When will the youth pendulum swing start?

[renard_ruse]

I've been waiting for it since the 90s. Keeps getting worse each 5 to 10 years instead of better.

In the past there have always been generational pendulum swings on cultural and political attitudes.


1920s = liberal
1930s-1950s = more conservative
1960s-70s = liberal
1980s-mid 90s = more conservative
mid-90s - mid 2000s = liberal
mid 2000s - present = ridiculously liberal

The swings aren't evenly spread, they can vary from 10-15 years to 30 or more years. But they have always happened. It appears we should be due for a major correction in youth culture and attitudes soon, unless things are fundamentally different now for some reason.

 

[HisArpy]

I've been waiting for it since the 90s. Keeps getting worse each 5 to 10 years instead of better.

In the past there have always been generational pendulum swings on cultural and political attitudes.


1920s = liberal
1930s-1950s = more conservative
1960s-70s = liberal
1980s-mid 90s = more conservative
mid-90s - mid 2000s = liberal
mid 2000s - present = ridiculously liberal

The swings aren't evenly spread, they can vary from 10-15 years to 30 or more years. But they have always happened. It appears we should be due for a major correction in youth culture and attitudes soon, unless things are fundamentally different now for some reason.

It's going to take a major overhaul of our education system before it happens. Kids are being indoctrinated starting in K all the way up through college. That needs to change but it will take awhile. And then we have to grow those eventual adult voters. So we're looking at another 20+ years.

 

[renard_ruse]

Will millenial attitudes move toward the center as they age?

We saw that pretty clearly with the Baby Boomers. The Baby Boomers were supposed to be the generation that won the fight for the liberals once and for all. They were supposedly the radical generation to end all radical generations, the hippies. While this was actually exagerated to a large extent and there was always division among them, there was some truth to it. The group has moved toward the right over the years as a whole.

Generation X on the other hand, was quite politically conservative when they were young (if not necessarily culturally so). This was particularly true for the early part of the generation, with the 90s youth being more divided and polarized. Over the years, it seems that Gen X has actually moved marginally toward the left, which goes against the overall historical trend of generations becoming more conservative as they age. They are still much less liberal than than millenials though.

So, could we see a mid-life attitudinal swing among millenials or Gen Z? Or is all lost for the future of mankind?

 

[hashtag34]

This is a good reading too:
www.fourthturning.com/

 

[hashtag69]

This is a good reading too:
www.fourthturning.com/

Bannon, is that you?

 

[Conager]

It's going to take a major overhaul of our education system before it happens. Kids are being indoctrinated starting in K all the way up through college. That needs to change but it will take awhile. And then we have to grow those eventual adult voters. So we're looking at another 20+ years.

This is lengthing the interval, but humans are resistant to dogma when the see it in actual practice. When liberals are out of power they can preach about their Utopias and it sounds appealing when there are in power and nothing changes or it gets worse pretty quickly people come to understand why those ideas are fatally flawed.

The only people I know who have maintained a liberal ideology for decades, have some vested interest in the state providing something for them or providing for those that they would other have wise have to provide for.

People are heavily invested in their self identity is being good little liberals as they get old suddenly become fiscal conservatives and strident social liberals.

In response to the original post though I read an article recently about polling suggesting the upcoming generation is expressing stronger interest in traditional roles and a traditional, nuclear families. That remains to be seen whether they will be able to accomplish that given that they have had very little positive role modeling in that regard, and the traditional institutions that supported that are badly eroded.

 

[hashtag34]

Will millenial attitudes move toward the center as they age?

We saw that pretty clearly with the Baby Boomers. The Baby Boomers were supposed to be the generation that won the fight for the liberals once and for all. They were supposedly the radical generation to end all radical generations, the hippies. While this was actually exagerated to a large extent and there was always division among them, there was some truth to it. The group has moved toward the right over the years as a whole.

Generation X on the other hand, was quite politically conservative when they were young (if not necessarily culturally so). This was particularly true for the early part of the generation, with the 90s youth being more divided and polarized. Over the years, it seems that Gen X has actually moved marginally toward the left, which goes against the overall historical trend of generations becoming more conservative as they age. They are still much less liberal than than millenials though.

So, could we see a mid-life attitudinal swing among millenials or Gen Z? Or is all lost for the future of mankind?

