The French Revolution; Good or Bad

[EternalFantasies]

Please Delete

Plz Delete.

 

[Lancecastor]

Can you do this with all your posts?

Signed
Everyone

 

[EternalFantasies]

Is it because I called ur province shitty, or because i questioned the french revolution.

Coz both mean ur french.

We all know how bad that is.

 

[adrina]

The French do wonderful things with flour, butter and eggs.

 

[Hypoxia]

The French do wonderful things with flour, butter and eggs.

And they have a way of cutting loaves of bread. The bread: fresh, but not too fresh. The knife: sharp, but not too sharp. The cut: clean, but not too clean. I needn't describe the butter, hey?

 

[thør]

The French do wonderful things with flour, butter and eggs.

But they were shit cooks until taught by the Italians.

 

[EternalFantasies]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tc78yPv_ztM

 

[Hypoxia]

French Revolution: good.

"Down with all the ruling class!
Throw all the generals out on their ass!"​

Most revolutions: eh

"Meet the new boss
Same as the old boss"​

Whaddaya do with the revolutionaries AFTER the revolution?

 

[oggbashan]

...

Whaddaya do with the revolutionaries AFTER the revolution?

The French guillotined them, like they did for the aristos and the priests.

The bourgeousie won in the end - they always do.

 

[adrina]

And they have a way of cutting loaves of bread. The bread: fresh, but not too fresh. The knife: sharp, but not too sharp. The cut: clean, but not too clean. I needn't describe the butter, hey?

Is this the Goldilocks and the Three Bears of cookery?

But they were shit cooks until taught by the Italians.

Everyone has to learn from somewhere. I'd say they did their teachers more than just one better.

 

[Hypoxia]

Is this the Goldilocks and the Three Bears of cookery?

With a topless Vietnamese girl, yes.

(cf DIVA)

 

[Lancecastor]

Is it because I called ur province shitty, or because i questioned the french revolution.

Coz both mean ur french.

We all know how bad that is.

Quoi?

 

[Que]

Quoi?

¿Que?

 

[adrina]

With a topless Vietnamese girl, yes.

(cf DIVA)

Fusion cuisine, I see.

 

[Emerson40]

Plz Delete.

Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité ou La Mort.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Liberté, Égalité, Fraternité ou La Mort.

But when the 'how' blemishes any noble 'why'...

 

[EternalFantasies]

I had made another thread with a poll. but hadn't posted the below there.

I was considering how it differred from the American one; or what locals on here thought about that.

So I decided to find opinions online rather than reply on my harsh judgement.

I'll share here:

Not just bad, but terrible.

It brutally ravaged a 1500 year old dynasty along with an ancient and stable social order. It created a cult of individualism and a democratic mob mentality which indirectly made possible the rise of fascism a century and a half later. It started a Civil War which would result in thousands and thousands of dead (the events of the Vendée border on genocide), and it led directly into the Napoleonic wars which would produce hundreds of thousands if not millions of dead, innocent and otherwise.

At the end of all this (a mere 20 years later), France got an older, fatter, more tired brother of the king the bourgeois upstarts decapitated...and then another brother, this time an absolutist, then a constitutional monarch, then another republic, then a second empire, and then another fragile republic. In other words, the Revolution initiated the most unstable, chaotic, and dangerous century and a half of French history which ultimately climaxed in the disastrous Franco-Prussian war, WWI, and WWII.

The Revolution was the most tragic event in all of French, and possible all of European, history.

 

[EternalFantasies]

And the others:

How were the American and French Revolutions similar? How were they different?

