Copp For Hire

[NOIRTRASH]

COPP FOR HIRE by Don Pendleton
The 1st of a 7 book series about private eye Joe Copp.

A hooker hires Copp to guard her from a creep who stalks her. Within a chapter or 3 several hookers and collateral people are dead. The police and VIPs from everywhere are involved.

Its formula fiction, well written, and an excellent example of noir.

Pendleton isn't one of the GREATS but should be. I am pleasantly delighted. Never heard if him till I fell over him.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Pendleton reminds me of something I knew. Sex takes about 5-6 minutes.

 

[ElectricBlue]

Pendleton reminds me of something I knew. Sex takes about 5-6 minutes.

Only if you hurry...

... or is it just me, getting older?

 

[ChloeTzang]

Pendleton reminds me of something I knew. Sex takes about 5-6 minutes.

LOL. Nooooooo. Just slow down, close your eyes and do math in your head for a while.

Don Pendleton? He wrote that Mack Bolan "The Executioner" series that's kind of classic action/adventure stuff. My partner has the odd one of those. I picked up a book a while ago called "How to Write Action Adventure Novels" by Michael Newton who understudied Don Pendleton and who went on to write quite a few novels in "The Executioner" series as a "ghost" writer for Pendleton.

Pendleton was pretty good at that stuff. I skimmed thru a couple to see how he did it.

 

[lovecraft68]

LOL. Nooooooo. Just slow down, close your eyes and do math in your head for a while.

Don Pendleton? He wrote that Mack Bolan "The Executioner" series that's kind of classic action/adventure stuff. My partner has the odd one of those. I picked up a book a while ago called "How to Write Action Adventure Novels" by Michael Newton who understudied Don Pendleton and who went on to write quite a few novels in "The Executioner" series as a "ghost" writer for Pendleton.

Pendleton was pretty good at that stuff. I skimmed thru a couple to see how he did it.

Back in my teens I read some Mack Bolan stuff and couldn't stand it. I was more of a fan of the Destroyer series by Warren Murphy and Richard Sapir. Course I picked one of those up at a yard sale a few years ago and found it eye rolling, but when I was 14 the books were the shit. Non stop violence and a fair amount of sleazy sex and my parents thought they were 'adventure' and didn't care I read them

 

[lovecraft68]

Pendleton reminds me of something I knew. Sex takes about 5-6 minutes.

Does that 5-6 minutes include you begging for it?

 

[NOIRTRASH]

LOL. Nooooooo. Just slow down, close your eyes and do math in your head for a while.

Don Pendleton? He wrote that Mack Bolan "The Executioner" series that's kind of classic action/adventure stuff. My partner has the odd one of those. I picked up a book a while ago called "How to Write Action Adventure Novels" by Michael Newton who understudied Don Pendleton and who went on to write quite a few novels in "The Executioner" series as a "ghost" writer for Pendleton.

Pendleton was pretty good at that stuff. I skimmed thru a couple to see how he did it.

I don't care for THE EXECUTIONER books. Joe Copp is the same thing but superior.

 

[ChloeTzang]

I don't care for THE EXECUTIONER books. Joe Copp is the same thing but superior.

I'm going to gave to track Copp down then, coz I thought the action scenes in "The Executioner" books I read were really good and it's that combination of action/adventure with sex with a female protagonist that I want to write.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

You clowns are clueless.

Fighting and fucking takes 5-6 minutes. I assume none of you know what youre doing.

I let cash beg for me. I wanna piece of ass NOT her heart and mind.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I'm going to gave to track Copp down then, coz I thought the action scenes in "The Executioner" books I read were really good and it's that combination of action/adventure with sex with a female protagonist that I want to write.

The scenes in JOE COPP are superior.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Back in my teens I read some Mack Bolan stuff and couldn't stand it. I was more of a fan of the Destroyer series by Warren Murphy and Richard Sapir. Course I picked one of those up at a yard sale a few years ago and found it eye rolling, but when I was 14 the books were the shit. Non stop violence and a fair amount of sleazy sex and my parents thought they were 'adventure' and didn't care I read them

Well, you have to look at the market he was writing for. They weren't exactly 800 page techno-thrillers were they? I'm just looking at "Copp for Hire" and it's 200 pages and I likje it. I mean "I smelled trouble all over this kid the instant she stepped into my office. She was hot. About twenty. Designer jeans so tight they could sweat...." and "I'm talking tits...mouth-watering tits, thrusting against the elastic material in a way designed and intended to get attention."

Now I ask you, is that going to grab a guy's attention or what? He knows his readers

The scenes in JOE COPP are superior.

After a quick skim on Amazon, yes I think so. Chloe is off to browse the library catalog and see if they have any.

Fighting and fucking takes 5-6 minutes. I assume none of you know what youre doing.

