You can no longer get an abortion as of week 20

[DMBFFF]

I'll respond to the other points when I'm not on a phone. But 're this:
"Sad to read about the miscarriage.

......

I think you've misread the post. The pregnancy wasn't a result of not taking precautions - it was an IVF conception.
They didn't miscarry - the baby died during the birth.

Oops: my error. Sorry.

And they weren't facing the possibility of raising a handicapped child - it was 'incompatible with life'. There was next to no chance of her surviving beyond a week or two.

I overlooked that too a bit, though my argument stands [I'm somewhat sure of]; and I'd likely give a women a pass in that event, too.

Again, I got to give these pages a better read—as adrina indicated; but it will likely be later.

Also, you seem to be implying it's the woman's job to 'take precautions'. You do understand how pregnancy happens?

Kind of. Aside from rape, a woman, or a man, is responsible for what happens in sex, at least in the practical sense. As a woman you likely know that more than I. You have a far far greater interest in your own health and happiness than any man—save maybe some close male relatives or a very good male SO (or maybe SOs). Unless you refrain from procreative sex, practice near 100% effective contraception, have a half a million in the bank account, or the certainty that the man impregnating you is very loyal and capable, or live in a country that'd treat your pregnancy and raising children as something that itself worthy of, say, +60% PCI pay, or a decent combination of these, what happens to you is essentially your responsibility.




(If I was a woman, I'd be such a feminist. I'd likely live in my feminist-dream-world-of-sorts.)

 

[KimGordon67]

Kind of. Aside from rape, a woman, or a man, is responsible for what happens in sex, at least in the practical sense. As a woman you likely know that more than I. You have a far far greater interest in your own health and happiness than any man—save maybe some close male relatives or a very good male SO (or maybe SOs). Unless you refrain from procreative sex, practice near 100% effective contraception, have a half a million in the bank account, or the certainty that the man impregnating you is very loyal and capable, or live in a country that'd treat your pregnancy and raising children as something that itself worthy of, say, +60% PCI pay, or a decent combination of these, what happens to you is essentially your responsibility.




(If I was a woman, I'd be such a feminist. I'd likely live in my feminist-dream-world-of-sorts.)

I sincerely hope you don't raise any male hetero kids if that's your attitude.

 

[DMBFFF]

I sincerely hope you don't raise any male hetero kids if that's your attitude.

Lol.

Het boys would profit from much of that instruction too. They too can get infections and hassled by paternity suits.

 

[KimGordon67]

Lol.

Het boys would profit from much of that instruction too. They too can get infections and hassled by paternity suits.

'Hassled by paternity suits' - that's why we should be teaching young men to take responsibility for contraception. Because DNA testing? Good grief.

 

[DMBFFF]

'Hassled by paternity suits' - that's why we should be teaching young men to take responsibility for contraception. Because DNA testing? Good grief.

What would you rather have:

a society that teaches girls/young women that they are responsible for their own health and happiness and that they should employ measures to insure such;

or that women are essentially helpless feckless victims that need to be covered should they ignore biological realities and get pregnant?

Perhaps ideally a society should have both—the latter being in a description less sarcastic than I just gave, but if you were to err on one side, what would you choose?

 

[KimGordon67]

What would you rather have:

a society that teaches girls/young women that they are responsible for their own health and happiness and that they should employ measures to insure such;

or that women are essentially helpless feckless victims that need to be covered should they ignore biological realities and get pregnant?

Perhaps ideally a society should have both—the latter being in a description less sarcastic than I just gave, but if you were to err on one side, what would you choose?

How is teaching boys to take responsibility for contraception out if concern for everyone's wellbeing making girls helpless victims?

 

[BotanyBoy]

I sincerely hope you don't raise any male hetero kids if that's your attitude.

Especially if they are white and cis scum Nazis!!!

'Hassled by paternity suits' - that's why we should be teaching young men to take responsibility for contraception. Because DNA testing? Good grief.

No because it ruins their lives you fucking retard.

