The American Taliban/Isis.

[LadyFunkenstein]

The entire premise of your post was based on your examples which were either inaccurate, untrue or at best gross exaggerations that don't reflect life in the US. Therefore, your conclusion that this is some kind of Year Zero doesn't work.

What more do you want me to say?

Nothing. Carry on.

 

[water505]

You didn't answer my question. How are those lyrics "hate speech", by any definition?

Or are you just making things up again?

I'm thinking about started a thread asking people to point out every time you accuse someone of things you yourself are guilty of.

You could be elected to the Lit Hall of Fame.

 

[water505]

This is hate speech. Were "The Band" Nazi sympathizers? Sounds like it. BAN THEM! Burn the records!

Joan Baez recorded it too! There's a Nazi if there ever was one. Right, Dick?

 

[water505]

How are those lyrics "hate speech"? Slow down and think before you type... rather than just posting meaningless things.

They're hate speech because they're offensive. To somebody.

 

[zipman]

If you people weren't such concrete thinkers, you would be able to engage in a real debate.
And if squashing any potentially uncomfortable discussion right from the start, wasn't your true agenda.

LOL, sure it is, skid mark.

Go ahead, and debate then. I'm not stopping you or her. I simply weighed in and stated that her examples do not support her premise.

 

[hsnh]

I don't think the Isis comparison works for a few of the reasons already stated on this thread.

I believe what we are actually witnessing is a US Year Zero.

In Cambodia, Pol Pot attempted to fulfill Marx's communist ideal state via social engineering. Year Zero gave the Cambodians total control of language (US: corporations must use preferred pronouns or face fines steep enough to put them out of business), destruction of statues and other relics of the past (US: confederate statues), the end of private property (US: redefining marriage to be about "love" and not a partnership in which property is passed down to legitimate heirs) and science/rational thought (US: chromosomes have nothing to do with whether you are a male or female) and course no free speech (US: Google "Hate speech" and it will auto fill the phrase "Hate speech is not free speech" something echoed on social media by useful idiots)

Those who did not comply were met with violence or death (US: "punch a nazi" while in disguise is celebrated as the right thing to do for better good of all... This will escalate quickly) or will be sent to re-education camps* (US: sensitivity training at work, forced public apologies).

In every US example I have given, my left leaning friends (95% of my friends) cheer these things as being necessary to rid the country of "hate" - I suppose they assume their definition of hate will always jibe with whomever dispenses judgment and manages the firing squad. When I say that is short sighted and that their promotion of removing civil liberties will certainly blow up in their faces one day, they question whether I am a nazi sympathizer.

Year Zero is in full swing. Thing is though, the US isnt going to get the end system the useful idiots want. There is a name for what this will be, but I can't remember. I am typing on my phone so I'll look it up later and perhaps write another post about it.

*edit note - I just remembered this started in Vietnam, but it being under a communist regime it still fits

Edited on accident this last time

We've been speculating as to where this is heading if the Progressives are not stood up to. In the more near term, Venezuela, in the longer term either LadyF's scenario or Rand's We, the Living.

If we stand up to them, civil unrest, rioting and possibly some sort of civil war with the military possibly stepping in to restore order which is why the Progressives should take a pause to think about it but they won't. Their gratification must be immediate.

.....

 

[hsnh]

And these:

Indeed. Also:
I'm inclined to suspect that the tearing down of statues and renaming streets en masse have also a covert motive, besides the overt, stated one.
-- The timing seems suspect, given that masses are already quite agitated.
Common sense in such situations says: postpone the decision until people cool down a bit, don't agitate them further.

But what are they trying to achieve?
This entire saga seems very strange and confusing to me.

US politics. Sow the seeds of discontent, water them with angry, even hateful rhetoric and give your shock troops an emotional target to hate, be it Trump, Evangelicals, or statues...

Why target a philosophy? Why have a debate? As one of our Founding Fathers warned (I believe in Federalist), as an argument for indirect power in the Senate (fuck the 17th Amendment, a pernicious evil ignorant of history), that popular elections are not won on reason, but on emotion and right now, what represents the leadership of the Left is doing everything it can to keep its base at an emotional boil, and this is why you get Antifa, violence (like that shooter) and the destruction of property.

You would think that leaders would want calm, debate, discussion and compromise, but sadly, you would be very wrong.

 

[RobDownSouth]

We've been speculating as to where this is heading if the Progressives are not stood up to. In the more near term, Venezuela, in the longer term either LadyF's scenario or Rand's We, the Living.

If we stand up to them, civil unrest, rioting and possibly some sort of civil war with the military possibly stepping in to restore order which is why the Progressives should take a pause to think about it but they won't. Their gratification must be immediate.

