Let's talk about fascism

[richard_daily]

Successive UK governments have established that raising tax rates for higher earners is actually counterproductive because it reduces the income to the government.

The higher the tax rate, the more people will do, or pay others to, to manage their tax affairs to avoid the highest rate.

You mean like fascist-ass Maggie?

 

[coachdb18]

Are you worried that you'll ever be rich?

Be honest.

By the standard measures, I'm well off. And I would ask you, are you envious of the wealth of others because you know you aren't now, nor will you ever be able to make yourself rich, other than by government confiscation? Be honest.

 

[doctor_insanus]

The Greatest Generation paid their goddamn taxes, and I don't think they'd put up with all this "collectivist" bullshit.

It's just another tired conservative talking point that has no basis in reality, but has somehow become accepted as gospel by the knuckle-draggers.

 

[richard_daily]

By the standard measures, I'm well off. And I would ask you, are you envious of the wealth of others because you know you aren't now, nor will you ever be able to make yourself rich, other than by government confiscation? Be honest.

"Well off" isn't rich.

Do you dream that you'll someday be rich?

I'm not envious of anyone's wealth, but definitely not yours.

 

[richard_daily]

The Greatest Generation paid their goddamn taxes, and I don't think they'd put up with all this "collectivist" bullshit.

It's just another tired conservative talking point that has no basis in reality, but has somehow become accepted as gospel by the knuckle-draggers.

They'll believe and regurgitate whatever it is that they're told.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Nope, and nope.

How do you reconcile being left and anarchist then?

How do you peruse your equity and fairness, your utopian society without the force of government to do it?

No UHC, no public education, no racist Affirmative Action, no more redistribution of wealth and social services.

How? If you think that shit will happen under a system of anarchy you're fucking delusional. You know what will FLOURISH though? Capitalism....pure and ruthless.

You posted the correct definition, but then added your own definition on top of it, that has nothing to do with the reality of the original definition.

There is no original, there is just the definition and I didn't add anything to it.

"Well off" isn't rich.

Do you dream that you'll someday be rich?

What do you consider rich??

 

[coachdb18]

"Well off" isn't rich.

Do you dream that you'll someday be rich?

I'm not envious of anyone's wealth, but definitely not yours.

You've lost one more person to argue with, which seems to be all you're really interested in.... *IGNORE*

 

[richard_daily]

How do you reconcile being left and anarchist then?

I don't have to reconcile anything. You just added a bunch of crap to the end of the definition, that wasn't a part of the definition.

 

[richard_daily]

You've lost one more person to argue with, which seems to be all you're really interested in.... *IGNORE*

You've been on ignore for... I have no idea how long. You're not of consequence to me, or anyone else for that matter.

I would assume I added you either because you're boring, racist, stupid, or a combo of the three.

 

[richard_daily]

What do you consider rich??

Someone who can buy a law, government office, or election under a capitalist system. You ain't that.

 

[Que]

Someone who can buy a law, government office, or election under a capitalist system. You ain't that.

How do you "buy" an election? I am familiar with the long-standing practice of Democrats handing out walking around money in exchange for church buses full of voters but that's not even exactly buying individual votes.

Hillary outspent Trump two to one and still lost. If she'd outspent him four to one would she been able to buy the election?

 

[richard_daily]

How do you "buy" an election? I am familiar with the long-standing practice of Democrats handing out walking around money in exchange for church buses full of voters but that's not even exactly buying individual votes.

Hillary outspent Trump two to one and still lost. If she'd outspent him four to one would she been able to buy the election?

You buy an election with money. Citizens United helped to solidify that.

Clinton was her own worst enemy, and a horrible candidate. The only way Trump could have won, is against her. The Democrats have to take ownership for their responsibility in creating this mess.

 

[JohnnySavage]

The Greatest Generation paid their goddamn taxes, and I don't think they'd put up with all this "collectivist" bullshit.

It's just another tired conservative talking point that has no basis in reality, but has somehow become accepted as gospel by the knuckle-draggers.

The Greatest Generation ran up bills that will never be repaid, and which will stunt the economic growth of their grandchildren and great-grandchildren.

 

[Que]

You buy an election with money. Citizens United helped to solidify that.

Clinton was her own worst enemy, and a horrible candidate. The only way Trump could have won, is against her. The Democrats have to take ownership for their responsibility in creating this mess.

So, you're saying you can only buy an election with money if you have a good candidate with a message that resonates with actual non russian-speaking voters?

 

[water505]

You've been on ignore for... I have no idea how long. You're not of consequence to me, or anyone else for that matter.

I would assume I added you either because you're boring, racist, stupid, or a combo of the three.

He's on ignore, but you quote him.

Jesus, dude. You're getting worse by the minute.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Someone who can buy a law, government office, or election under a capitalist system. You ain't that.

I am on the state/county level.

I'm not on the federal level.....yet.

I don't have to reconcile anything. You just added a bunch of crap to the end of the definition, that wasn't a part of the definition.

I didn't add anything I asked you a question now quit side stepping and either own up to your bullshitting or take that question and make me eat it.