How is teaching boys to take responsibility for contraception out if concern for everyone's wellbeing making girls helpless victims?

Because in most modern 1st world nations where women have equal rights it's ultimately the females responsibility to no get pregnant.

She has 100% total legal authority and control, the buck stops with her, SHE is the boss of reproduction....not dad.

That authority comes with responsibility.

 

[DMBFFF]

How is teaching boys to take responsibility for contraception out if concern for everyone's wellbeing making girls helpless victims?

Yeah, that'd be nice.

 

[KimGordon67]

Yeah, that'd be nice.

Yet you're suggesting that men don't have to worry because they don't get pregnant ... except for pesky paternity suits?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yet you're suggesting that men don't have to worry because they don't get pregnant ... except for pesky paternity suits?

That is the cold fuckin' reality of the world....thanks feminism, youz the best.

 

[DMBFFF]

Yet you're suggesting that men don't have to worry because they don't get pregnant ... except for pesky paternity suits?

Kinda.

It's the woman left holding the bag, who gets the morning sickness, who has to decide whether or not to get an abortion—if she could even get one depending on her circumstances—and if she can't or won't for some reason or other have to be somewhat disabled for nine months, and then decide whether to keep the baby or not.

The guy: he might be fucking some other, less clingy woman—maybe making her pregnant too;. probably while some lonely but more personally conservative less extroverted guy goes to porn.

 

[Hypoxia]

How is teaching boys to take responsibility for contraception out if concern for everyone's wellbeing making girls helpless victims?

Boys, being filthy animals, will always respond to attempts at taming with rebellion, and inflict their porcine sexual aggression on hapless innocent girls. Those sissified boys who ARE socialized (potty trained) will be cuckolded and humiliated by untamed bulls whose mighty DNA will flow.

That seems a fairly standard right-wing view of social education. This seems like a common viewpoint too:

* Post-partum human males are persons. Macho males are full persons. Sissy / liberal males are half-persons, same as females.
* Post-partum human females are nominally half-persons. When pregnant, they become quarter-persons, inferior to a fetus.
* A fetus, when detected (if ever), is nominally a half-person, but after a couple weeks becomes a three-quarters-person, superior to its mother.
* Pre-partum, an embryo is sacred. Post-partum, the little bastard and its parents are on their own. Only the strong survive.
* Post-partum, a male infant becomes a person and a female becomes a half-person till she's impregnated, when she's demoted.
* Full-person males can do whatever the fuck they want. Inferior sissy-males and females must follow their orders. Strength rules.
* Full-person males are owners. All others are property. Kneel, slave.

 

[KimGordon67]

Kinda.

It's the woman left holding the bag, who gets the morning sickness, who has to decide whether or not to get an abortion—if she could even get one depending on her circumstances—and if she can't or won't for some reason or other have to be somewhat disabled for nine months, and then decide whether to keep the baby or not.

The guy: he might be fucking some other, less clingy woman—maybe making her pregnant too;. probably while some lonely but more personally conservative less extroverted guy goes to porn.

I give up. I'm just glad I'm raising my male child with a better attitude than that.

 

[KimGordon67]

Boys, being filthy animals, will always respond to attempts at taming with rebellion, and inflict their porcine sexual aggression on hapless innocent girls. Those sissified boys who ARE socialized (potty trained) will be cuckolded and humiliated by untamed bulls whose mighty DNA will flow.

That seems a fairly standard right-wing view of social education. This seems like a common viewpoint too:

* Post-partum human males are persons. Macho males are full persons. Sissy / liberal males are half-persons, same as females.
* Post-partum human females are nominally half-persons. When pregnant, they become quarter-persons, inferior to a fetus.
* A fetus, when detected (if ever), is nominally a half-person, but after a couple weeks becomes a three-quarters-person, superior to its mother.
* Pre-partum, an embryo is sacred. Post-partum, the little bastard and its parents are on their own. Only the strong survive.
* Post-partum, a male infant becomes a person and a female becomes a half-person till she's impregnated, when she's demoted.
* Full-person males can do whatever the fuck they want. Inferior sissy-males and females must follow their orders. Strength rules.
* Full-person males are owners. All others are property. Kneel, slave.