They differ in almost every respect, except in the fact that they are both labeled revolutions.
• The American Revolution was directed against a foreign colonial owner and was driven by grievances over taxation and locus of power. The French Revolution was directed against internal royal power and the collusion of the Church with that power.
• The American Revolution took the form of a series of military actions against the foreign power. The French Revolution was made bloody by the spectacle of public executions against the old regime, the church, and eventually against its own leadership.
• While both the Revolutions found their inspiration in enlightenment thought, the French version used those ideas to become virulently anti-clerical while the same ideas led to expressions of freedom including in religious expression in the U.S. That the France of 2015 is essentially an anti-religious secular state while the U.S. Is a secular democracy with a strong tendency towards religious participation of a pluralistic nature is largely attributable to the differences of their revolutions.
• While the French eventually recoiled from the disruptive nature of their Revolution, going so far as to reintroduce the royalty, the U.S. never experienced a backlash.

That the two Revolution are radically different is borne out by the fact that while the U.S. has been a stable democratic republic since the 1780's, France has had five republics interrupted by two empires and a brief monarchy in the same period of time. And that does not include the Vichy government imposed in the 40's.

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There were a lot of differences in the uprising and aftermath of both revolutions, but the most important difference to me is in the philosophy of the revolutionaries. While superficially both were about 'liberty,' this word meant different things in these movements.

The American Revolution began in large part as an open conspiracy of the wealthiest American colonists who didn't want to continue paying taxes to the crown. In the Declaration of Independence, Thomas Jefferson borrows the phrase "life, liberty, and property" from John Locke, substituting "the pursuit of happiness" for "property," and insists that these are among the inalienable rights of man. The whole declaration, the manifesto of the American Revolution, revolves around the government's responsibility to preserve these rights for the individual and the individual's responsibility to protect these rights from his government. The central philosophical conflict was between the individual who wanted security in his person and property and a government that too strongly interfered in these things.

The French Revolution erupted when the peasantry of France had enough of being oppressed and exploited. Unlike in the American Revolution, the people of France were outraged not only by the government, but by their aristocratic oppressors and the societal constructs that lent them power. The motto of the revolutionaries was "liberty, equality, and fraternity," focusing not on the inherent rights of the self interested individual as the Americans did but rather on the inherent equality of all individuals and their right to be treated as such. The revolution wasn't merely dissatisfaction with government; it was class warfare. The central philosophical conflict was between a people who wanted everyone to be equals and a society that demanded some people were above others.

 

[Hypoxia]

Links would help. And I must quarrel with these:

It brutally ravaged a 1500 year old dynasty along with an ancient and stable social order. It created a cult of individualism and a democratic mob mentality which indirectly made possible the rise of fascism a century and a half later.

The Bourbon dynasty was just 200 years old when the rev hit in 1789. That "ancient and stable social order" had already been undermined by predatory tax collections and continuing church corruption. Your "democratic mob mentality" is more rightly called the disease of nationalism, with ethnic-linguistic groups seeking domination over disempowered scuts. France's ethnicities still despise each other -- but Parisians won, so there. And Andy Jackson's fascism predated Mussolini by quite a bit. Was his backwoods "democratic mob" inspired by Parisians? Yeah, sure.

 

[EternalFantasies]

And I must quarrel with these:
The Bourbon dynasty was just 200 years old when the rev hit in 1789.

France had a dynasty after another. I think what he meant was ravaging a 1500 yr old dynasty system.

That "ancient and stable social order" had already been undermined by predatory tax collections and continuing church corruption. Your "democratic mob mentality" is more rightly called the disease of nationalism, with ethnic-linguistic groups seeking domination over disempowered scuts. France's ethnicities still despise each other -- but Parisians won, so there. And Andy Jackson's fascism predated Mussolini by quite a bit. Was his backwoods "democratic mob" inspired by Parisians? Yeah, sure.

I think you are going too much into certain irrelevant detail and missing a bigger picture.

I had reached the conclusion that the french revolution caused this socialist mob mentality prior to reading this. I've found many of the same opinion.

It is quite clear, that this degenerate act the french call their revolution, not only created a trend of socialist mob mentality, but also spoiled the quality of life for many around the world, especially where they have extended their empire to.

Doubt it? Check their colonies. the pits.