fat shaming

[VaticanAssassin]

What is wrong with it?

I am talking obese. Not slightly over weight, not "healthy" as I certainly am not a fan of a super skinny girl with no curves at all. But significantly overweight.

It is certainly acceptable to shame people for smoking.
We even charge them more for health care and life insurance.
Pass laws on where they can smoke.

So why do the super fat get a pass?


"Obesity is one of the biggest drivers of preventable chronic diseases and healthcare costs in the United States. Currently, estimates for these costs range from $147 billion to nearly $210 billion per year. In addition, obesity is associated with job absenteeism, costing approximately $4.3 billion annually and with lower productivity while at work, costing employers $506 per obese worker per year."

Perhaps some good shaming and educational commercials running around the clock are in order.

Don't you want to help people?

 

[hashtag69]

You're a small, impotent man, FatAss.

 

[Lancecastor]

We've had a FatChik immigration problem on the GB for years now.

They stream in here from the Playground unchecked...and next thing you know, they want the GB to adopt their religion.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

We've had a FatChik immigration problem on the GB for years now.

They stream in here from the Playground unchecked...and next thing you know, they want the GB to adopt their religion.

I am guessing you are talking about Wings?

I would not put her in this category. Actually I do not know who on LIT would fall in this category. But I am not the picture collector you are.

But is is a serious question. Through education, laws, and acceptable shaming smoking has decreased significantly.

Why should we protect people who are killing themselves and costing the public billions? Wouldn't a healthy dose of shaming be beneficial?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You might not have been here long enough, but one of the goto excuses for obesity from the Left (before it became an issue of them paying higher premiums even though they stayed fit and trim) was that it was caused by poverty, i.e., the cheapness of buying low-nutrient value foods and the consumption, which because they were nutrient poor, had to be excessive.


So clearly the cure for obesity is a national guaranteed minimum income and a more Liberal food stamp program.





More government "cheddah..."

 

[RobDownSouth]

I am guessing you are talking about Wings?

I would not put her in this category. Actually I do not know who on LIT would fall in this category. But I am not the picture collector you are.

But is is a serious question. Through education, laws, and acceptable shaming smoking has decreased significantly.

Why should we protect people who are killing themselves and costing the public billions? Wouldn't a healthy dose of shaming be beneficial?

Why not some positive reinforcement instead?
If you have a choice between the carrot and the stick, why do you opt for option 2?

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Why not some positive reinforcement instead?
If you have a choice between the carrot and the stick, why do you opt for option 2?

I grew up training horses. The carrot was always the first option. But sometimes, a stick was called for.
( No, I never actually used a stick, and only used crops for show)

I think we have been using the carrot for the last 10-5 years to no results.

Time to move to the stick.

 

[RobDownSouth]

I grew up training horses. The carrot was always the first option. But sometimes, a stick was called for.
( No, I never actually used a stick, and only used crops for show)

I think we have been using the carrot for the last 10-5 years to no results.

Time to move to the stick.

Okay, genuinely curious here, what in your estimation constitutes "using the carrot" recently? I know some enlightened health insurance companies pay for gym memberships, but cannot think of anything else?

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Okay, genuinely curious here, what in your estimation constitutes "using the carrot" recently? I know some enlightened health insurance companies pay for gym memberships, but cannot think of anything else?

- Health insurance incentives
- Company incentive( Many large companies now have gyms, gym discounts, stretching programs, healthy cafeterias, work space modification programs
- The current culture of protecting fat people from shaming
- Health food alternatives (from restaurants to fast food to the grocery store) are available more than ever today.

Yet the obsesses rate climbs and climbs

 

[Conager]

Smoking and overeating are not analogous because the drivers are completely different. In smoking the primary driver is an actual nicotine addiction with overeating it is a compulsion.

There is a (slight) biochemistry/neurological aspect to overeating in that the built-in preference for high caloric value foods is on overdrive. We are supposed to prefer those, and are supposed to tank up during times of plenty becausr proto-humans were at risk for burning more calories than they could find in a day.

Eating vast quantities when one is not on any objective basis hungry is a soothing behavior. That behavior is tied to feelings of low self-esteem, so fat shaming would exacerbate that, not inspire.

Leaving aside any value judgments about whether it's mean to do so or not, it would be counterproductive from a societal cost standpoint to attempt a shame campaign. It would have the opposite effect.

All morbidly obese people are aware of the fact that they are fat and they are aware of the fact that it is unhealthy. They can feel that and how it mobility.. ordinary movement leaves them short of breath, as it would me if I was carying a 150lb ruck.

