"The Magic Liberal"

[JackLuis]

Is Trump the devil? Was Obama really a progressive?

There are more than two sides to the stories.

The Magic Liberal

There is no evidence – none at all – that Russia “interfered” with the U.S. election. There is no evidence – none at all – that Russia colluded with the Trump campaign. The Democratic Senator Dianne Feinstein, who sits on the Judiciary Committee as well as the Select Committee on Intelligence, recently confirmed that publicly (vid) immediately after she had again been briefed by the CIA:

“Blitzer mentioned that Feinstein and other colleagues from the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence had visited CIA headquarters on Tuesday to be briefed on the investigation. He then asked Feinstein whether she had evidence, without disclosing any classified information, that there was collusion between the Trump campaign and Russia during the 2016 presidential campaign.

“’Not at this time,’ Feinstein said.”

 

[Down4fun91]

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[Chris_Michael]

I stand by the idea that our planet is but a microscopic zit on a much larger cosmic being.
Donald Trump and his followers are evil? NO
Cancerous? Yes.
All of that shit we as humans worry about? Insignificant

Lets just be decent humans and not fuck each other off for our own selfish needs ye?

I can't speak for him, but it seemed like a figure of speech... or an over exaggeration to make a point...

Besides that, the devil does exist. Read your Bible.

 

[Down4fun91]

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[Liar]

Is Trump the devil?

Nope, just a tragic dipshit. The problem is he's a tragic dipshit in a position where being a tragic dipshit can be kind of dangerous.

Was Obama really a progressive?

Nope, a neolib who at best went with the flow on social issues. But beggars can't be choosers.

The real question is: Why do you ask? Are you under the impression that people think Obama was a progressive? Or that Trump is the devil?

 

[JackLuis]

Nope, just a tragic dipshit. The problem is he's a tragic dipshit in a position where being a tragic dipshit can be kind of dangerous.
Nope, a neolib who at best went with the flow on social issues. But beggars can't be choosers.

The real question is: Why do you ask? Are you under the impression that people think Obama was a progressive? Or that Trump is the devil?

My opinion is that Trump is a danger to our country, him being less than sane and unable to even stick to a script. Obama IMHO, was/is a Wall Street Shill, Much like Hillary but not as vicious.

 

[Liar]

My opinion is that Trump is a danger to our country, him being less than sane and unable to even stick to a script. Obama IMHO, was/is a Wall Street Shill, Much like Hillary but not as vicious.

So we're on the same page then. But the premise of the article and the OP questions seems to be that that's how they're seen, presumably by people on the left half of the political spectrum.

 

[dan_c00000]

Besides that, the devil does exist. Read your Bible.

What if you think the Bible is a bunch of BS, like Thomas Jefferson?

 

[phrodeau]

I've read the Bible. The devil is in the details.

 

[Iceprincess12]

The magic wand is more fun.

 

[sr71plt]

What if you think the Bible is a bunch of BS, like Thomas Jefferson?

Like Thomas Jefferson is a bunch of BS?

Jefferson didn't think the whole Bible was BS. He wrote his own New Testament, keeping much of what was there. I doubt he believed in a physical manifestation of the devil, though--but then that doesn't figure prominently in the Bible either. It was brought out more in the Middle Ages.

 

[JackLuis]

I resurrect this thread to introduce:
It was the Democrats' embrace of neoliberalism that won it for Trump
Naomi Klein

The Left as seen by a realist.

They will blame James Comey and the FBI. They will blame voter suppression and racism. They will blame Bernie or bust and misogyny. They will blame third parties and independent candidates. They will blame the corporate media for giving him the platform, social media for being a bullhorn, and WikiLeaks for airing the laundry.
Donald Trump at the White House: Obama reports 'excellent conversation' – as it happened

But this leaves out the force most responsible for creating the nightmare in which we now find ourselves wide awake: neoliberalism. That worldview – fully embodied by Hillary Clinton and her machine – is no match for Trump-style extremism. The decision to run one against the other is what sealed our fate. If we learn nothing else, can we please learn from that mistake?

Here is what we need to understand: a hell of a lot of people are in pain. Under neoliberal policies of deregulation, privatisation, austerity and corporate trade, their living standards have declined precipitously. They have lost jobs. They have lost pensions. They have lost much of the safety net that used to make these losses less frightening. They see a future for their kids even worse than their precarious present.

At the same time, they have witnessed the rise of the Davos class, a hyper-connected network of banking and tech billionaires, elected leaders who are awfully cosy with those interests, and Hollywood celebrities who make the whole thing seem unbearably glamorous. Success is a party to which they were not invited, and they know in their hearts that this rising wealth and power is somehow directly connected to their growing debts and powerlessness.

For the people who saw security and status as their birthright – and that means white men most of all – these losses are unbearable.

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That is the task ahead. The Democratic party needs to be either decisively wrested from pro-corporate neoliberals, or it needs to be abandoned. From Elizabeth Warren to Nina Turner, to the Occupy alumni who took the Bernie campaign supernova, there is a stronger field of coalition-inspiring progressive leaders out there than at any point in my lifetime. We are “leaderful”, as many in the Movement for Black Lives say.

So let’s get out of shock as fast as we can and build the kind of radical movement that has a genuine answer to the hate and fear represented by the Trumps of this world. Let’s set aside whatever is keeping us apart and start right now.

The Article is long and may be too much for you to read unless real policy is your thing.

How about

"Tulsi & Naomi 2020!​

 

[handysr]

My opinion is that Trump is a danger to our country, him being less than sane and unable to even stick to a script. Obama IMHO, was/is a Wall Street Shill, Much like Hillary but not as vicious.

I'm close to that, but I don't think he's actually a danger to the USA. I think he's a danger to the globalists, regardless of where they live, and a danger to socialists who want to give more and more to those that may not deserve it.

I resurrect this thread to introduce:
It was the Democrats' embrace of neoliberalism that won it for Trump
Naomi Klein

The Left as seen by a realist.



The Article is long and may be too much for you to read unless real policy is your thing.

How about

"Tulsi & Naomi 2020!​

From your quote:

So let’s get out of shock as fast as we can and build the kind of radical movement that has a genuine answer to the hate and fear represented by the Trumps of this world. Let’s set aside whatever is keeping us apart and start right now.

It's. Not. Hate. And. Fear.
For the most part it's rational thought aimed at growing the strength of the country on its merits instead of trying to bankrupt it more and outsourcing more jobs. Saving money by focusing on citizens, not giving out freebies to anyone who wants to cross the border without being OK'd. The same rights for everyone, not pandering to special-rights groups for extra rights.

Read objectively, don't just parrot out HuffPo and Salon arguments