Collusion

[adrina]

You're kinda cute when you're stupid. But only kinda.

 

[DumOH]

you didnt asnwer the question, A Drone

tell me the ISSUES and stuff

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Don't ya all get tired of having to continually defend 45?

Regardless of whether it's optics, morality or potential illegalities... he sure keeps you guys hoppin'.

I just went back and read this whole thread. None of it defends "45" of anything. It's all about Junior and Jared. The "Don" didn't do anything. Never even knew about the meeting.

Having said that, I am sure there are plenty in DC and elsewhere who are now, more than ever, willing to impeach the President for a meeting that produced no illegal conspiratorial collusion involving the sharing of Clinton campaign dirt from the Russian government; a meeting that the President did not know about or benefit from and that none of the rest of us would have known about were it not for the fact that Jared Kushner subsequently volunteered the information on a supplemental application for his security clearance.

Damn, those little Trumpster offspring and in-laws are sneaky little bastards, aren't they? You would think they'd realize the risk of being outed by information that they freely offer in compliance with the law.

 

[adrina]

You betcha cuz you know I have time to entertain you.

Go read the newspapers and look at his approval rating. Then the approval ratings of congress.

But there's no issues. At all. Of course. Yeah, only kinda cute when stupid.

Only an abject moronic fellating idiot could not see and would not admit that the man doesn't have some serious issues.

 

[Nipples_Mcgee1]

Idiot.

Ishmael

You signed your post twice, dipshit.

 

[DumOH]

You betcha cuz you know I have time to entertain you.

Go read the newspapers and look at his approval rating. Then the approval ratings of congress.

But there's no issues. At all. Of course. Yeah, only kinda cute when stupid.

Only an abject moronic fellating idiot could not see and would not admit that the man doesn't have some serious issues.

there arent any that isnt FAKE NEWS and SORE LOSERISM

show me Im wrong

 

[adrina]

I just went back and read this whole thread. None of it defends "45" of anything. It's all about Junior and Jared. The "Don" didn't do anything. Never even knew about the meeting.

Having said that, I am sure there are plenty in DC and elsewhere who are now, more than ever, willing to impeach the President for a meeting that produced no illegal conspiratorial collusion involving the sharing of Clinton campaign dirt from the Russian government; a meeting that the President did not know about or benefit from and that none of the rest of us would have known about were it not for the fact that Jared Kushner subsequently volunteered the information on a supplemental application for his security clearance.

Damn, those little Trumpster offspring and in-laws are sneaky little bastards, aren't they? You would think they'd realize the risk of being outed by information that they freely offer in compliance with the law.

Hogan, I like your logical basis an' all for the legal stuff... but if you don't see the connections into Trump when they are in his inner circle... We're not talking about the third cousin twice removed by marriage that handed out pamphlets at a rally. We're talking about people that are directly involved in the most inner workings of his campaign and presidency. To pretend that this is not, yet again, another issue for Trump is illogical.

 

[Ishmael]

Hogan, I like your logical basis an' all for the legal stuff... but if you don't see the connections into Trump when they are in his inner circle... We're not talking about the third cousin twice removed by marriage that handed out pamphlets at a rally. We're talking about people that are directly involved in the most inner workings of his campaign and presidency. To pretend that this is not, yet again, another issue for Trump is illogical.

Go get your hormones checked. The "inner circle" committed NO illegality beyond winning the election fair and square.

Ishmael

 

[adrina]

Go get your hormones checked. The "inner circle" committed NO illegality beyond winning the election fair and square.

Ishmael

Reading comprehension issues Ish?

But hey you get credit for having the self restraint for waiting for your second post to be a sexist asshat.

Would you like a cookie?

 

[DumOH]

there arent any that isnt FAKE NEWS and SORE LOSERISM

show me Im wrong

poor A Drone, cunt answer

 

[BotanyBoy]

You betcha cuz you know I have time to entertain you.

Go read the newspapers and look at his approval rating. Then the approval ratings of congress.

But there's no issues. At all. Of course. Yeah, only kinda cute when stupid.