Still playing the Eternal Victim here, chief? "If only they were tolerant of our intolerance, this wouldn't have happened!"

You're finding out that actions have consequences in real life. You can posture all you like behind the safety of a computer keyboard, but in real life people are gonna shout your intolerant yap down. No alts in real life to bail you out, y'know? You want to shout shit from your soapbox, you better come heavily armed, as old age and gravity have deprived you of your famed spinning round kick.

You're on the losing side of history, you always have been.

 

[MGurkus]

If you people weren't such concrete thinkers, you would be able to engage in a real debate.
And if squashing any potentially uncomfortable discussion right from the start, wasn't your true agenda.

Shut up paki boi, your posts make you sound like a retard.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I can understand disagreeing with me. Still I regret that you won't write a post with actual counter thoughts, and posted this instead.

That's one of the main reasons that I put zipperhead on ignore.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

hsnh is catching on.


Remember my comments about the two sides?

Emotion verses reason? Are ISIS/Taliban/al Qeada the voices of reason?



Therein lies the simple and easy comparison between the Progressives and Socialists and the radicals of Islam, and note, when Christians and Jews are attacked, our Left has two modes, silence and the proclivity to speak up and defend Islam. In the case of Israel, they actually side with Arabs who are committed to genocide.

Zipperhead is yet another perfect example of why there can be no dialog and no compromise between the emotional, the Social Justice crowd who would have us become a Totalitarian (of course, they see it as soft, benevolent and not totalitarian, but some people need to be regulated, like business does, to protect them from themselves and to force them into the selfless "charity" that they know they other wise engage in) Society based upon the idea (age-old) that because our technology has evolved to a higher plateau, it implies that our culture has evolved to the point that we can solve the problem of human nature.

 

[toeskr]

The KKK was always right wing.

You know that, right?

Yes Dick, don't be bothered by facts. Too bothersome on the goose stepping of the new left.

 

[Sean]

Therein lies the simple and easy comparison between the Progressives and Socialists and the radicals of Islam, and note, when Christians and Jews are attacked, our Left has two modes, silence and the proclivity to speak up and defend Islam. In the case of Israel, they actually side with Arabs who are committed to genocide.

You have spent the last week defending this:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DHFNrBfXUAQzeGu.jpg

 

[Emerson40]

Unshakeable devotion.


Dude's support of Il Cheetolino is the stuff of Nora Roberts' novels.

 

[Ishmael]

I don't think the Isis comparison works for a few of the reasons already stated on this thread.

I believe what we are actually witnessing is a US Year Zero.

In Cambodia, Pol Pot attempted to fulfill Marx's communist ideal state via social engineering. Year Zero gave the Cambodians total control of language (US: corporations must use preferred pronouns or face fines steep enough to put them out of business), destruction of statues and other relics of the past (US: confederate statues), the end of private property (US: redefining marriage to be about "love" and not a partnership in which property is passed down to legitimate heirs) and science/rational thought (US: chromosomes have nothing to do with whether you are a male or female) and course no free speech (US: Google "Hate speech" and it will auto fill the phrase "Hate speech is not free speech" something echoed on social media by useful idiots)

Those who did not comply were met with violence or death (US: "punch a nazi" while in disguise is celebrated as the right thing to do for better good of all... This will escalate quickly) or will be sent to re-education camps* (US: sensitivity training at work, forced public apologies).

In every US example I have given, my left leaning friends (95% of my friends) cheer these things as being necessary to rid the country of "hate" - I suppose they assume their definition of hate will always jibe with whomever dispenses judgment and manages the firing squad. When I say that is short sighted and that their promotion of removing civil liberties will certainly blow up in their faces one day, they question whether I am a nazi sympathizer.

Year Zero is in full swing. Thing is though, the US isnt going to get the end system the useful idiots want. There is a name for what this will be, but I can't remember. I am typing on my phone so I'll look it up later and perhaps write another post about it.

*edit note - I just remembered this started in Vietnam, but it being under a communist regime it still fits

Edited on accident this last time

Hmmmm, I don't read this as a disagreement, more like an expansion.

Both Antifa and BLM have as their goals the establishment of a totalitarian state with them deciding who will receive the largess of the state and which groups will be punished/sanctioned.

Ironically those are the exact same goals that the Fascists, KKK, and others on the radical right have.

They differ in only who's going to get the largess and who's going to get fucked over.

Ishmael

 

[Ramone45]

Joan Baez recorded it too! There's a Nazi if there ever was one. Right, Dick?

Dude, the song glorifies the Confederate South and the proud and brave young men who fought for her. It's every bit as hateful as those statues. Joan must be a Nazi.

