BBC depicts "typical" family in Roman Britain as black

[renard_ruse]

http://rinf.com/alt-news/newswire/bbc-depicts-black-people-as-typical-family-in-roman-britain/

https://hw.infowars.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/270717family1.jpg

 

[IrezumiKiss]

Renny freaking out over learning there were (ghasp) Black people in ancient Rome:

https://media.giphy.com/media/n0jPtLtoQJTDq/giphy.gif

 

[hsnh]

I'm a bit conflicted:

The poster's absurd distortion of History out of PC-nness made me laugh, and so did renard vs. Zumi's interaction.
And I would have laughed regardlesss of minority group in question (immigrants like myself included).

But then: I realized that renard can be quite racist at times, and Zumi sometimes reads racism where there's none.

 

[oggbashan]

We have the ruins of a Roman Fort locally. We know, from surviving records, that at one time it was garrisoned by troops from Southern Spain and North Africa. They complained about the cold weather, the rain, and the North wind.

Some bones recovered from a nearby Roman cemetery have indicated Southern Mediterranean origin.

Whether the troops were black or brown-skinned? We're not sure but probably more likely to be light brown. Elsewhere in England Roman burials of high status have been shown to be of black people. One memorial stone is for a much loved Roman wife who had been bought as a slave before being freed to marry her owner and produce several children. She had come from North Africa but her carved features suggest Sub-Saharan origin.

The Roman Empire was colour-blind. They didn't care what race you were. You could be a slave or a senator, or even an Emperor - and be black.

 

[colddiesel]

Septimus Severus and his son Caracalla were both Black Emperors I think from 193 ad to 217 AD. Caracalla was a real bad ass - murdered his own brother and co-emperor and about 20,000 of his supporters.

Then there was Philip the Arab, a couple of Syrians, a Berber from Africa, and even two Iranians.

 

[PrincepsCyberius]

Septimus Severus and his son Caracalla were both Black Emperors I think from 193 ad to 217 AD. Caracalla was a real bad ass - murdered his own brother and co-emperor and about 20,000 of his supporters.

Then there was Philip the Arab, a couple of Syrians, a Berber from Africa, and even two Iranians.

Septimus Severus was born in Africa, but he wasn't black. His father was a Roman equestrian from Italy (Rome itself, in fact) and his mother's family Carthaginian. His son was not black, either, his mother being of noble Roman stock.

That being said, I have no problem with a depiction of a "'typical' family in Roman Britain as black." Geographical mobility, even among the lower classes, was a hallmark of the Roman Empire. Many colonists in newer provinces would include veterans from legions drawn from all over the empire. In the graphic above, the father is shown as a soldier. It looks very "typical" of anywhere in the empire by that time. Note that the two men in the background, wearing togas which mean they are upper class, are white. So I think what the BBC has done here is quite appropriate.

It certainly makes a lot more sense than this:

USA Today Complains About Lack of 'Women' and 'No Lead Actors of Color' in Movie 'Dunkirk'

Given that it was essentially all white male units being evacuated from Dunkirk, it would have taken some tortured history to make USA Today happy, but at least they can feel smug in their political correctness.

 

[EternalFantasies]

I am for teaching kids accurate history.

They need to portray the truth. That Roman Britain was Native Indians. Which explains the Galea and it's plume just like Chief Strongbow!

Which also means Europeans didn't steal native lands they merely went home.

Let's make a meal feast out of this

 

[EternalFantasies]

Oh yes and

Let's INVADE AFRICA NEXT!!! It's only our right of return now.



Leftists are dumb-asses.

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

https://i.imgur.com/aPqypG4.jpg

 

[Sean]

Look at all the stupid people!

Jesus fucking Christ, the Roman Legions and Roman society in general was full of people from all over the place. Roman citizens didn't have to be born in Rome, you fucking retarded cunts.

 

[Hypoxia]

If the Mongols hadn't skittered off, Britain might now be Chinese.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Look at all the stupid people!

Jesus fucking Christ, the Roman Legions and Roman society in general was full of people from all over the place. Roman citizens didn't have to be born in Rome, you fucking retarded cunts.

Read the title FuckWit.