The other extreme is also ineffective. Normalizing obesity helps tip some people down that slippery slope. They noticed that their lifestyle choices are adding pounds as mine currently are and they don't take any steps to remedialte because people tell them, "No, its fine. You look good." Most of the people that know me down in Tucson knew me when I was runner thin. I've gotten compliments at my more portly self that I look good when in fact I am less healthy than I was then.

If people are not encouraged to adapt their lifestyle when they start packing on a few pounds eventually they become unable to do the things that they would need to do to take the pounds off. They're no longer have the mobility necessary to adequately exercise.

Doctors should be having that talk with patients exhibiting weight gain, long before it is an actual problem. Metabolism slows down as we age.

 

[silver gurl]

It never fails, when we are at Walmart in the States, we see extremely over weight people using the power carts. In their baskets, ice cream, sodas and chips.
Don't see it much in Montreal

 

[Lancecastor]

I am guessing you are talking about Wings?

I would not put her in this category. But I am not the picture collector you are.

I was sent links to her actual current pics by some of her friends...holy Shamu!

She's a bigger tub of lard than any alleged woman on the GB.

More to the point, she's been using (very old) pics of herself here....it's the Liar part that I think deserves highlighting.

As for oinkers generally...yes, they should be encouraged to get healthy.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Much of it starts at an early age. The obese family in my neighbourhood when I grew up ate chocolate chip cookie ice cream sandwiches with brown sugar as a mid-morning snack. Even their dog was fat. All the other kids in the neighbourhood had apples for a mid-morning snack.

An obese buddy who has had gastric bypass has an adopted son. I have seen the unhealthy diet this kid eats. He is pudgy but not obese. So genetics is not part of the problem. If with another family and eating healthy he would be a skinny bone rack like most of the kids I grew up with.

And we grew up in the 70s out in the country. Today urban kids can go to a Tim Horton's or a Starbucks and buy some outrageously high caloric food and drinks easily. Out in the country we had to ride our bicycles two miles to get to a convenience store. Do country kids still do that or has the fear of predators and increased traffic put a stop to such healthy activities.

I truly believe we should tax the hell out of shitty food. A sugar and fat tax. But that would mean job losses in parts of the food industry as folk cut down on outrageously priced snacks. Or as an option cooked, made or baked their own at home. Maybe rationing would help. But this is also completely against certain countries feeling about individual rights. But without responsibility, rights are just an excuse to misbehave, be ignorant or hateful.

We have an aging baby boom. And not just aging but obese too. Healthcare and old age pensions are stressed enough.

It is not natural for humans to have high caloric foods available 24/7 365 days of the year.

Shaming is not the answer. Education and healthy diets as a child are.

If you have kids think next time you pick them up a box of donuts or lattes.

 

[Adre]

If you consume alcohol you engage in a behavior that costs society billions of dollars and tens of thousands of lives. Do you want to be publicly shamed?

 

[chillywilly2]

If you consume alcohol you engage in a behavior that costs society billions of dollars and tens of thousands of lives. Do you want to be publicly shamed?

That would just be rude

 

[Porkwarrior]

It never fails, when we are at Walmart in the States, we see extremely over weight people using the power carts. In their baskets, ice cream, sodas and chips.
Don't see it much in Montreal

Have I mentioned enough that Montreal is the greatest city in North America?
(WOOHOO and it's Grand Prix weekend!)

Hey, fat shaming is now a felony.

 

[chillywilly2]

Have I mentioned enough that Montreal is the greatest city in North America?
(WOOHOO and it's Grand Prix weekend!)

Hey, fat shaming is now a felony.

Like islamaphobia?

 

[Hard_Rom]

Its okay to hate the haters. But everyone else should be treated with politeness and consideration.

 

[Conager]

Its okay to hate the haters. But everyone else should be treated with politeness and consideration.

What about a big, fat, but charmingly polite Nazi?

 

[Hard_Rom]

What about a big, fat, but charmingly polite Nazi?

That describes the chief racist at my fishing club. Have to fight urge to put a boot in his ass and punt him in the drink.

What about a big, fat, but charmingly polite Nazi wearing a fur coat?

Top of the 'Up Against the Wall' list.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

If you consume alcohol you engage in a behavior that costs society billions of dollars and tens of thousands of lives. Do you want to be publicly shamed?

Do we not already shame drunks? Not people who drink, but drunks...

 

[Adre]

Do we not already shame drunks? Not people who drink, but drunks...

Guessing you've never been to a frat house or a Nantucket cocktail party.

 

[yossi]

Fat shaming is already a thing that happens.

 

[hashtag34]

Too many adds for chips and cheeseburgers on TV.
Why not start with those?

And I'm being told that when Michelle wanted to introduce healthy food in school cafeterias, she came across a brick wall.

The Deep State is fattening America.

 

[Luk]

I'm being told?
What? Your computer from 5 years ago is talking to you?