Boomers underwent the so- called "cultural revolution" during their youth. Live in the moment, enjoy your life, with more loose sexual practices and access to drugs. Only to see the negative effects of such excesses later in life, which pushed them towards a more conservative stance.
That period also saw a rise in feminism. As women became more interested in their careers, kids - strangely enough - were sometimes seen as an inconvenience.

Therefore, Xers were often raised in a stricter fashion.
And society often treated them in a double bind sort of way: on one hand it encouraged them to be more individualistic and cater to their own needs. On the other hand it punished them severely and there was a lot of stigma associated with giving in to their own vices.

Millenials had it the best in terms of upbringing.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

This is lengthing the interval, but humans are resistant to dogma when the see it in actual practice. When liberals are out of power they can preach about their Utopias and it sounds appealing when there are in power and nothing changes or it gets worse pretty quickly people come to understand why those ideas are fatally flawed.

The only people I know who have maintained a liberal ideology for decades, have some vested interest in the state providing something for them or providing for those that they would other have wise have to provide for.

People are heavily invested in their self identity is being good little liberals as they get old suddenly become fiscal conservatives and strident social liberals.

In response to the original post though I read an article recently about polling suggesting the upcoming generation is expressing stronger interest in traditional roles and a traditional, nuclear families. That remains to be seen whether they will be able to accomplish that given that they have had very little positive role modeling in that regard, and the traditional institutions that supported that are badly eroded.

I dunno, but it seems to me that generationally, kids just seem to tend to rebel against whatever their parents stand for, and I know this is as broad a generalization as the OP.

Princess surprises me, or maybe she's just the product of our rural culture, but every night that we were in DC, she went to sleep watching FOX and and she records and watches The Five every day. She and the Queen were Trump voters.

Don't ask me why. I couldn't pull the lever for the guy.

So I voted for the pothead...

 

[Libsam]

I've seen Gen Z called Generation Zyklon

 

[Wrong Element]

In the past there have always been generational pendulum swings on cultural and political attitudes.


1920s = liberal
1930s-1950s = more conservative
1960s-70s = liberal
1980s-mid 90s = more conservative
mid-90s - mid 2000s = liberal
mid 2000s - present = ridiculously liberal

I'm not sure I agree with this breakdown, mostly because cultural attitudes and political attitudes don't always track. I grew up in the '70s and my college years basically overlapped with Reagan's first term. Politically, kids were highly conservative and became only more so, but culturally the '70s were an extension of the '60s.

I don't know that youth today are "ridiculously liberal," but they're not going to sign on with a political point of view that denies climate change and won't accept the reality of gay rights. And Trump is practically lab-designed to be repellent to them.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Trump was pro-gay marriage long before Hillary and Barry "evolved" on the topic.


He's also being guided by the other Democrats in his family on most social issues.


Furthermore, "denier" is a slander meant to indicate the conversation is over, but if we go back 10-20 years and compare the predictions to the results it would seem that we should still be having an ongoing conversation before we send billions of dollars to nations who are allowed to continue to pollute based upon their best national interest.

 

[hashtag34]

Interesting view:

Generation Z Most Conservative Since WWII?
breakpoint.org/2017/03/kids-these-days/

"Millennials were raised in a time of roaring prosperity, when video cassettes were a bigger influence than digital technology, and many came of age before the age of radical Islamic terror. Gen Z kids, by contrast, are “digital natives.” They’ve never known life without the Internet, and have grown up surrounded by instant access to the world’s harsh realities on their smart phones.

Of course, generalizations at this stage are very early and very subject to development. But according to polling in the wake of the 2016 election, Gen Z Americans didn’t vote like their Millennial predecessors. Eight out of ten of these kids identify themselves as “fiscally conservative,” and they prefer saving to spending—at rates not seen since the Silent Generation.

And get this: According to one British study conducted by global consultancy firm, The Guild, almost sixty percent of Gen Z respondents in the U.K. described their views on “same-sex marriage, transgender rights and marijuana legalization” as “conservative” or “moderate,” compared with a whopping 83% of Millennials who called themselves “quite” or “very liberal” on these issues."

 

[hsnh]

Hey renard,
Such a coincidence.

This article just came up and it's a bit in line with how you were thinking.
It would be great if I manage to read your thoughts in it:

http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-10/fourth-turning-summer-rage-and-total-eclipse-deep-state