Lol. Except you forgot that it's only the female parent responsible for the post-partum spawn. Or at least, until someone invented annoying paternity suits.

 

[DMBFFF]

I give up. I'm just glad I'm raising my male child with a better attitude than that.

I'm sure you are.

If he's straight (as if such mattered) I hope he makes all women—and himself—can't forget that—very happy—including, and perhaps especially, his mother.








Hypoxia, where do I fit in those designations?

I like CMNF, maledom (light stuff), porn with barefoot women.

As you probably figured, I'm not into incest (I don't even masturbate to women with my mother's name or birthday), gang-bangs, or anal with women—I regard scenes of such a turn-off. I try not to fantasize about women I've meet IRL—however attractive. Suffice to say, I've gotten none pregnant. I dislike Trump and his politics. I think Hillary Clinton is attractive, though politically Jill Stein is more so.

I never saw a complete NFL game ever in my life and find sports boring, even more so than most heavy metal. My fave music while I've been posting here has been Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith - Ears (Full Album) 38:43, particularly [00:00] First Flight—gets good after 2:46, [17:07] Rare Things Grow, [20:56] Arthropoda. and [27:34] Existence In The Unfurling; Studio Science: Suzanne Ciani on the Buchla, 50:00 Donald Buchla was working on the buchla around when Moog was happening. As it's long, it's best as background. it gets good around 28:00; and as of last night, Soul Coughing- Screenwriter's Blues.




I'm interested in veganism, most of my meat is freegan—it's perhaps been years since I've purchased chicken, and when a wasp flies in my room, I tend to let it buzz around or try to use a glass to get it out of my place with minimal injury to it. Geography helps—I ain't saying—but I don't use insecticides. I much prefer soft drinks to beer. I'd rather read 10 pages of Gloria Steinem than Rush Limbaugh.

I tend to be a gun supporter—call me a gun liberal, though I have none myself, nor would associate with many of gun supporters. I dislike the NRA.

What kind of sissy or macho monster would you consider me?


Oh, and I, like I figure many here, can't currently edit my profile page.

 

[ToucheAmore]

Rep. Tim Murphy resigns from Congress after allegedly asking woman to have abortion​

Rep. Tim Murphy said Thursday that he will resign from Congress this month, a day after the eight-term Pennsylvania Republican announced that he would not seek reelection amid a personal scandal.

“Upon further discussion with my family, I have made the decision to resign my position” effective Oct. 21, Murphy wrote in a letter to House Speaker Paul D. Ryan. “I am grateful for the opportunity to have served the people of southwestern Pennsylvania and to have worked with the talented and dedicated men and women of the United States Congress.”

In a statement Thursday, Ryan (R-Wis.) thanked Murphy “for his many years of tireless work on mental health issues here in Congress and his service to the country as a naval reserve officer.”

Murphy’s decision to resign within weeks, rather than remain in Congress for an additional 15 months, came amid pressure from top Republican leaders to remove himself as a distraction as the GOP House tackles a major tax bill and other legislative priorities.

“I’ve spoken with Tim quite a bit the last couple of days,” Ryan said at a news conference shortly before Murphy’s resignation was announced. “I think it’s appropriate that he moves on to the next chapter of his life. And I think he agrees with that.”

 

[KimGordon67]

I'm sure you are.

If he's straight (as if such mattered) I hope he makes all women—and himself—can't forget that—very happy—including, and perhaps especially, his mother.








Hypoxia, where do I fit in those designations?

I like CMNF, maledom (light stuff), porn with barefoot women.

As you probably figured, I'm not into incest (I don't even masturbate to women with my mother's name or birthday), gang-bangs, or anal with women—I regard scenes of such a turn-off. I try not to fantasize about women I've meet IRL—however attractive. Suffice to say, I've gotten none pregnant. I dislike Trump and his politics. I think Hillary Clinton is attractive, though politically Jill Stein is more so.