If anarchism is left wing how do you reconcile it's total rejection of any government control, the core of left wing ideology??

 

[hsnh]

Fascism, racism,
Islamophobia, homophobia.
And the list goes on.

Notice that there are no such terms as white- ophobia or Christiano- phobia?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Fascism, racism,
Islamophobia, homophobia.
And the list goes on.

Notice that there are no such terms as white- ophobia or Christiano- phobia?

That's called "progress".

 

[Rightguide]

Hahaha, so true:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHuMJQtXUAAe1HY.jpg

 

[Freudian_Slit]

Fascism, racism,
Islamophobia, homophobia.
And the list goes on.

Notice that there are no such terms as white- ophobia or Christiano- phobia?

Gee, I wonder why that is.

 

[richard_daily]

I am on the state/county level.

I'm not on the federal level.....yet.



I didn't add anything I asked you a question now quit side stepping and either own up to your bullshitting or take that question and make me eat it.

If anarchism is left wing how do you reconcile it's total rejection of any government control, the core of left wing ideology??

You added this:

Anarchism is social capitalism, free market social responsibility, it is the ULTIMATE right wing " fuck you I got mine" social structure. No government controls.

Right wing authoritarianism disagrees with you. Right wing totalitarianism disagrees with you. Right wing fascism disagrees with you. Trump disagrees with you. Every republican in congress disagrees with you.

Here's the problem. You've got your definitions all screwed up, because you're making them up.

Anarchism is NOT free market capitalism. Not in any way. Anarchism is not (nor has it ever been) a right wing construct. Read up on what it is. There's a reason why anarchists and socialists tend to march together, stand together, and work together. Your attempts to co-opt are just that... attempts to steal a history that aint yours.

Here's some actual anarchism for you... tell me how it jels with your free market capitalism fantasies.

https://medium.com/anarchist-faq/a-1-3-d47bb6fcd7f1

http://www.spunk.org/texts/intro/faq/sp001547/secA1.html

https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Anarchist_FAQ/What_is_Anarchism?/1.3

http://www.anarchism.net/anarchism_commongoalofanarchism.htm

http://news.infoshop.org/content/reasons-anarchism

 

[BotanyBoy]

You added this:

Not to the definition.

Right wing authoritarianism disagrees with you. Right wing totalitarianism disagrees with you. Right wing fascism disagrees with you.

No they don't...none of those things are capitalist.

Trump disagrees with you. Every republican in congress disagrees with you.

Trump isn't RW and neither are most Republicans.

Paul agrees.

Anarchism is NOT free market capitalism. Not in any way. Anarchism is not (nor has it ever been) a right wing construct.

If it's left then answer the question, how do you reconcile the lefts thirst for total government domination over the means and the anarchist total rejection of a government in the first place?

How is no government control over the means anything but free market capitalism?



Left =government control over the means.

A= anarchy...no government.

R = free market Capitalism, no government control over the means.

Explain that shit and I'll come to your side of things.

 

[richard_daily]

Not to the definition.

You added it immidiately after, as if it was a qualifier. You don't understand the definition then... fair?

No they don't...none of those things are capitalist.

I didn't say capitalst... I said right wing. Please don't misquote me.

Trump isn't RW and neither are most Republicans.

Paul agrees.

He is an anarchist? Post proof.

If it's left then answer the question, how do you reconcile the lefts thirst for total government domination over the means and the anarchist total rejection of a government in the first place?

How is no government control over the means anything but free market capitalism?

The issue is that you're confused... You equate left with government, when the truth is, reality is a lot more complicated than you understand.

There are plenty on the left (myself being one of them) who are not statists, and who do not believe in big government, nor have ever believed in big government.

Left =government control over the means.

A= anarchy...no government.

R = free market Capitalism, no government control over the means.

Wrong, wrong, and wrong. Nowhere will you find these definitions lining up with what you think they do.

Again, you're using terms incorrectly. Read up on this stuff... Your failure to do so is why you're at the place where you're at. I note you failed to respond to the articles I posted... Let me know once you've gotten a chance to look through, and then again try to tell me how any of that shows anarchism being right wing.

 

[BotanyBoy]

The closest thing in your links to try and reconcile the two is...

LIBERTARIAN SOCIALISM: a social system which believes in freedom of action and thought and free will, in which the producers possess both political power and the means of producing and distributing goods.

https://medium.com/anarchist-faq/a-1-3-d47bb6fcd7f1


Sounds like the ULTIMATE in free market capitalism to me....

 

[richard_daily]

The closest thing in your links to try and reconcile the two is...

LIBERTARIAN SOCIALISM: a social system which believes in freedom of action and thought and free will, in which the producers possess both political power and the means of producing and distributing goods.

https://medium.com/anarchist-faq/a-1-3-d47bb6fcd7f1


Sounds like the ULTIMATE in free market capitalism to me....

It's not... Read the entire article. You see the word "libertarian" and you think it means something it doesn't, just like when you read "national socialist" you think it means something it doesn't.