Dr David Evans: Global Warming is Manmade?

[KingOrfeo]

On the flip side, I really don't know what it takes to mine silicon . . .

Grab a bucket and go to a beach or desert.

 

[trysail]

Coal is far more expensive overall. There is the permanent scar on the Earth from the mining. There is the emissions into the air from burning it. It's very expensive to transport by truck, rail or water. And of course the miner's health. And there is the near constant feeding into the furnaces which has to be monitored..

Power generation by solar, wind and hydro is essentially 'free' once the equipment is manufactured and installed.

Jesus you are an ignorant motherfucker.

Ever heard of reclamation bonds?


Go take a look at the Powder River.



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[Hard_Rom]

Coal is far more expensive overall. There is the permanent scar on the Earth from the mining. There is the emissions into the air from burning it. It's very expensive to transport by truck, rail or water. And of course the miner's health. And there is the near constant feeding into the furnaces which has to be monitored..

Power generation by solar, wind and hydro is essentially 'free' once the equipment is manufactured and installed.

Hydro can have issues with mercury buildup and the fact you must flood a good area.

All the 'cleaner' new technology for newer coal plants is an offshoot of fighting global warming. It created jobs for designing and building scrubbers and stuff. Fossil fuels are not going away. We will burn them until there are none left. If you are mining coal for steel making, have no fears of losing your job. Depending on price of oil, oil production companies they always are hiring. In the mean time we have solar and wind being developed so that when we run out of fossil fuels (and we will!) they will be viable and cheap. Not under developed and pricey like they are now. Not the first time governments have funded high tech projects. Yanks went to the moon damn quick and for no real reason.

So you don't believe in global warming. Do you believe that fossil fuels will last forever? We better have cheap solid replacement energy by then.

When fossil fuels run low we will find much more profitable uses for them then heating homes. Even coal now only useful for burning for energy. Bitch about you electric bill now? Wait until we start to get billed for electricity generation based on burning oil at 1000 bucks a barrel. Rarer it is the more expensive it is.

 

[trysail]

Exiting the Mad Hatter’s climate tea party



By Paul Driesen

...From suggestions that Earth’s climate was balmy and stable until the modern industrial era, to assertions that humans can prevent climate change and extreme weather events by controlling atmospheric carbon dioxide levels – to claims that withdrawing from Paris would “imperil our planet’s very survival” – the entire process has been driven by computer models and hysteria that have no basis in empirical science.

There is no convincing real-world evidence that plant-fertilizing carbon dioxide has replaced the powerful natural forces that have driven Earth’s climate from time immemorial. Moreover, even if the United States totally eliminated its fossil fuels, atmospheric CO2 levels would continue to climb. China and India are building new coal-fired power plants at a feverish clip. So is Germany. And China is financing or building dozens of additional coal-burning electricity generators in Africa, Asia and elsewhere.

Plus, even if alarmists are right about CO2, and every nation met its commitments under Paris, average planetary temperatures in 2100 would be just 0.2 degrees Celsius (0.3 F) lower than if we did nothing. But “our closest allies” wanted Trump to abide by Obama’s commitment. Some did, because they want America to shackle its economy and drive energy prices into the stratosphere the same way they have. Others dearly want to follow a real leader, and walk away from the mad Paris tea party themselves.

But even poor countries signed the Paris treaty. Yes, they did – because they are under no obligation to reduce their coal, oil or natural gas use or their CO2 emissions. And because they were promised $100 billion a year in cash, plus free state-of-the-art energy technologies, from developed nations that would have become FMCs (formerly rich countries) as they slashed their energy use and de-industrialized.

But the Paris climate treaty was voluntary; the United States wouldn’t have to do all this. Right. Just like it’s voluntary for you to pay your taxes. China, India and poor developing countries don’t have to do anything. But the USA would have been obligated to slash its oil, gas and coal use and carbon dioxide emissions. It could impose tougher restrictions, but it could not weaken them. And make no mistake: our laws, Constitution, legal system, the Treaty on Treaties and endless lawsuits by environmentalist pressure groups before friendly judges would have ensured compliance and ever more punishing restrictions. But hundreds of companies say we should have remained in Paris. Of course they do. Follow the money.

