Woman who sexually abused teenager on flight gets eight months house arrest

[Chris_Michael]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-sexually-abused-teenager-flight-105300730.html

So, women... how bad do you have it in America exactly? If a man did this, he would be on a sex registry, no-fly list, and he'd be facing years in prison. At one point, men who weren't relatives of children could not sit next to a child on a flight (airline rules, not law).

The victim was a 19-year-old female. So, we're not talking about a small child, but still... what kind of fucked up person does this? More importantly, how many times has this gone unreported?

If we have a rape culture, then women are part of the problem.

 

[phrodeau]

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[Boxlicker101]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-sexually-abused-teenager-flight-105300730.html

So, women... how bad do you have it in America exactly? If a man did this, he would be on a sex registry, no-fly list, and he'd be facing years in prison. At one point, men who weren't relatives of children could not sit next to a child on a flight (airline rules, not law).

The victim was a 19-year-old female. So, we're not talking about a small child, but still... what kind of fucked up person does this? More importantly, how many times has this gone unreported?

If we have a rape culture, then women are part of the problem.

If a man did this, he would get about ten years in the slam. As for Trump, the hypothetical woman to whom he referred was willing.

ETA: Another example of a woman getting away with something a man would not be permitted to do.

 

[badbabysitter]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/woman-sexually-abused-teenager-flight-105300730.html

So, women... how bad do you have it in America exactly? If a man did this, he would be on a sex registry, no-fly list, and he'd be facing years in prison. At one point, men who weren't relatives of children could not sit next to a child on a flight (airline rules, not law).

Or he would be the President

The victim was a 19-year-old female. So, we're not talking about a small child, but still... what kind of fucked up person does this? More importantly, how many times has this gone unreported?

The vast majority of sexual assault cases never reach the courtroom, how could you not know this?

If we have a rape culture, then women are part of the problem.

Yup, a really really small problem in comparison to the men, but still a problem

 

[TheWhiteBull]

The vast majority of sexual assault cases never reach the courtroom, how could you not know this?

While that is an often cited fact, it is usually in the context of speaking about females being sexually harassed. I can't speak for Chris but I get the sense that his statement might also be about reporting in the sense of "news" as we do hear about some high-profile cases but generally speaking men are stereotyped as being the perpetrators and not victims of sexual assault/rape.

http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl..._reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html

It was only in 2012 that the FBI even began including men in sexual assault statistics as victims.

 

[badbabysitter]

Wow, there is a special place in hell for rape apologists like you

If a man did this, he would get about ten years in the slam.

Load of shit, the most cursory google search will bring up dozens of cases of men walking free or a spank on the wrist for rape charges

As for Trump, the hypothetical woman to whom he referred was willing.

A rapist says the woman wanted it, and your instant reaction is to agree with him. There are no words to describe how much of a piece of shit you are

ETA: Another example of a woman getting away with something a man would not be permitted to do.

Brock turner got 6 months for raping an unconscious woman

A group of 4 teen boys video taped a multiple hours gangrape cumulating with attempted murder and one of them got three months probation while the others walked free

The heir to the DuPont fortune raped his three year old daughter, found guilty and did no time due fears he might not do well in prison

Austin Clem raped a woman , would only serve jail time if he violated his probation

Mark Thompson, a marine, lied under oath, falsified evidence to support his claims.. did 60 days for sexually assaulting two women

Sir Young, assaulteda 14 year old.. but since the teen had sex before with other people the judge decided she wasnt really a victim, so he got probation

should I go on?????

 

[badbabysitter]

While that is an often cited fact, it is usually in the context of speaking about females being sexually harassed. I can't speak for Chris but I get the sense that his statement might also be about reporting in the sense of "news" as we do hear about some high-profile cases but generally speaking men are stereotyped as being the perpetrators and not victims of sexual assault/rape.

http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl..._reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html

It was only in 2012 that the FBI even began including men in sexual assault statistics as victims.