Only an abject moronic fellating idiot could not see and would not admit that the man doesn't have some serious issues.

Only an "abject moronic fellating idiot" would try to conflate "serious issues", approval ratings and approval ratings of congress with illegal conspiratorial collusion on the part of POTUS.

To pretend that this is not, yet again, another issue for Trump is illogical.

The only reason it's an issue is because you and the rest of team Clinton are bent on turning the guys every fart into an international scandal and outrage sensation.

 

[Jessie_Pinkman]

Nothing but lies

July 24, 2016

Manafort told George Stephanopoulos on*ABC's "This Week"*that there are no ties between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Stephanopoulos: "Are there any ties between Mr. Trump, you or your campaign and Putin and his regime?"

Manafort: "No, there are not. That's absurd. And, you know, there's no basis to it."

July 24, 2016

Tapper: "(Robby Mook) seemed to be suggesting that this is part of a plot to help Donald Trump and hurt Hillary Clinton. Your response?"

Trump Jr.: "Well, it just goes to show you their exact moral compass. I mean, they will say anything to be able to win this.*I mean, this is time and time again, lie after lie. You notice he won't say, 'Well, I say this.' We hear 'experts.' You know,*'His house cat at home once said that this is what's happening with the Russians.'*It's disgusting. It's so phony. I watched him bumble through the interview, I was able to hear it on audio a little bit. I mean, I can't think of bigger lies, but that exactly goes to show you what the DNC and what the Clinton camp will do.*They will lie and do anything to win."

"You hear it with the DNC where they're leaking emails about Bernie Sanders and his Jewish heritage, to be able to try to destroy him in the South. It's a rigged system.*It's disgusting and the people who should be fed up because when I heard it I certainly was."

October 24, 2016

During a campaign rally in Florida, Trump said: "I have nothing to do with Russia, folks. OK? I'll give you a written statement."

November 11, 2016

Hope Hicks, then-spokesperson for Trump's campaign,*told The Associated Press there was no contact*between the Trump campaign and Russian representatives.

"It never happened," Hicks told The AP.*"There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign."

December 18, 2016

Top aide Kellyanne Conway answered "absolutely not" when asked by CBS' John Dickerson if there was contact with "Russians trying to meddle with the election."

"Absolutely not," Conway said. "And I discussed that with the President-elect just last night. Those conversations never happened.*I hear people saying it like it's a fact on television. That is just not only inaccurate and false, but it's dangerous and it does undermine our democracy."

January 15, 2017

Mike Pence*issued a blanket denial*to Chris Wallace on Fox News.

Wallace: "I'm asking a direct question: Was there any contact in any way between Trump or his associates and the Kremlin or contacts they had?"

Pence: "I joined this campaign in the summer, and I can tell you that all the contact by the Trump campaign and associates was with the American people. We were fully engaged with taking his message to make America great again all across this country. That's why he won in a landslide election."

Wallace: "... if there were any contacts, sir, I'm just trying to get an answer."

Pence: "Yes. I -- of course not.*Why would there*be any contacts between the campaign? Chris, the -- this is all a distraction, and it's all part of a narrative to delegitimize the election and to question the legitimacy of this presidency. The American people see right through it."

Pence later repeated that "of course" there had not been contact between the Trump campaign and Russia in an interview with CBS' Dickerson.

February 14, 2017

White House press secretary Sean Spicer is asked during a briefing to say "definitively that nobody on the Trump campaign, not even General (Michael) Flynn, had any contact with the Russians before the election."

"I don't have any*... there's nothing that would conclude me*... that anything different has changed with respect to that time period," Spicer said.

February 19, 2017

Chief of staff Reince Priebus issued a blanket denial to Wallace on "Fox News Sunday" when asked if there was "no collusion whatsoever" between "anybody involved with Trump" and "anybody in involved with Russia in the 2016 campaign."

"No," Priebus answered.

March 2017

Trump Jr. told*The New York Times*that he did not have any meetings with Russians that were "set up."