If we are to avoid a climate cataclysm, “leading experts” say, the world must impose a $4-trillion-per-year global carbon tax, and spend $6.5 trillion a year until 2030 to switch every nation on Earth from fossil fuels to renewable energy. That’s a lot of loot for bankers, bureaucrats and crony corporatists.

But, they assure us, this transition and spending would bring unimaginable job creation and prosperity. If you believe that, you’d feel right at home in Alice’s Wonderland and Looking Glass world.

Who do you suppose would pay those princely sums? Whose jobs would be secure, and whose would be expendable: sacrificed on the altar of climate alarmism? Here’s the Planet Earth reality.

Right now, fossil fuels provide 80% of all the energy consumed in the USA – reliably and affordably, from relatively small land areas. Wind and solar account for 2% of overall energy needs, expensively and intermittently, from facilities across millions of acres. Biofuels provide 3% – mostly from corn grown on nearly 40 million acres. About 3% comes from hydroelectric, 3% from wood and trash, 9% from nuclear.

Kentucky, Ohio, West Virginia and other states that generate electricity with our abundant coal and natural gas pay 8 to 10 cents per kilowatt-hour. California, Connecticut, New York and other states that impose wind, solar and anti-fossil fuel mandates pay 15 to 18 cents. Families in closely allied ultra-green Euro countries pay an average of 26 US cents per kWh, but 36 cents in Germany, 37 cents in Denmark.

EU manufacturers are already warning that these prices could send companies, factories, jobs and CO2 emissions to China and other non-Euro countries. EU electricity prices have skyrocketed 55% since 2005; 40% of UK households are cutting back on food and other essentials, to pay for electricity; a tenth of all EU families now live in green energy poverty. Elderly people are dying because they can’t afford heat!

The Paris treaty would have done the same to the United States, and worse...​

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[Disgustipated]

Hey, dipshit. Those long bike rides, tennis games, jogs, and sailing of the sea of cheese you like so much?

 

[Ishmael]

Exiting the Mad Hatter’s climate tea party



By Paul Driesen

...From suggestions that Earth’s climate was balmy and stable until the modern industrial era, to assertions that humans can prevent climate change and extreme weather events by controlling atmospheric carbon dioxide levels – to claims that withdrawing from Paris would “imperil our planet’s very survival” – the entire process has been driven by computer models and hysteria that have no basis in empirical science.

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The Paris treaty would have done the same to the United States, and worse...​

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"Save the planet" my ass. The planet will still be here long after we're gone.

I find it amazing that the "Bernie" contingent have bought into the "Save the planet" mantra hook, line, and sinker. Apparently they didn't bother to look at the list of 'evil' corporations that were opposed to the pull out. In what alternate reality do they think those 'evil' corporations were for the Paris Accords because they were going to lose money? Their attention span is more or less the equivalent of a three year old's. "Look! There's a butterfly."

There is no 'science' that back up the alarmists claims, there are some measurements from which they extrapolate those claims, but each and every one of their models have fallen on it's ass. For Christ's sake, are they all calling 976-hollywood-psychic? And quite frankly I don['t care if they are. They can piss away as much of their own money as they want, but don't use the power of the government to demand that I pick up the phone and dial too.

Ishmael

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

"Save the planet" my ass. The planet will still be here long after we're gone.

I find it amazing that the "Bernie" contingent have bought into the "Save the planet" mantra hook, line, and sinker. Apparently they didn't bother to look at the list of 'evil' corporations that were opposed to the pull out. In what alternate reality do they think those 'evil' corporations were for the Paris Accords because they were going to lose money? Their attention span is more or less the equivalent of a three year old's. "Look! There's a butterfly."

There is no 'science' that back up the alarmists claims, there are some measurements from which they extrapolate those claims, but each and every one of their models have fallen on it's ass. For Christ's sake, are they all calling 976-hollywood-psychic? And quite frankly I don['t care if they are. They can piss away as much of their own money as they want, but don't use the power of the government to demand that I pick up the phone and dial too.