Dude, I am in no way denying that men get assualted

I just find incredible umbrage with his theory women get away with it and men wouldnt .. you just have to do the most casual google search to find oodles of cases where men got a slap on the wrist

 

[Chris_Michael]

While that is an often cited fact, it is usually in the context of speaking about females being sexually harassed. I can't speak for Chris but I get the sense that his statement might also be about reporting in the sense of "news" as we do hear about some high-profile cases but generally speaking men are stereotyped as being the perpetrators and not victims of sexual assault/rape.

http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl..._reveals_that_men_are_sexually_assaulted.html

It was only in 2012 that the FBI even began including men in sexual assault statistics as victims.

Yep. This. ^^^

 

[badbabysitter]

Yep. This. ^^^

Which I no way disagreed with.. but I still stand by my point in which you completely dismiss mountains of cases where men got a slap on the wrist

 

[badbabysitter]

also the Misoula report which is referenced in the slate article has been universally discredited.. mainly because one of their data groups were men charged with sexual assault

you might want to look at the 2016 study that shows one in 16 men has been the victim of sexual assault

 

[jaF0]

Or he would be the President

Have you got a link to a bigger version of your AV?

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Which I no way disagreed with.. but I still stand by my point in which you completely dismiss mountains of cases where men got a slap on the wrist

I did no such thing. Many men do get nothing more. The two largest crime problems in my area are meth and sexual assault related. They publish mugshots monthly of all the people incarcerated in the 5 local counties, a good quarter to third of them involve sexual assault but few of them see any serious jail time because our county prisons are so overcrowded and were built like 50 years ago.

also the Misoula report which is referenced in the slate article has been universally discredited.. mainly because one of their data groups were men charged with sexual assault

you might want to look at the 2016 study that shows one in 16 men has been the victim of sexual assault.

Thank you, I didn't know about either one of those and I'll be sure to look into them. Who was the '16 study by? Although I'm not sure why having men charged with sexual assault in there would be an issue. Just off the top of my head I'm uncertain as to why the perpetrator of one crime can't also be the victim of another.

 

[nowisthetime]

So you brought out ONE case as an example?

Maybe you can go ahead and join a local 'men without women' group since every one of your posts features some form of bitching against the evils of women.


A similar issue arises whenever a story emerges about a woman (usually a teacher) committing statutory sex with an underage boy.

And you know who comes in and cheers that shit on in the comments section?

MEN!

Don't act like there aren't many men who bemoan that they 'wish they had a teacher like that' in school. Or scream "attaboy", minimizing illegal sexual contact between an adult female and an underage person.

It's MEN who cheer that crap on. And the justice system is overwhelmingly composed of men. Congress, who makes laws, is entirely made up of men. As far as perpetrators, more sexual crimes are committed by men, not women.

So don't you dare harp on WOMEN regarding this case. You are grasping at straws.

You really have unresolved issues with women, seek therapy on that.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

Maybe you can go ahead and join a local 'men without women' group since every one of your posts features some form of bitching against the evils of women.

Actually most of his posts are on the subject of religion. Sorry but it's not always about you .

A similar issue arises whenever a story emerges about a woman (usually a teacher) committing statutory sex with an underage boy.

And you know who comes in and cheers that shit on in the comments section?

MEN!

Don't act like there aren't many men who bemoan that they 'wish they had a teacher like that' in school. Or scream "attaboy", minimizing illegal sexual contact between an adult female and an underage person.It's MEN who cheer that crap on.

Just because some men do that doesn't mean that all of us do. Nobodies at all denying that that happens.

And the justice system is overwhelmingly composed of men. Congress, who makes laws, is entirely made up of men. As far as perpetrators, more sexual crimes are committed by men, not women.

So don't you dare harp on WOMEN regarding this case. You are grasping at straws.

You really have unresolved issues with women, seek therapy on that.

The congress as a whole, and the house/senate respectively all are composed of 20% women as of this year. While that is still overwhelmingly male it is by no means completely.

Nobody is also denying the fact that men are more often the perpetrators of sexual violence and assault. Merely trying to bring light to the fact that men are also victims of it as well. Take the more recent study BadBabysitter mentioned. At those rates men are only 3 times less likely to be a victim than women.

 

[Chris_Michael]

So you brought out ONE case as an example?

Maybe you can go ahead and join a local 'men without women' group since every one of your posts features some form of bitching against the evils of women.


A similar issue arises whenever a story emerges about a woman (usually a teacher) committing statutory sex with an underage boy.

And you know who comes in and cheers that shit on in the comments section?