"Did I meet with people that were Russian? I'm sure, I'm sure I did," Trump Jr. said. "But none that were set up. None that I can think of at the moment. And certainly none that I was representing the campaign in any way, shape or form."

May 11, 2017

The President told NBC's Lester Holt "there is no collusion between me and my campaign and the Russians."

May 18, 2017

In a White House news conference, Trump said the investigation into Russian meddling in the election, and whether there was any collusion between his campaign and the Russians, "has been a witch hunt."

"And there is no collusion between, certainly, myself and my campaign -- but I can always speak for myself -- and the Russians," Trump said. "Zero."

June 16, 2017

Trump tweeted that no one has found any proof of his "collusion with the Russians."

July 10, 2017

White House deputy press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said at*an off-camera*briefing with reporters the day before Trump Jr.'s emails were published: "I would certainly say Don Jr. did not collude with anybody to influence the election."

*

 

[Nipples_Mcgee1]

Reading comprehension issues Ish?

But hey you get credit for having the self restraint for waiting for your second post to be a sexist asshat.

Would you like a cookie?

Ismale is an impotent old man. Having the misfortune of happening across a strong woman is enough to put him in a misogynistic tizzy.

 

[magicalmoments]

poor A Drone, cunt answer

Hey Bridget! You girls should play nicely together.

 

[Ishmael]

July 24, 2016

Manafort told George Stephanopoulos on*ABC's "This Week"*that there are no ties between the Trump campaign and Russia.

Stephanopoulos: "Are there any ties between Mr. Trump, you or your campaign and Putin and his regime?"

Manafort: "No, there are not. That's absurd. And, you know, there's no basis to it."

July 24, 2016

Tapper: "(Robby Mook) seemed to be suggesting that this is part of a plot to help Donald Trump and hurt Hillary Clinton. Your response?"

Trump Jr.: "Well, it just goes to show you their exact moral compass. I mean, they will say anything to be able to win this.*I mean, this is time and time again, lie after lie. You notice he won't say, 'Well, I say this.' We hear 'experts.' You know,*'His house cat at home once said that this is what's happening with the Russians.'*It's disgusting. It's so phony. I watched him bumble through the interview, I was able to hear it on audio a little bit. I mean, I can't think of bigger lies, but that exactly goes to show you what the DNC and what the Clinton camp will do.*They will lie and do anything to win."

"You hear it with the DNC where they're leaking emails about Bernie Sanders and his Jewish heritage, to be able to try to destroy him in the South. It's a rigged system.*It's disgusting and the people who should be fed up because when I heard it I certainly was."

October 24, 2016

During a campaign rally in Florida, Trump said: "I have nothing to do with Russia, folks. OK? I'll give you a written statement."

November 11, 2016

Hope Hicks, then-spokesperson for Trump's campaign,*told The Associated Press there was no contact*between the Trump campaign and Russian representatives.

"It never happened," Hicks told The AP.*"There was no communication between the campaign and any foreign entity during the campaign."

December 18, 2016

Top aide Kellyanne Conway answered "absolutely not" when asked by CBS' John Dickerson if there was contact with "Russians trying to meddle with the election."

"Absolutely not," Conway said. "And I discussed that with the President-elect just last night. Those conversations never happened.*I hear people saying it like it's a fact on television. That is just not only inaccurate and false, but it's dangerous and it does undermine our democracy."

January 15, 2017

Mike Pence*issued a blanket denial*to Chris Wallace on Fox News.

Wallace: "I'm asking a direct question: Was there any contact in any way between Trump or his associates and the Kremlin or contacts they had?"

Pence: "I joined this campaign in the summer, and I can tell you that all the contact by the Trump campaign and associates was with the American people. We were fully engaged with taking his message to make America great again all across this country. That's why he won in a landslide election."

Wallace: "... if there were any contacts, sir, I'm just trying to get an answer."

Pence: "Yes. I -- of course not.*Why would there*be any contacts between the campaign? Chris, the -- this is all a distraction, and it's all part of a narrative to delegitimize the election and to question the legitimacy of this presidency. The American people see right through it."