I never saw a complete NFL game ever in my life and find sports boring, even more so than most heavy metal. My fave music while I've been posting here has been Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith - Ears (Full Album) 38:43, particularly [00:00] First Flight—gets good after 2:46, [17:07] Rare Things Grow, [20:56] Arthropoda. and [27:34] Existence In The Unfurling; Studio Science: Suzanne Ciani on the Buchla, 50:00 Donald Buchla was working on the buchla around when Moog was happening. As it's long, it's best as background. it gets good around 28:00; and as of last night, Soul Coughing- Screenwriter's Blues.




I'm interested in veganism, most of my meat is freegan—it's perhaps been years since I've purchased chicken, and when a wasp flies in my room, I tend to let it buzz around or try to use a glass to get it out of my place with minimal injury to it. Geography helps—I ain't saying—but I don't use insecticides. I much prefer soft drinks to beer. I'd rather read 10 pages of Gloria Steinem than Rush Limbaugh.

I tend to be a gun supporter—call me a gun liberal, though I have none myself, nor would associate with many of gun supporters. I dislike the NRA.

What kind of sissy or macho monster would you consider me?


Oh, and I, like I figure many here, can't currently edit my profile page.

Wow. Amazing though it may seem, H's post wasn't all about you, and neither was the thread nor subsequent discussion.

 

[DMBFFF]

I can be such an attention whore.






This should be my 296th post.

Kaitlyn Aurelia Smith - Arthropoda
3:38

Published on Apr 7, 2016

Director | Dancer: Melanie Lane (https://melanielane.info)
DOP | Editing: Jesper Berg (http://jesperberg.se)
Camera assistant: Laimonis Brakss

Kaitlyn’s invitation to create and choreograph a video for her track ‘Arthropoda’ was an exciting proposal. Her sound encompasses a unique blend of organic texture, within a futuristic realm which very much resonated with my interest in the potential for dance to take on those qualities and translate them into a visual narrative.

The concept for the video was to interpret Kaitlyn’s other-wordly, sonic universe by combining dance with a sculptural, architectural environment. The video embarks upon a surreal narrative that merges nature vs urban, reality vs sci-fi, future vs present. The Stapelbäddsparken (skate park) in Malmö, Sweden was the perfect location, offering a vast concrete landscape of urban textures and elegant, majestic lines that echo our natural world.

The choreography is about the excavation of space - designing movement in space to unearth something unique, playful and supernatural. The dance style developed its own anomalous language, exclusively inspired by Kaitlyn’s sound. The image of the dancer is between human and mythical - borrowing from fluid contemporary movement to more graphic, insect-like choreography.
The video for ‘Anthropoda’ is a universal story that embodies the curiosity and desire of human nature to transcend our environment. It magnifies texture and form whilst proposing the existence of otherness.
Through the dance between a human body and an urban space, the film celebrates the playfulness, power and beauty embedded in Kaitlyn’s sonic universe.

http://vevo.ly/wq5D3i


Looks like a woman dancing kind of tai chi style in a skateboard park: okay, but I love this music.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

How is teaching boys to take responsibility for contraception out if concern for everyone's wellbeing making girls helpless victims?

Because it's her body.

The conversation here has centered on how no one should be allowed to tell a woman what she can do with her body.

I've even been told many times in the past that I have zero to say upon the topic because it will never happen to me, so my plea is for a little bit of consistency...

 

[KimGordon67]

Because it's her body.

The conversation here has centered on how no one should be allowed to tell a woman what she can do with her body.

I've even been told many times in the past that I have zero to say upon the topic because it will never happen to me, so my plea is for a little bit of consistency...

I'm not suggesting boys learn to tell women what to do with their bodies. I'm suggesting they take some responsibility for their part in the conception process. I can't imagine a guy rocking up for agreed upon sex with a condom in hand and a woman interpreting that as him telling her what do with her body.
You'll no doubt find some way that it is, but here in the real world, the women go 'hallelujah - I'm not going to have argue with this one!'