MEN!

Don't act like there aren't many men who bemoan that they 'wish they had a teacher like that' in school. Or scream "attaboy", minimizing illegal sexual contact between an adult female and an underage person.

It's MEN who cheer that crap on. And the justice system is overwhelmingly composed of men. Congress, who makes laws, is entirely made up of men. As far as perpetrators, more sexual crimes are committed by men, not women.

So don't you dare harp on WOMEN regarding this case. You are grasping at straws.

You really have unresolved issues with women, seek therapy on that.

What the fuck are you smoking? I don't post that much about women unless it's about feminist bullshit or double standards.

The reason most of my posts involve women is because so many feminists and female Liberals support ISLAM. Seriously, there are feminists saying that Islam is the most feminist religion and Sharia Law is the most feminist law.

You're obviously just zoning in on the posts that have to do with women. Gee sorry that I criticize your sex. It's not like I treat men any better. Men can be manipulative and they are far far more aggressive.

 

[badbabysitter]

I did no such thing. Many men do get nothing more. The two largest crime problems in my area are meth and sexual assault related. They publish mugshots monthly of all the people incarcerated in the 5 local counties, a good quarter to third of them involve sexual assault but few of them see any serious jail time because our county prisons are so overcrowded and were built like 50 years ago.

My apologies, I conflated yours and Chris michaels together in my haste

Thank you, I didn't know about either one of those and I'll be sure to look into them. Who was the '16 study by? Although I'm not sure why having men charged with sexual assault in there would be an issue. Just off the top of my head I'm uncertain as to why the perpetrator of one crime can't also be the victim of another.

LT ironically enough posted it in one of his threads. The Misoula study was insanely flawed, the methodology, the test groups, the fact it was one town.

There is absolutely no reason why a perpetrator cant be the victim of another crime, but the Misoula study treated a criminal defense as empirical proof. They would ask men who were facing sexual assault charges if they commited sexual assault. Strangely not one of them said what they did was a sexual assualy, but many were quick to say that it was their victim that assaulted them

 

[badbabysitter]

Have you got a link to a bigger version of your AV?

Nope, can't even remember where I got it in the first place, sorry

 

[Tigersman]

When you talk about rape, you have to remember that the majority of all rape laws were drafted and passed by men. Next you have to consider that the US was founded by men, for men and against women. No where in our Constitution does it mention women. At the time our Constitution was drafted women were nothing more than chattel.

Even today we have judges that try to lay part of the blame on women for their rape. Try telling the sixty or seventy year old woman who thinks she locked her doors and windows, who went to bed in an ankle length flannel night gown with the sheet, blanket and comforter pulled up to her neck that she is partly or fully to blame for her rape.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

LT ironically enough posted it in one of his threads. The Misoula study was insanely flawed, the methodology, the test groups, the fact it was one town.

There is absolutely no reason why a perpetrator cant be the victim of another crime, but the Misoula study treated a criminal defense as empirical proof. They would ask men who were facing sexual assault charges if they commited sexual assault. Strangely not one of them said what they did was a sexual assualy, but many were quick to say that it was their victim that assaulted them

Makes sense but what exactly is the Misoula report? Is it the National Crime Victimization Survey that the article references, or the interpretation by Stemple and Meyer of several surveys, because I couldnt find anything by that name.

 

[TheWhiteBull]

When you talk about rape, you have to remember that the majority of all rape laws were drafted and passed by men. Next you have to consider that the US was founded by men, for men and against women. No where in our Constitution does it mention women. At the time our Constitution was drafted women were nothing more than chattel.

Being made by men is probably part of the reason men were only included in statistics on rape so recently, because many men will not think of a man as capable of being raped by a woman. Genders can be much harder on themselves than on the opposite one.

I'll have to find a study on it but my (female) psychology professor told me there had been ones that showed women gave other women harsher criminal sentences than men did.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Wow, there is a special place in hell for rape apologists like you

I am not and never have been an apologist for rapists. In this case, I am complaining because the perp got off so easy, and I have complained about that frequently. I am also saying men usually get treated much more harshly than women do, and I will stand by that. Have you ever heard of a woman getting the death penalty for rape? This has happened to men.