Pence later repeated that "of course" there had not been contact between the Trump campaign and Russia in an interview with CBS' Dickerson.

February 14, 2017

White House press secretary Sean Spicer is asked during a briefing to say "definitively that nobody on the Trump campaign, not even General (Michael) Flynn, had any contact with the Russians before the election."

"I don't have any*... there's nothing that would conclude me*... that anything different has changed with respect to that time period," Spicer said.

February 19, 2017

Chief of staff Reince Priebus issued a blanket denial to Wallace on "Fox News Sunday" when asked if there was "no collusion whatsoever" between "anybody involved with Trump" and "anybody in involved with Russia in the 2016 campaign."

"No," Priebus answered.

March 2017

Trump Jr. told*The New York Times*that he did not have any meetings with Russians that were "set up."

"Did I meet with people that were Russian? I'm sure, I'm sure I did," Trump Jr. said. "But none that were set up. None that I can think of at the moment. And certainly none that I was representing the campaign in any way, shape or form."

May 11, 2017

The President told NBC's Lester Holt "there is no collusion between me and my campaign and the Russians."

May 18, 2017

In a White House news conference, Trump said the investigation into Russian meddling in the election, and whether there was any collusion between his campaign and the Russians, "has been a witch hunt."

"And there is no collusion between, certainly, myself and my campaign -- but I can always speak for myself -- and the Russians," Trump said. "Zero."

June 16, 2017

Trump tweeted that no one has found any proof of his "collusion with the Russians."

July 10, 2017

White House deputy press secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders said at*an off-camera*briefing with reporters the day before Trump Jr.'s emails were published: "I would certainly say Don Jr. did not collude with anybody to influence the election."

*

What a waste of bandwidth you are. Where are the "ties?"

Ishmael

 

[adrina]

That's what I thought.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Ok. some posts do irk, and trigger combattivism (made up word that i prefer).

col·lu·sion
kəˈlo͞oZHən - noun
Secret or illegal cooperation or conspiracy, especially in order to cheat or deceive others.
synonyms: conspiracy, connivance, complicity, intrigue, plotting, secret understanding, collaboration, scheming

Used in a sentence:

Trump Jr. admitted to collusion with a foreign adversary when he released the email showing that he met with Russian agents after being offered documents that "would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.”

So.... If he released the emails, it's cos there's collusion in them, and he was dying for you to find out.

p.s. trump jr is not wikileaks. He did so voluntarily.

Setting sarcasm aside, when are you people going to understand that any source of any dirt isn't important. It's like one saying: 'No! don't tell me hillary lied to me, mishandled classified info, created a private server, deleted over 30k emails, put my soldiers at risk, got them killed, colluded to support isil, etc etc. No, don't tell me so that i may change my vote".

Who cares where the info came from? If i was Trump Jr, I'd say sure you're on, what do you got? i'd hand it over to the FBI either way, and use it on my dad's campaign too.

Don't ya all get tired of having to continually defend 45?

Regardless of whether it's optics, morality or potential illegalities... he sure keeps you guys hoppin'.

No one really defends him as much as defending the notion of lucidity and proper analysis.

And, trump is doing something I don't expect many to see; you included no offense.

If Trump didn't have so many issues there would be nothing to make excuses or allowances for. Or the perceived need to "point out pathological fixations" - now there's a hoot. But that's not the case. And ya'll know it. So it's the usual deflect, shoot the messenger or bring in Clinton/Obama.

It's all in black and white. Every day there's at least one, if not more, instance where the Trump Defense Patrol has to come out to clean up his BS.

Spin it however it makes you feel best.

You betcha cuz you know I have time to entertain you.

Go read the newspapers and look at his approval rating. Then the approval ratings of congress.

But there's no issues. At all. Of course. Yeah, only kinda cute when stupid.

Only an abject moronic fellating idiot could not see and would not admit that the man doesn't have some serious issues.

That last line opens the behind sooo wide, but, i'll pass.

