How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[EternalFantasies]

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[xfrodobagginsx]

But Jesus was dead at that time. He couldn't resurrect a dung beetle.

Your entire religious dogma hangs on that one idea - that Jesus completely died and for three days (or two days, if you actually count them) there was no more God.

You seriously misunderstand who God is. There is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. While it is true that Jesus was physically dead for 3 days, the Father was still on His throne and the Holy Spirit was very much alive.

Also, when Christ rose from the dead 3 days later, many people WERE resurrected.

Mt 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

 

[phrodeau]

You seriously misunderstand who God is. There is God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit. While it is true that Jesus was physically dead for 3 days, the Father was still on His throne and the Holy Spirit was very much alive.

Also, when Christ rose from the dead 3 days later, many people WERE resurrected.

Mt 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

I guess I do. There goes any hope of believing in him.

Is he one god split three ways? When Jesus died, was he only 2/3rds of a god for three days? Or is he three gods with two of them giving the third some time off?

And was it three days or two? I'm pretty sure that the prophecies pointed to three days. Jesus even said so, in a weird metaphorical way. But he died on a Friday, right? Good Friday, the Sabbath (mentioned in Matthew 28), then Easter Sunday. Only two days.

That quote from Matthew about resurrected saints comes in Matthew 27 after Jesus died and before he was entombed. If Jesus resurrected them after he resurrected himself, it would have been in the next chapter.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

I guess I do. There goes any hope of believing in him.

Is he one god split three ways? When Jesus died, was he only 2/3rds of a god for three days? Or is he three gods with two of them giving the third some time off?

And was it three days or two? I'm pretty sure that the prophecies pointed to three days. Jesus even said so, in a weird metaphorical way. But he died on a Friday, right? Good Friday, the Sabbath (mentioned in Matthew 28), then Easter Sunday. Only two days.

That quote from Matthew about resurrected saints comes in Matthew 27 after Jesus died and before he was entombed. If Jesus resurrected them after he resurrected himself, it would have been in the next chapter.

That's your choice. No one is forcing you too, however, the consequences are eternal and dire.

He is one God with three distinct personalities, which are all 100% God in their own right. The Father=100% God, the Son=100% God, the Spirit=100% God.

In the eastern Countries, the way that they counted was different than we count in the west. It's a well known fact. They counted the day that He was crucified as the first day. We wouldn't count it as one until the next day, 24 hours later. Just like in asia today, the moment that you are born, you are considered to be 1. Here in the west you wouldn't be 1 until you were 365 days old. So, Friday to Sunday, in that culture would be considered 3 days. Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

If you were to read that passage a bit closer, you would have noticed that it WAS after He resurrected:

Mt 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

 

[phrodeau]

That's your choice. No one is forcing you too, however, the consequences are eternal and dire.

He is one God with three distinct personalities, which are all 100% God in their own right. The Father=100% God, the Son=100% God, the Spirit=100% God.

In the eastern Countries, the way that they counted was different than we count in the west. It's a well known fact. They counted the day that He was crucified as the first day. We wouldn't count it as one until the next day, 24 hours later. Just like in asia today, the moment that you are born, you are considered to be 1. Here in the west you wouldn't be 1 until you were 365 days old. So, Friday to Sunday, in that culture would be considered 3 days. Friday, Saturday and Sunday.

If you were to read that passage a bit closer, you would have noticed that it WAS after He resurrected:

Mt 27:52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, 53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.

So it belongs in chapter 28. In two thousand years this simple flaw has never been corrected.

Different ways of counting days, really? And western religions just went right along with them without any thought to proper math. Is that what you would teach your children, along with the planet being a few years old and that Noah's ark carried a pair of velociraptors?

 

[Tryharder62]

Did God die when Jesus died on the cross? The answer depends on how a person understands the meaning of the word die. To die does not mean to go out of existence. Death is separation. Physical death is when the soul-spirit separates from the physical body. So, in that sense, yes, God died, because Jesus was God in human form, and Jesus’ soul-spirit separated from His body (John 19:30). However, if by “death” we mean “a cessation of existence,” then, no, God did not die. For God to “die” in that sense would mean that He ceased to exist, and neither the Father nor the Son nor the Holy Spirit will ever cease to exist. The Son, the second Person of the Trinity, left the body He temporarily inhabited on Earth, but His divine nature did not die, nor could it.