A typical family in Roman, which is false as it is, and Britain to top it off.

Jackass.

 

[EternalFantasies]

If the Mongols hadn't skittered off, Britain might now be Chinese.

If the mongols hadn't been skittered off, you may have never existed. Nor anything else for that matter.

 

[hsnh]

Could someone please provide a link to the BBC news or program in question?
Maybe I need glasses, but I couldn't find it in renard's link.

 

[MGurkus]

I'm a bit retarded:

The poster's absurd distortion of History out of PC-nness made me laugh, and so did renard vs. Zumi's interaction.
And I would have laughed regardlesss of minority group in question (immigrants like myself included).

But then: I realized that renard can be quite racist at times, and Zumi sometimes reads racism where there's none.

fypyw

 

[MGurkus]

Read the title FuckWit.

A typical family in Roman, which is false as it is, and Britain to top it off.

Jackass.

Is that jumble of words supposed to amount to some sort of meaning?

 

[Nipples_Mcgee1]

Could someone please provide a link to the BBC news or program in question?
Maybe I'm retarded, but I couldn't find it in renard's link.

fypyw

 

[Adder4321]

I'm not trying to start anything with this, but if there were black people in the roman empire and the roman empire covered like half of Europe, what happened to all of the black people? Genuinely curious.

 

[hsnh]

Could someone please provide a link to the BBC news or program in question?
Maybe I need glasses, but I couldn't find it in renard's link.

Because I listened to the first few minutes of the infowars video.
Obviously their agenda is anti - muslim immigration, and they're pretty virulent about it.

They claim that, based on some undisputable, yet isolated findings (historical and recent archeological - bones of black people).
--- some BBC historian claimed that the typical family in roman britain was either black pr white, in other words immigration was the norm then.
And that all this is a leftist pro - muslim immigration ploy.


I was naturally curious how much of this is true /how much fake, but I couldn't find the BBC video in question.

 

[Nipples_Mcgee1]

Is that jumble of words supposed to amount to some sort of meaning?

Is EternalFuckwit claiming to be ESL, just like the donkey fucker?

 

[hsnh]

Is EternalFuckwit claiming to be ESL, just like the donkey fucker?

Well, it would make sense if he were ESL.

Because his fund of knowledge is much larger than that of the typical american.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Is that jumble of words supposed to amount to some sort of meaning?

Imagine that it does.

 

[oggbashan]

I'm not trying to start anything with this, but if there were black people in the roman empire and the roman empire covered like half of Europe, what happened to all of the black people? Genuinely curious.

Once the Roman Empire fell, countries could not maintain the vast international trade that had thrived under Rome. The Empire fragmented into smaller units and suffered barbarian invasions from the North and East. The movement of black people from Africa ended.

BUT - their legacy remained as burials and in the genes of Europe. Most European people from areas that were part of the Roman Empire have some trace of African or Middle Eastern heritage even if only in tiny percentages.

We're all black (or a little bit is)!

 

[oggbashan]

They claim that, based on some undisputable, yet isolated findings (historical and recent archeological - bones of black people).
--- some BBC historian claimed that the typical family in roman britain was either black pr white, in other words immigration was the norm then.
And that all this is a leftist pro - muslim immigration ploy.
...

Yes, Roman burials recently discovered in the UK and previous preserved skeletons re-examined have shown a higher than expected number of individuals of African descent.

We have known for centuries that there were Roman Army units raised in North Africa that were posted to Britain, and that black soldiers were part of them. Time served soldiers tended to settle close to where they had served so we would have expected to find traces of black people.

But ex-soldiers did not tend to get the high status burials that preserve bodies, and for some periods of the Roman occupation of Britain cremation was normal. What has been recently found was expected, but in higher numbers than had been suggested.

To go from the discovery that skeletal remains had black origins to claiming that a typical Romano-British family was black or part black is a step too far. Most of the population during the Roman occupation were the same people who had been living in Britain BEFORE the Roman invasion. But they didn't get the high status burials.

 

[Nipples_Mcgee1]

Well, it would make sense if he were ESL.

Because his fund of knowledge is much larger than that of the typical american.

Ahahahaha. That's rich, coming from you. Thanks for the laugh.