 

[KimGordon67]

Challenge:. Find actual cases of 20 week or after abortions that were not for fetal abnormalities or medical reasons.

That's what this entire BS hinges on - the stupid assumption that women are seeking abortions for reasons other than fetal abnormality or medical threat to the mother after 20 weeks.

I've given citations, references and personal stories of women in the position of needing an abortion after 20 weeks that supports what I am saying.

Find, cite and post examples of American women seeking abortions past 20 weeks for reasons of "convenience".

Otherwise, you're full of shit and beyond contempt.

So, it's notable that no one actually presented evidence of a swathe of post-20-week 'abortions of convenience'.

 

[KimGordon67]

Wrong conclusion.

20 weeks is for voluntary abortions of convenience, not medical conditions.

I would like to point out that anecdotal evidence is what people like to do when they want to personalize the discussion so that any rebuttal is deemed a personal attack.

You've consistently not answered my question regarding the conditions the legislation relates to. The article linked in the OP gives these conditions "...except in cases of rape, incest, or a threat to the life of the mother". A 'threat to life the mother' is not the same as 'medical conditions'. In the example I provided, there was no more threat to the life of the mother than in any other pregnancy. As far as I can gather, under this law, she would have had to carry the pregnancy to term.

If the interpretation of the law given in the article is wrong, please let me know.

 

[adrina]

Challenge:. Find actual cases of 20 week or after abortions that were not for fetal abnormalities or medical reasons.

That's what this entire BS hinges on - the stupid assumption that women are seeking abortions for reasons other than fetal abnormality or medical threat to the mother after 20 weeks.

I've given citations, references and personal stories of women in the position of needing an abortion after 20 weeks that supports what I am saying.

Find, cite and post examples of American women seeking abortions past 20 weeks for reasons of "convenience".

Otherwise, you're full of shit and beyond contempt.

So, it's notable that no one actually presented evidence of a swathe of post-20-week 'abortions of convenience'.

Nary a one. However I'll repost it here again. Just to re-issue the invitation.

 

[ToucheAmore]

every single "man" that's railed against abortion has either asked a girl to get one, had a girl get one, or a girl had one without telling them.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

I wonder if the bill has provisions for defects, etc.

Not yet, but there is this:

“(2) PROHIBITION ON PERFORMANCE OF CERTAIN ABORTIONS.—

“(A) GENERALLY FOR UNBORN CHILDREN 20 WEEKS OR OLDER.—Except as provided in subparagraph (B), the abortion shall not be performed or attempted, if the probable post-fertilization age, as determined under paragraph (1), of the unborn child is 20 weeks or greater.

“(B) EXCEPTIONS.—Subparagraph (A) does not apply if—

“(i) in reasonable medical judgment, the abortion is necessary to save the life of a pregnant woman whose life is endangered by a physical disorder, physical illness, or physical injury, including a life-endangering physical condition caused by or arising from the pregnancy itself, but not including psychological or emotional conditions;

“(ii) the pregnancy is the result of rape against an adult woman, and at least 48 hours prior to the abortion—

“(I) she has obtained counseling for the rape; or

“(II) she has obtained medical treatment for the rape or an injury related to the rape; or

“(iii) the pregnancy is a result of rape against a minor or incest against a minor, and the rape or incest has been reported at any time prior to the abortion to either—

“(I) a government agency legally authorized to act on reports of child abuse; or

“(II) a law enforcement agency.

https://www.congress.gov/bill/115th-congress/house-bill/36/text

As I've said here many times, the Supreme Court in affirming a woman's right to an abortion in Roe, also affirmed the state's legitimate right in protecting the potential right to life of the unborn. People tend to forget or ignore that, if, in fact, they ever knew.

The woman's right is given emphasis the earlier in gestation the abortion is desired. The state's interest predominates in the later stages. The Supreme Court has never definitively drawn that line in the sand.

If abortion opponents have any hope that this bill will draw that line and further survive Supreme Court review, they had best include other reasonable exceptions like the one cited above and already in the bill.