Hmmmm...much like the law of thermodynamics!!!

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

So it belongs in chapter 28. In two thousand years this simple flaw has never been corrected.

Different ways of counting days, really? And western religions just went right along with them without any thought to proper math. Is that what you would teach your children, along with the planet being a few years old and that Noah's ark carried a pair of velociraptors?

No, it belongs exactly where it is. Since there have never been any changes to the original manuscripts of the Bible, no "corrections" have ever been made, nor have they been needed. It's God's word.

Yes, you obviously are ignorant of that fact. It's not about proper math, it's about culture. It's STILL like that in the eastern nations. China for one counts a new born baby as 1. Look it up. It's not just a few years old, it's 6000 years old and yes Noah's ark did carry a pair of baby velociraptors. The animals that were carried on the ark were b a b i e s making them smaller, less dangerous, easier to care for, and more able to reproduce once they go back to the wild.

 

[Saint Peter]

Never been any changes!

 

[phrodeau]

No, it belongs exactly where it is. Since there have never been any changes to the original manuscripts of the Bible, no "corrections" have ever been made, nor have they been needed. It's God's word.

Yes, you obviously are ignorant of that fact. It's not about proper math, it's about culture. It's STILL like that in the eastern nations. China for one counts a new born baby as 1. Look it up. It's not just a few years old, it's 6000 years old and yes Noah's ark did carry a pair of baby velociraptors. The animals that were carried on the ark were b a b i e s making them smaller, less dangerous, easier to care for, and more able to reproduce once they go back to the wild.

Your creed says that you believe Jesus was resurrected on the third day, and you know that is wrong.

And I'm totally sure that collecting velociraptor babies wasn't dangerous at all.

 

[Hard_Rom]

... and yes Noah's ark did carry a pair of baby velociraptors. The animals that were carried on the ark were b a b i e s making them smaller, less dangerous, easier to care for, and more able to reproduce once they go back to the wild.

Wow!

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[Freudian_Slit]

It's not just a few years old, it's 6000 years old...

The amount of cognitive dissonance necessary to make that statement from a computer is breathtaking.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Amazing how fast continents move in 6000 years. Or how wrong nuclear scientists are with things like radioactive element half-lives. I guess other stars can't be anymore than 6000 light years away. Does make the universe much smaller. Bit of a waste of money for those big telescopes which can look back a few billion years.

 

[Tryharder62]

On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures.

Friday(1) Saturday(2) Sunday(3)

Not so hard

(I realize I am just talking to myself, but hey, somebody has to do it)

Clue: Jewish people observe the Shabbat (the Jewish Sabbath) from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. It just seems like common sense to look at time the way it was observed then and now when calculating the 3 days and 3 nights.

After all ..... remember Jesus didn't wear a Rolex.

Reminds me of Good old Ray Stevens again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYgRKHrmrM8

 

[Tryharder62]

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This is the lady that I threaten my kids I am going to act like at their band concerts, football games, plays, and musicals. It scares them to death. I have them right where I want them.

CLICK BELOW VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxOGqOk8cxk

 

[phrodeau]

On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures.

Friday(1) Saturday(2) Sunday(3)

Not so hard

(I realize I am just talking to myself, but hey, somebody has to do it)

Clue: Jewish people observe the Shabbat (the Jewish Sabbath) from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. It just seems like common sense to look at time the way it was observed then and now when calculating the 3 days and 3 nights.

After all ..... remember Jesus didn't wear a Rolex.

Reminds me of Good old Ray Stevens again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYgRKHrmrM8

Three days and three nights would be 72 hours.

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

The ninth hour would be mid-afternoon.

Matthew 27:54 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple.

Joseph and others prepared the body and sealed it in the tomb. Was this work done on Friday night, the Sabbath?

Matthew 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,

63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

Saturday, apparently. Notice the quote, after three days, not within three days.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

End of the sabbath is Saturday dusk. Dawn happens much later, Sunday morning.

Elapsed time, approximately 40 hours. Nowhere near 72.

 

[ishtat]

I suspect that Dung beetles have had a greater creative influence in the world than either Yeshua ben Joseph or his other Dad.

And there's plenty of material in this thread for them to work on.

Maybe God is a Dung beetle.

 

[Tryharder62]

Three days and three nights would be 72 hours.

Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying, Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me?