LOL. Fighting shouldn't take that long. About thirty seconds max. Sparring is different, that can go 5-6 minutes but if you're in a real fight and it lasts that long, you're screwed. Your hands can't take it unless they're strapped and you usually don't have the space for all those lovely kicks. And if you do it's over pretty quick. I only had one real fight at High School and I put that bitch down so fast she didn't have time to blink. She was just big and thought she could hit me and get away with it. I think the whole thing was about 5 seconds and I had her on her face on the floor in a wrist lock screaming her head of. Tae Kwon Do 5 days a week since I was 5 paid of that day.

Fucking? Oh no, 5 minutes is just warming up - you don't want to rush these things unless you do of course and then it's fun.

 

[lovecraft68]

Well, you have to look at the market he was writing for. They weren't exactly 800 page techno-thrillers were they? I'm just looking at "Copp for Hire" and it's 200 pages and I likje it. I mean "I smelled trouble all over this kid the instant she stepped into my office. She was hot. About twenty. Designer jeans so tight they could sweat...." and "I'm talking tits...mouth-watering tits, thrusting against the elastic material in a way designed and intended to get attention."

Now I ask you, is that going to grab a guy's attention or what? He knows his readers



After a quick skim on Amazon, yes I think so. Chloe is off to browse the library catalog and see if they have any.

I was referring to Executioner and I don't remember that being sexed up. I think he was appealing to a different crowd in that series. It was watered down and to me never seemed gritty.

Destroyer had a much grittier sleazier feeling and many of the villains were just over the top despicable.

 

[ElectricBlue]

You clowns are clueless.

Fighting and fucking takes 5-6 minutes. I assume none of you know what youre doing.

I let cash beg for me. I wanna piece of ass NOT her heart and mind.

Noir, you're such a romantic...

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Well, you have to look at the market he was writing for. They weren't exactly 800 page techno-thrillers were they? I'm just looking at "Copp for Hire" and it's 200 pages and I likje it. I mean "I smelled trouble all over this kid the instant she stepped into my office. She was hot. About twenty. Designer jeans so tight they could sweat...." and "I'm talking tits...mouth-watering tits, thrusting against the elastic material in a way designed and intended to get attention."

Now I ask you, is that going to grab a guy's attention or what? He knows his readers



After a quick skim on Amazon, yes I think so. Chloe is off to browse the library catalog and see if they have any.



LOL. Fighting shouldn't take that long. About thirty seconds max. Sparring is different, that can go 5-6 minutes but if you're in a real fight and it lasts that long, you're screwed. Your hands can't take it unless they're strapped and you usually don't have the space for all those lovely kicks. And if you do it's over pretty quick. I only had one real fight at High School and I put that bitch down so fast she didn't have time to blink. She was just big and thought she could hit me and get away with it. I think the whole thing was about 5 seconds and I had her on her face on the floor in a wrist lock screaming her head of. Tae Kwon Do 5 days a week since I was 5 paid of that day.

Fucking? Oh no, 5 minutes is just warming up - you don't want to rush these things unless you do of course and then it's fun.

My fund of experience is different from yours.

At the mental hospital there were fights every shift. I was in 100s of fights and usually the first staff in the fight. We had a detox unit, and the referrals were often unhappy boys and girls. 5-6 minutes is par to restrain a person on the floor. I was trained to restrain NOT hurt. But brawls were common.

As for sex, depends on the itch she has. Plenty want the itch scratched not worshipped.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Noir, you're such a romantic...

LOL. I'd start making jokes about Aussie pickup lines now except I don't know any.

My fund of experience is different from yours.

At the mental hospital there were fights every shift. I was in 100s of fights and usually the first staff in the fight. We had a detox unit, and the referrals were often unhappy boys and girls. 5-6 minutes is par to restrain a person on the floor. I was trained to restrain NOT hurt. But brawls were common.

Oh yeah, that would be a lot different. We get the odd customer in ER that needs restraining but that's what Security and the big guys like you are for. When you're small and you're female, you just get out of the way and leave the guys to handle it. Same as in bars, find a table to hide under. Most girls have no idea how to fight for real anyhow.

Sparring at TKD is a lot different, you're in there with everyone else and in my school, there's no sex distinction, you spar with everyone. It's tough but I like that. Sparring's nowhere near real life but it's good practice and its gets you used to getting knocked around and taking it and keeping on going.

 

[lovecraft68]

You clowns are clueless.

Fighting and fucking takes 5-6 minutes. I assume none of you know what youre doing.

I let cash beg for me. I wanna piece of ass NOT her heart and mind.

If you think a real fight takes 5-6 minutes you're a worse fighter than lover. It goes past a minute then neither person knows what they're doing.

real fighting isn't the scenes from Bourne Supremacy.

 

[ChloeTzang]

If you think a real fight takes 5-6 minutes you're a worse fighter than lover. It goes past a minute then neither person knows what they're doing.

real fighting isn't the scenes from Bourne Supremacy.