Load of shit, the most cursory google search will bring up dozens of cases of men walking free or a spank on the wrist for rape charges

This has happened, and these are miscarriages of justice. The thing to do is to require judges to stand for election, so the citizens can boot them from office at the first opportunity. In the case of Brock Turner, I am looking forward voting against the judge in that case, just as I joined millions of Californians in turning out Rose Bird a few years ago.

A rapist says the woman wanted it, and your instant reaction is to agree with him. There are no words to describe how much of a piece of shit you are

This is a reference to something Trump allegedly said a long time ago. He did not say the woman wanted it; he said the hypothetical woman was willing to allow the sexual liberties being described. If she is willing, it's not rape.

Brock turner got 6 months for raping an unconscious woman

A group of 4 teen boys video taped a multiple hours gangrape cumulating with attempted murder and one of them got three months probation while the others walked free

The heir to the DuPont fortune raped his three year old daughter, found guilty and did no time due fears he might not do well in prison

Austin Clem raped a woman , would only serve jail time if he violated his probation

Mark Thompson, a marine, lied under oath, falsified evidence to support his claims.. did 60 days for sexually assaulting two women

Sir Young, assaulteda 14 year old.. but since the teen had sex before with other people the judge decided she wasnt really a victim, so he got probation

should I go on?????

These are examples of miscarriages of justice I mentioned earlier. The judges should be kicked off the bench, and I intend to vote against the Brock Turner judge when the opportunity arises.

ETA: It may come sooner than I realized. There is a movement to recall the asshole judge in this case. If you live in Santa Clara County, as I do, you can join it. http://www.recallaaronpersky.com/about

We need judges who understand violence against women and take it seriously. We are hoping that Judge Persky will do the right thing and step down now, but we are preparing to recall him from office if he does not.

As often happens in judicial elections, Judge Persky is unopposed for re-election this year and the filing deadline for candidates to challenge him has passed. Recall efforts require the signatures of at least 20% of the votes in the most recent election in Santa Clara County. On June 26, 2017, we filed our Notice of Intent to circulate a recall petition, the first step in the recall process. We expect to begin gathering signatures in July 2017 – but there is much work that needs to be done now to prepare for the campaign. Recall efforts are complicated and expensive - which is why we need your help. Please sign up as a volunteer, contribute today, or endorse the campaign to help us recall Judge Persky.

 

[Chris_Michael]

It's not worth it box. She has demonstrated her complete inability to think logically, and she will strawman the shit out of you.

 

[dan_c00000]

The victim was a 19-year-old female. So, we're not talking about a small child, but still... what kind of fucked up person does this?

What if it were a guy-on-guy situation? Would you be pissed or titillated?

 

[Boxlicker101]

What if it were a guy-on-guy situation? Would you be pissed or titillated?

Personally, I would be pissed at any kind of sexual battery or rape situation.

 

[badbabysitter]

I am not and never have been an apologist for rapists. In this case, I am complaining because the perp got off so easy, and I have complained about that frequently. I am also saying men usually get treated much more harshly than men do, and I will stand by that. Have you ever heard of a woman getting the death penalty for rape?

Women get put to death for being raped in Saudi Arabia. All. The. Time.

And men do get treated harshly for rape, but do you honestly think for a second that women dont get punished harshly for being raped? There are always two people on trial in a sexual assault case, the perpetrator and the victim. And if you dont think that's true, you need to get out more

This has happened, and these are miscarriages of justice. The thing to do is to require judges to stand for election, so the citizens can boot them from office at the first opportunity. In the case of Brock Turner, I am looking forward voting against the judge in that case, just as I joined millions of Californians in turning out Rose Bird a few years ago.

Did you know that in less then one third of all campus sexual assault investigations is there any actual punishment for the men who are actually found guilty?

This is a reference to something Trump allegedly said a long time ago. He did not say the woman wanted it; he said the hypothetical woman was willing to allow the sexual liberties being described. If she is willing, it's not rape.

OMG. And you double down on being a rape apologist.

The only person, and I do mean the ONLY person who has said she was willing was the perpetrator. And if you dont think for a second that quite possibly a person would lie about that makes you the apologist. You are literally taking him at his word. And then turning around and lecturing us about how bad it is for the man

Hope you die in a fire