The ninth hour would be mid-afternoon.

Matthew 27:54 When the even was come, there came a rich man of Arimathaea, named Joseph, who also himself was Jesus' disciple.

Joseph and others prepared the body and sealed it in the tomb. Was this work done on Friday night, the Sabbath?

Matthew 27:62 Now the next day, that followed the day of the preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees came together unto Pilate,

63 Saying, Sir, we remember that that deceiver said, while he was yet alive, After three days I will rise again.

Saturday, apparently. Notice the quote, after three days, not within three days.

Matthew 28:1 In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.

2 And, behold, there was a great earthquake: for the angel of the Lord descended from heaven, and came and rolled back the stone from the door, and sat upon it.

End of the sabbath is Saturday dusk. Dawn happens much later, Sunday morning.

Elapsed time, approximately 40 hours. Nowhere near 72.

First of all, who made you the biblical time wizard. No where did Jesus say that "I will be back in 72 hours".

Today if I told you I would see you today - would it still be today if I showed up at 9 in the morning or 9 in the evening. For us it is still today. For them to come today would be to come either in the evening before or until sundown today. We do day night as one day. They did night day as one day. Sundown to sundown.

Pretty simple if you put yourself in their sphere of reference instead of trying to force them into ours. Jesus was talking to them.

 

[Tryharder62]

I suspect that Dung beetles have had a greater creative influence in the world than either Yeshua ben Joseph or his other Dad.

And there's plenty of material in this thread for them to work on.

Maybe God is a Dung beetle.

No, I don't think God eats sh**, but I do think he puts up with a lot of it.

 

[EternalFantasies]

This is the lady that I threaten my kids I am going to act like at their band concerts, football games, plays, and musicals. It scares them to death. I have them right where I want them.

CLICK BELOW VVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVV

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DxOGqOk8cxk

The lady i posted must've scared the kids in here a bit too

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

The amount of cognitive dissonance necessary to make that statement from a computer is breathtaking.

K thanks

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Never been any changes!

Nope.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Your creed says that you believe Jesus was resurrected on the third day, and you know that is wrong.

And I'm totally sure that collecting velociraptor babies wasn't dangerous at all.

It's not wrong and I explained to you why.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Amazing how fast continents move in 6000 years. Or how wrong nuclear scientists are with things like radioactive element half-lives. I guess other stars can't be anymore than 6000 light years away. Does make the universe much smaller. Bit of a waste of money for those big telescopes which can look back a few billion years.

It's actually believed by creationists that the continents drifted quickly during the flood. "The fountains of the deep" poured out and if you look at Google Earth image of the earth in the middle of the Atlantic Ocean, you will see a huge rip in the earth, which is probably where the fountains of the deep emerged during the flood as the Bible says. It's not about the half lives on radio metric dating, it's just that their methods don't line up with the actual evidence. That's why they dated rocks known to be only a few decades old, such as the rocks from Mt. St. Helens to be Millions of years old. Obviously there are flaws. There are theories as to why the stars are millions of light years away, given the fact that the earth is 6000 years old. One of the theories is that, due to the fact that the speed of light is not a contstant, it may have been much faster in the past. So, at the current speed of light, it would take millions of years to get to those stars, but perhaps at the speed that it previously traveled it was a much shorter time. That's why we need creationism to be taught side by side in schools with evolution, so that the students can get both sides of the story and decide for themselves which is true rather than having evolution shoved down their throats.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

On the third day he rose again in fulfillment of the scriptures.

Friday(1) Saturday(2) Sunday(3)

Not so hard

(I realize I am just talking to myself, but hey, somebody has to do it)

Clue: Jewish people observe the Shabbat (the Jewish Sabbath) from Friday sundown to Saturday sundown. It just seems like common sense to look at time the way it was observed then and now when calculating the 3 days and 3 nights.

After all ..... remember Jesus didn't wear a Rolex.

Reminds me of Good old Ray Stevens again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYgRKHrmrM8

Exactly. In their culture, the day of the event was counted as 1. Just as in China, a newborn babies age is counted as 1 at birth rather than on their first birthday.

 

[RubiDia]

That's your choice. No one is forcing you too, however, the consequences are eternal and dire.

He is one God with three distinct personalities, which are all 100% God in their own right. The Father=100% God, the Son=100% God, the Spirit=100% God.

Who decides if you get in?