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DO YOU ACCEPT JESUS GIFT OF SALVATION BELIEVING HE DIED N ROSE AGAIN FOR YOUR SINS?

  • YES

    Votes: 48 16.4%

  • NO

    Votes: 148 50.5%

  • I ALREADY ACCEPTED JESUS GIFT OF SALVATION BEFORE

    Votes: 62 21.2%

  • OTHER

    Votes: 35 11.9%
  • Total voters
    293
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phrodeau said:
Because it didn't belong to them. According to Mark 15:46 it belonged to Joseph of Arimathea. Jesus didn't need it any more, so it would go back to him. And being a wealthy man, he probably would have returned the shroud and gotten his money back.
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It was the tomb that didn't belong to Him, NOT the shroud. Mark 15 only has 39 verses so mark 15:46 doesn't exist.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
It was the tomb that didn't belong to Him, NOT the shroud. Mark 15 only has 39 verses so mark 15:46 doesn't exist.
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Oh, Jesus Christ.

Mark 15:40 There were also women looking on afar off, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the Less and of Joses, and Salome

Mark 15:41 (who also, when He was in Galilee, had followed Him and ministered unto Him), and many other women who came up with Him unto Jerusalem.

Mark 15:42 And now when the evening had come, because it was the Preparation (that is, the day before the Sabbath),

Mark 15:43 Joseph of Arimathea, an honorable council member who also was waiting for the Kingdom of God, came and went in boldly unto Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.

Mark 15:44 And Pilate wondered if He were already dead; and calling unto him the centurion, he asked him whether He had been any while dead.

Mark 15:45 And when he learned it from the centurion, he gave the body to Joseph.

Mark 15:46 And Joseph bought fine linen, and took Him down and wrapped Him in the linen. And he laid Him in a sepulcher which was hewn out of a rock, and rolled a stone unto the door of the sepulcher.

Mark 15:47 And Mary Magdalene and Mary the mother of Joses beheld where He was laid.
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xfrodobagginsx said:
Stephen J Gould admits there are no transitional fossils.
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And gravity is only a theory, so one shouldn't fear jumping from a 4th-floor window. That's okay; Earth is flat, right? BTW citing 40-year-old comments ignores current science, which also evolves.

Arguing against evolution (the survival of change over time) is useless when we can observe it in real-time in microbiology labs, or witness the effects of speciation in many environments such as Hawai'ian kipukas ("God's gift to evolutionists!").

Evolution happens. Evolutionary theory has become the standard model of biology, geology, astronomy, many fields -- because it works. Mystical explanations don't predict, don't describe, don't work. What's a theory? A workable, testable model supported by the preponderance of data. Mystical creationism is not even a hypothesis.

BTW one shouldn't confuse evolution (survival of change) with biogenesis (origin of life). Those are different fields. Urey and Miller demonstrated in 1953 that deities aren't required to create the basis of life. No magic is needed, merely chemicals and energy.
 
phrodeau said:
You don't believe in fossils, do you? Fossils take at least 10,000 years to form. Noah's flood was only 4,050 years ago.
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There sure are lots of coprolites left lying about. Pre-fossilized turds tell their own stories in exquisite biological detail. Even xfrodo's shit may be valuable in a few millennia.
 
xfrodobagginsx said:
The Trail Of Blood:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Books, Tracts & Preaching/Printed Books/trail_of_blood_jm_carroll.htm
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The first bullshit: Xianity did not suffer massive (or even substantial) persecution during the Roman Empire. Xian writers claimed all sorts of stuff but there are no records of such happening. Xians adopted a persecution complex because it was a useful recruiting tool, not because it happened.

After that crap, I'll ignore the rest of the text.
 
Hypoxia said:
The first bullshit: Xianity did not suffer massive (or even substantial) persecution during the Roman Empire. Xian writers claimed all sorts of stuff but there are no records of such happening. Xians adopted a persecution complex because it was a useful recruiting tool, not because it happened.

After that crap, I'll ignore the rest of the text.
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There isn't going to be an official record of the underground church. It was illegal and the penalty was torture, and death to defy the law.
 
Hypoxia said:
The first bullshit: Xianity did not suffer massive (or even substantial) persecution during the Roman Empire. Xian writers claimed all sorts of stuff but there are no records of such happening. Xians adopted a persecution complex because it was a useful recruiting tool, not because it happened.

After that crap, I'll ignore the rest of the text.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Christians_in_the_Roman_Empire

Persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire occurred intermittently over a period of over two centuries until the year 313 AD when the Roman Emperors Constantine the Great and Licinius jointly promulgated the Edict of Milan which legalised the Christian religion. The persecution of Christians in the Roman Empire was carried out by the state and also by local authorities on a sporadic, ad hoc basis, often at the whims of local communities. Starting in 250, empire-wide persecution took place by decree of the emperor Decius. The edict was in force for eighteen months, during which time some Christians were killed while others apostatised to escape execution.

These persecutions heavily influenced the development of Christianity, shaping Christian theology and the structure of the Church. Among other things, persecution gave rise to many saints' cults which may have contributed to the rapid spread of Christianity and sparked written explanations and defenses of the Christian religion.
 
There was persecution of early Christians by the Roman Empire. Shrouds were used. And there is reason to suspect an Eden if only as central to the early flowerings of civilization.

xfrodobagginsx is still a gullible fool.










Why is my multi-quote not working?! :mad:
 
Traditionally, the favored derivation of the name "Eden" was from the Akkadian edinnu, derived from a Sumerian word edin meaning "plain" or "steppe". Eden is now believed to be more closely related to an Aramaic root word meaning "fruitful, well-watered."

Much like records of the great flood, creation story and confusion of languages, the story of Eden echoes the Mesopotamian myth of a king, as a primordial man, who is placed in a divine garden to guard the tree of life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Garden_of_Eden
 
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