What's emboldened and underlined is the pure refined triple-distilled nectar of prejudice. And absolutely nothing else.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Hogan, I like your logical basis an' all for the legal stuff... but if you don't see the connections into Trump when they are in his inner circle... We're not talking about the third cousin twice removed by marriage that handed out pamphlets at a rally. We're talking about people that are directly involved in the most inner workings of his campaign and presidency. To pretend that this is not, yet again, another issue for Trump is illogical.

Let me be clear what, for me at least, the "issue" is NOT.

The issue is NOT that Donald Trump is remotely qualified, by experience or temperament, to be President of the United States.

And it certainly isn't that his performance so far has admirably acquitted himself despite the lack of his obvious qualifications.

Which is why you won't often find me defending HIM as a PERSON. I don't "admire" the guy. I don't particularly like him. I sure as hell would never consider working for him.

But I will "attack" references to "connections," "associations," and "relationships" regardless of what "inner" or "outer" circle they're in that disparages conduct that is not only NOT ILLEGAL BUT IS EVERY BIT THE EQUAL OF THE SAME LEGAL CONDUCT that Democrats not only commit against Republicans, but for that matter, against each other (see Clinton vs. Sanders).

NOTHING about my attacks against such lame smearage constitutes a "defense" of Donald Trump. It IS, rather, an indictment against shitty, vague reporting and the obvious attempt by a legion of partisan minions to make the mightiest of mountains out of the most minuscule of molehills.

And if you follow my rants, as I know you do, you also know that I am no less exorcised when conservative Republican minions practice the same mindless behavior, most notably the President himself and his fucking Twit-less account.

People who violate the law should be held accountable, prosecuted and, if found guilty, punished.

People who allege violations of the law purely for political partisan advantage knowing full well or even with a high degree of likelihood that no such violation has taken place or even with callous disregard for whether a violation has taken place SHOULD ALSO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. They can't be prosecuted or punished for that behavior, because it, too, is completely legal. But it is every bit as unseemly as the fictitious transgressions they LABOR to construct.

And I will continue to expose the fallacies of their fantasies whenever I can legitimately poke holes in those overly inflated balloons.

 

[adrina]

Let me be clear what, for me at least, the "issue" is NOT.

The issue is NOT that Donald Trump is remotely qualified, by experience or temperament, to be President of the United States.

And it certainly isn't that his performance so far has admirably acquitted himself despite the lack of his obvious qualifications.

Which is why you won't often find me defending HIM as a PERSON. I don't "admire" the guy. I don't particularly like him. I sure as hell would never consider working for him.

But I will "attack" references to "connections," "associations," and "relationships" regardless of what "inner" or "outer" circle they're in that disparages conduct that is not only NOT ILLEGAL BUT IS EVERY BIT THE EQUAL OF THE SAME LEGAL CONDUCT that Democrats not only commit against Republicans, but for that matter, against each other (see Clinton vs. Sanders).

NOTHING about my attacks against such lame smearage constitutes a "defense" of Donald Trump. It IS, rather, an indictment against shitty, vague reporting and the obvious attempt by a legion of partisan minions to make the mightiest of mountains out of the most minuscule of molehills.

And if you follow my rants, as I know you do, you also know that I am no less exorcised when conservative Republican minions practice the same mindless behavior, most notably the President himself and his fucking Twit-less account.

People who violate the law should be held accountable, prosecuted and, if found guilty, punished.

People who allege violations of the law purely for political partisan advantage knowing full well or even with a high degree of likelihood that no such violation has taken place or even with callous disregard for whether a violation has taken place SHOULD ALSO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE. They can't be prosecuted or punished for that behavior, because it, too, is completely legal. But it is every bit as unseemly as the fictitious transgressions they LABOR to construct.

And I will continue to expose the fallacies of their fantasies whenever I can legitimately poke holes in those overly inflated balloons.

Yeah I get it. I'm not talking about law. If you look back I said regardless of optics, morality or potential legalities.

The man has got problems from A to Z.