Noir was talking restraining patients rather than all on fights. That's a lot different. Restraining people can take a long time coz you're not looking to damage them. Get it in ER with drunks and chemically-influenced customers now and then. You don't want to damage them more than they already are. Friday and Saturday nights can be fun to work sometimes. I just duck for cover myself. Doesn't happen that often tho. Now in a mental hospital, you're in a situation where your patients can go beserk but you have to deal with it within boundaries. Far more challenging

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Before I learned avout boxing I believed Ali was a bad ass, but now most boxers look like clowns to me, especially Ali. Watch Joe Louis and wasn't a clown.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

JOE LOUIS DOIG IT RIGHT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-4DMPM2lns

 

[NOIRTRASH]

JOE LOUIS AND ROCKY MARCIABO

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD5uOEpV3zE

FIGHTING THE RIGHT WAY. Louis was in his 30s, but 27 is about the end of the libe for boxers. Louis is too old at 35 or so.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

ALI AND LISTON
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOQ1ERnkbh4

Watch Ali fuck around wasting energy. He got lucky. Liston shoulda stayed in the middle and waited for Ali to stop fucking around.

 

[lovecraft68]

Noir was talking restraining patients rather than all on fights. That's a lot different. Restraining people can take a long time coz you're not looking to damage them. Get it in ER with drunks and chemically-influenced customers now and then. You don't want to damage them more than they already are. Friday and Saturday nights can be fun to work sometimes. I just duck for cover myself. Doesn't happen that often tho. Now in a mental hospital, you're in a situation where your patients can go beserk but you have to deal with it within boundaries. Far more challenging

No, he was talking out of his ass as always. Restraining people isn't technically a fight. Its one person trying to stop another from hurting themselves. Not two people hell bent on damaging each other.

I had to restrain my wife at NIH when she had ICU delirium. I did it because I knew if I watched an orderly hold her down they would have been down an orderly. My wife gave me a very nice shiner with her elbow. Delirium adds some pop in the form of a nice adrenaline rush.

As for 'real fighting' I have 35 years of martial arts. At this point the average shmoe can't last ten seconds with me because this isn't the Hollywood world of spin kicks and flashy 'moves' its a quick shot to the throat and them talking raspy for the next three days.

But having said that in writing, like movies, that's no real fun and you do drag it out a bit to entertain the reader. Most of the fight scenes I've written I've choreographed with sparring partners and the entire time we're all laughing and saying "yeah, this would happen" I badly sprained my knee once by doing some crazy Van damme style kick which is case in point of why people don't really fight like that.

Same with sex. Let's put the cold male insecurity that drives porn to the side. The average story here features men with control porn stars don't have. But what fun would a story featuring no foreplay, ten quick pumps followed by snoring be? That's not every guy of course, but the 'real men' here? That's about it.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

No, he was talking out of his ass as always. Restraining people isn't technically a fight. Its one person trying to stop another from hurting themselves. Not two people hell bent on damaging each other.

I had to restrain my wife at NIH when she had ICU delirium. I did it because I knew if I watched an orderly hold her down they would have been down an orderly. My wife gave me a very nice shiner with her elbow. Delirium adds some pop in the form of a nice adrenaline rush.

As for 'real fighting' I have 35 years of martial arts. At this point the average shmoe can't last ten seconds with me because this isn't the Hollywood world of spin kicks and flashy 'moves' its a quick shot to the throat and them talking raspy for the next three days.

But having said that in writing, like movies, that's no real fun and you do drag it out a bit to entertain the reader. Most of the fight scenes I've written I've choreographed with sparring partners and the entire time we're all laughing and saying "yeah, this would happen" I badly sprained my knee once by doing some crazy Van damme style kick which is case in point of why people don't really fight like that.

Same with sex. Let's put the cold male insecurity that drives porn to the side. The average story here features men with control porn stars don't have. But what fun would a story featuring no foreplay, ten quick pumps followed by snoring be? That's not every guy of course, but the 'real men' here? That's about it.

You talk like PILOT.

Martial arts are dance for closet fags. In Vietnam I watched "Gentle Be"n knock out out martial arts guru with a sucker punch.

 

[ChloeTzang]

Most of the fight scenes I've written I've choreographed with sparring partners and the entire time we're all laughing and saying "yeah, this would happen" I badly sprained my knee once by doing some crazy Van damme style kick which is case in point of why people don't really fight like that.

You do that to? LOL. I kind of work the fight scenes out on paper and then go grab one of the guys I spar with after training and work it through. Sometimes I ask the master for some advice, he's got a tremendous amount of MMA experience, used to fight competitively in MMA bouts. I try to keep it realistic though, although you also want to make it sound good.

So if you don't mind, could you guys take a look at this part of one of my stories and see what you think. I was doing a fight training scene.

Sprained? I had to take a break for a while last year coz I pulled some leg muscles really badly doing a spin kick. Could barely drive to work for a month.

 

[lovecraft68]

You talk like PILOT.

Martial arts are dance for closet fags. In Vietnam I watched "Gentle Be"n knock out out martial arts guru with a sucker punch.

Good thing I grew up a street fighter then. Sorry, JB just because you're a misogynist doesn't mean you're a man. I've been beating your kind since the eighties. All big words and glass jaws.