 

[Ramone45]

I use to think hypocrisy was the most offensive quality of the antifa/SJW/Snowflakes, but now, I think it's their ignorance. A man named Robert Lee is kicked off a sports broadcast? Please tell me this is fake news.
I find it funny how the revisionists can look back on their icons and somhow excuse their actions. Artists such as Levon Helm and Joan Baez basically said the same thing as Donald Trump. There were good people on both sides. Helm and Baez were intelligent, tolerant and compassionate. True liberals, not like the snowflakes who are totalitarians.
The snowflakes won't condemn Baez or Helm because they are intellectually dishonest and hypocrites.

 

[Rightguide]

Hmmmm, I don't read this as a disagreement, more like an expansion.

Both Antifa and BLM have as their goals the establishment of a totalitarian state with them deciding who will receive the largess of the state and which groups will be punished/sanctioned.

Ironically those are the exact same goals that the Fascists, KKK, and others on the radical right have.

They differ in only who's going to get the largess and who's going to get fucked over.

Ishmael

At their root are the same people who were behind the Vietnam War demonstrations, Communist radicals and Anarchists. Communist Party activists, field operatives, sympathizers, and other provocateurs, are behind the violence from the left. Remember Alinsky was a Communist.

Watched a news video on Twitter last night from Phoenix where an Antifa member admitted to being a Communist Party functionary but you'll see that clip nowhere on national network or cable news. It's the unmentionable snake in the Democrat tent.

Because so many people still know and understand the dangers of Communism and its threat to freedom the Democrats want to conceal their ever strengthening ties to their totalitarianism and never mention its name.

 

[richard_daily]

Both Antifa and BLM have as their goals the establishment of a totalitarian state with them deciding who will receive the largess of the state and which groups will be punished/sanctioned.

Total bullshit.

Where have they done that?

Post your proof.

 

[Ramone45]

So apparently they draped the statue of Lee in black fabric in clear anticipation of its removal, tonight I would guess. Why does this generation feel they have the authority to remove theses statues? Why did previous generations abide the statues? Were the previous generations evil, ignorant, misguided? Why does this generation feel they are right? How do they know how subsequent generations will feel? Attitudes change. The next generation might have a better understanding. The monuments will never be reconstructed. This generation is taking on an audacious responsibility. How will they be viewed in the context of time? Additionally, do they realize their actions change nothing. In fact they've likely made things worse for at least another generation. This generation won't experience the full implications of their actions, positive or negative.
Why now?
Why has the war on poverty failed?
Why did the Civil Rights movement fail?
How will removing statues make a difference when sixty years of efforts couldn't?

 

[richard_daily]

So apparently they draped the statue of Lee in black fabric in clear anticipation of its removal, tonight I would guess. Why does this generation feel they have the authority to remove theses statues? Why did previous generations abide the statues? Were the previous generations evil, ignorant, misguided? Why does this generation feel they are right? How do they know how subsequent generations will feel? Attitudes change. The next generation might have a better understanding. The monuments will never be reconstructed. This generation is taking on an audacious responsibility. How will they be viewed in the context of time? Additionally, do they realize their actions change nothing. In fact they've likely made things worse for at least another generation. This generation won't experience the full implications of their actions, positive or negative.
Why now?
Why has the war on poverty failed?
Why did the Civil Rights movement fail?
How will removing statues make a difference when sixty years of efforts couldn't?

Most of these statues didn't get put into place until 75 years or more after the civil war had ended. Why did THAT generation feel that they had the right to erect them in the first place?

 

[Aglaopheme]

Is he admiring that the civil rights movement still has a long way to go? Brava!

Were they ignorant and misguided? Yes.

 

[Aglaopheme]

The entire premise of your post was based on your examples which were either inaccurate, untrue or at best gross exaggerations that don't reflect life in the US. Therefore, your conclusion that this is some kind of Year Zero doesn't work.

What more do you want me to say?

Don't bother trying. I did that once until she finally admitted I would never understand what she was seeking my opinion on because it was all in her head.

 

[zipman]

Don't bother trying. I did that once until she finally admitted I would never understand what she was seeking my opinion on because it was all in her head.

LOL, I didn't bother.

It's kind of funny, someone throws out a premise and uses bad examples. When I point out that they are bad examples, I get castigated for not debating.

Too funny.

 

[richard_daily]

LOL, I didn't bother.

It's kind of funny, someone throws out a premise and uses bad examples. When I point out that they are bad examples, I get castigated for not debating.

Too funny.

Lots of these people are learning how to argue the alt-right way...

Just make shit up over and over and over until people get frustrated and walk away from you for debating like a 6 year old... then declare victory.