Everyday I log into every news site (with the exceptions of Breitbart and Fox) there are headlines pointing to major issues with the man, his presidency, his associates, his policies ad nauseum. And everyday that I log onto Lit, there is a steady contingent of folks having to got to bat for him.

Trump is a one man negative publicity machine. And it's not all hype. In fact most of it isn't. Whether illegal or not.

I said, and will continue to say, he gives all of the apologists a work out. If you think that statement is false, illogical or misrepresentive of the reality then I can't help you. I can only disagree with you and shake my head at how you don't see it.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Yeah I get it. I'm not talking about law. If you look back I said regardless of optics, morality or potential legalities.

The man has got problems from A to Z.

Everyday I log into every news site (with the exceptions of Breitbart and Fox) there are headlines pointing to major issues with the man, his presidency, his associates, his policies ad nauseum. And everyday that I log onto Lit, there is a steady contingent of folks having to got to bat for him.

Trump is a one man negative publicity machine. And it's not all hype. In fact most of it isn't. Whether illegal or not.

I said, and will continue to say, he gives all of the apologists a work out. If you think that statement is false, illogical or misrepresentive of the reality then I can't help you. I can only disagree with you and shake my head at how you don't see it.

I see exactly what you see, and my reaction to HIS behavior is similarly negative.

But this is where our perspectives depart because, while YOU may not be talking about the law, I am, and, far more importantly I am talking about those others, on both sides of the aisle who PRETEND TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE LAW and, in fact, either don't know what they're talking about OR, far worse, know damn well that they are talking bullshit and know perfectly well WHY they are talking bullshit.

And, no, I don't believe that describes you.

 

[adrina]

I see exactly what you see, and my reaction to HIS behavior is similarly negative.

But this is where our perspectives depart because, while YOU may not be talking about the law, I am, and, far more importantly I am talking about those others, on both sides of the aisle who PRETEND TO BE TALKING ABOUT THE LAW and, in fact, either don't know what they're talking about OR, far worse, know damn well that they are talking bullshit and know perfectly well WHY they are talking bullshit.

And, no, I don't believe that describes you.

While I agree it is important to make the distinction between legal and illegal, I also think that it is singular in dimension. The reality is that it's a pretty low bar when we judge the performance of our president, his associates, his appointees etc on whether their actions are merely legal. The reality that we are even forced to exam their actions so often for legality is telling enough. It's not like the email and Benghazi that was beat to death. We get something new a couple few times a week. Sometimes more. Overwhelming is an understatement.

But yes we do need to keep looking for the legal vs illegal. Even if it won't matter one iota as long as there is a republican led house and senate. Especially in this political climate. Facts do still matter - regardless of this current situation.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Idiot.

Ishmael

Oh, I was hoping for something a little better than that from you, sir. A man of your education.

So to be clear, how would you characterize the son of the President negotiating with a foreign adversary for information to be used to influence the outcome of the presidential election?

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Idiot.

Ishmael

REALLY!!?!?!?!!

Muffin and I are astonished to find out that absolutely nothing Junior admitted to is against the law.

How 'bout you?

As much as I do like to see you exercise your intellect in support of the law, I will leave the establishing the legality of Trump Jr's collusion to Robert Mueller and the judgment to the courts. Thanks.

As to the President Trump's actions constituting obstruction to protect his son, I would leave that to Mueller and the Congress.

 

[BoyNextDoor]

Go get your hormones checked. The "inner circle" committed NO illegality beyond winning the election fair and square.

Ishmael

The outcome of the election is not in question. Never was.

 

[phrodeau]

As much as I do like to see you exercise your intellect in support of the law, I will leave the establishing the legality of Trump Jr's collusion to Robert Mueller and the judgment to the courts. Thanks.

As to the President Trump's actions constituting obstruction to protect his son, I would leave that to Mueller and the Congress.

I think the argument is that since nothing came out of the meeting, there was no collusion. Something of value has to change hands, and there wasn't anything. There was only the attempt at collusion, and the glee of hoping to commit collusion. It's an American right, the pursuit of happiness, you know.