Ishmael

Miami Beach to begin new $100 million flood prevention project in face of sea level rise

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...ami-beach/article129284119.html#storylink=cpy

 

[Conager]

Miami Beach to begin new $100 million flood prevention project in face of sea level rise

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...ami-beach/article129284119.html#storylink=cpy

What sea level rise?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

What sea level rise?

Same one that Trump wants to spend money on.

 

[Disgustipated]

The top companies in the world, folks.

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But you dumbfucks just keep on keepin' on. You're much smarter than them or the entire rest of the world save a few third-world countries, right?

 

[Conager]

The top companies in the world, folks.

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But you dumbfucks just keep on keepin' on. You're much smarter than them or the entire rest of the world save a few third-world countries, right?

So, "evil corporations" run by "greedy capitalists" in search of "excess profits" are in favor of the Paris Climate Accords?

Begs the question: what's in it for them, since their sole reason for existence is to generate revenue and return profits for shareholders? Executives that don't do that are fired and replaced.

 

[Conager]

Same one that Trump wants to spend money on.

Which one is that?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

So, "evil corporations" run by "greedy capitalists" in search of "excess profits" are in favor of the Paris Climate Accords?

Begs the question: what's in it for them, since their sole reason for existence is to generate revenue and return profits for shareholders? Executives that don't do that are fired and replaced.

They get to keep more of their money and their nice house(s).

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Which one is that?

Donald Trump, the guy who is POTUS.

 

[Conager]

Donald Trump, the guy who is POTUS.

Why is he involved?

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Why is he involved?

That is what everyone is wondering.

 

[Conager]

They get to keep more of their money and their nice house(s).

Increases in government expenditures, taxes, and regulatory burdens lets them keep more of their money? How does that work?

 

[Conager]

That is what everyone is wondering.

Who is "everyone?" What are they wondering about?

 

[Disgustipated]

So, "evil corporations" run by "greedy capitalists" in search of "excess profits" are in favor of the Paris Climate Accords?

Begs the question: what's in it for them, since their sole reason for existence is to generate revenue and return profits for shareholders? Executives that don't do that are fired and replaced.

And how about the rest of the entire world? It's alright, Bloomberg is doing his part to not fuck this all to hell.

You just keep arguing with the smartest, most successful people on the planet - it's got you this far in life.

 

[Ishmael]

Miami Beach to begin new $100 million flood prevention project in face of sea level rise

Read more here: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/loc...ami-beach/article129284119.html#storylink=cpy

Watching the streets of Miami Bch, New York, LA or any of the other coastal cities streets washed clean isn't going to bother me in the least.

Ishmael

 

[Conager]

And how about the rest of the entire world? It's alright, Bloomberg is doing his part to not fuck this all to hell.

You just keep arguing with the smartest, most successful people on the planet - it's got you this far in life.

80 billion dollars and free technology from the US is reason enough for any nation to get in line with their hand out. Somevwere asked to do literally nothing, none were required to actually do anything. What's not to love about it? -for them.

I look forward to your supporting each and every idea advanced by the "smartest people in the world" when it conflicts with your particular worldview. Not that you have a worldview beyond what Facebook or Twitter tells you to think any particular morning.

My absolute favorite thing about this action by Trump is it pisses off all of the right people.

 

[Disgustipated]

Watching the streets of Miami Bch, New York, LA or any of the other coastal cities streets washed clean isn't going to bother me in the least.

Ishmael

Because your New Mexico mud shack will be beachfront property and finally worth something?

 

[Disgustipated]

80 billion dollars and free technology from the US is reason enough for any nation to get in line with their hand out. Somevwere asked to do literally nothing, none were required to actually do anything. What's not to l9ve about it? -for them.

I look forward to your supporting each and every idea advanced by the "smartest people in the world" when it conflicts with your particular worldview. Not that you have a worldview beyond what Facebook or Twitter tells you to think any particular morning.

Will you rephrase this in the form of a language?

 

[Conager]

Because your New Mexico mud shack will be beachfront property and finally worth something?

True dat, boo.

If you need a reference to visit the beaches in Arizona let me know.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Watching the streets of Miami Bch, New York, LA or any of the other coastal cities streets washed clean isn't going to bother me in the least.

Ishmael

Yes, you're a hypocrite. Thank you for making my point clear.