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My great grandfather was a minor league professional baseball player. Does that make me a professional baseball player? 
Am I a professional baseball player?
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renard_ruse
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Because you know "if you have ever had an immigrant ancestor you're an immigrant."
If I'm an immigrant, than I'm also a pro baseball player.
If I'm an immigrant, than I'm also a pro baseball player.
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My great grandfather was a minor league professional baseball player. Does that make me a professional baseball player?
My uncle being a Major league umpire and scout didn't help me get a job with the Dodgers either.
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Because you know "if you have ever had an immigrant ancestor you're an immigrant."
If I'm an immigrant, than I'm also a pro baseball player.
Just like an illegal immigrant and an immigrant.
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Technically there is no such thing as an illegal immigrant.
You are there have permission to immigrate, or you do not. If you do not have permission to immigrate, you are an alien. An alien can be legal or illegal. These terms have meaning under the law.
Just being here does not make one an immigrant.
Just like trespassing on a Major League ball field does not make you a professional ball player. Even if you're invited out on the field to throw out the first pitch you're still not a professional ball player.
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No such thing. They are undocumented aliens.
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Nobody actually says that, that I've ever heard of.
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"Immigrant" as I said, specifically means that your new country has authorized you to emigrate from the old country.
When you vist Cuba for Ché t-shirts, you are not an immigrant.
Not in a day, a week, a month or for the rest of your life till Cuba says ok.
No, it doesn't, and the law doesn't say that either, that I ever heard before. Most of our ancestors had no permission to come to America because they came before permission was required.
No, you're a tourist -- and almost certainly in the country with permission.
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Nobody was an immigrant untll there was a country to immigrate to otherwise you're just simply traveling and adventuring. When Lewis and Clark went into when that did not belong to us they were not immigrants even if they decided hey this looks great and stayed.
you can be an émigré as you leave your current country but if where you're going is not a country you're not an immigrant. If I decided to just pick up and go live in some unclaimed island or Antarctica I'm not an immigrant
All true and all irrelevant. This is now a country, and "undocumented immigrant" is a real thing. Although I don't like the term -- nor "illegal," for obvious reasons -- people are never "illegal," and "undocumented" implies they just forgot to fill out some paperwork, when we all know they would not have been allowed in if they had, because of quotas (which we should seriously look at expanding drastically). I prefer "impermissive immigrant" -- that sums up perfectly what distinguishes them: they are in the country without the required official permission.
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Ok. Go over to findlaw and locate a statute that uses the phrase "undocumented immigrant" or even, "illegal immigrant."
Resident alien cards exist for a reason, as does tge word alien for someone not yet accepted into the immigration and naturalization process.
Parliment considered restricting immigration to the colonies to prevent tbe drain of talent. Obviously tgat did not get enacted. See Sean as the progeny of those tbat did not go through the process to immigrate to America.
As a good Deomcrat and alleged lawyer in FL of all places should no tvese things after all you belong to the anti-imigration party of 1864.
"Foreign immigration which in the past has added so much to the wealth, resources, and increase of power to the nation…should be fostered and encouraged." -Republican Party platform for 1864.
Just because statutes do not use the term does not mean it is an invalid one. Try to find a statute that expressly says the undocumented shall not be classified as "immigrants." And even if you find that, which you won't, it's only the law and political discourse is not bound to respect its definitions. If the law defines a tomato as a fruit or as a vegetable, that makes no difference to how botanists classify it. "Undocumented immigrant" is a valid term (though, as noted above, not an optimal one).
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When you are talking about whether something is legal or illegal, the terms used in the relevant statutes are not controlling? Really?
Do you even own a copy of Black's?!??
You could start calling cat burglers "undocumented residents." That would not make them actual residents.
We are not talking about that; there is no dispute on the point.
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When you juxtapose "illegal" next to "immigration" you are definately talking about legality and the law.
Black's can be found cheap everywhere. You should get a copy. Doesn't even need to be a recent edition, since the internet doesn't care about your fake law degree.
My great grandfather was a minor league professional baseball player. Does that make me a professional baseball player?
In a sense. Report to the Red Sox spring training camp tomorrow, and bring a bucket.
The law is relevant to the definition of "illegal" but not to the definition of "immigrant."
