Climate continues to change.

[thør]

For god's sake, whatever you do, don't let facts get in the way.

http://www.thegwpf.com/content/uploads/2017/04/siberia.jpg

Indeed.

1966 - 2009 (both in July)

 

[KingOrfeo]

It's not so tiny in the north.

Of course, the judgment of the denizens of the Far North about anything must be measured against their willingness to live where tomatoes won't.

 

[thør]

Of course, the judgment of the denizens of the Far North about anything must be measured against their willingness to live where tomatoes won't.

I'm prepping the yard for pineapples!

 

[phrodeau]

http://www.thegwpf.com/content/uploads/2017/04/siberia.jpg

Indeed.

1966 - 2009 (both in July)

Not another shrubbery?!

 

[thør]

Not another shrubbery?!

A deeper active layer over the permafrost promotes more plant growth. The permafrost is still there and will be there for a damn long time, but it's getting a bit warmer.

 

[thør]

Just crazy!

 

[Minalick]

When I lived in Alberta, decided to go exploring one day. There was a bird conservation area that was supposed to include a lake, called "Big Lake". Driving around, getting lost.. Or so I thought... Finally found some people walking on the road and asked where Big Lake is? They said, so matter of factly, oh it dried up. I didn't believe them until I finally found the bird conservation area with the abandoned-looking boardwalk and viewing station. There really was no lake... All tall grass and gnarly stumpy marsh as far as you could see. Was a sad day.
I don't understand how anyone can think that's normal and that climate change doesn't exist.

 

[Hard_Rom]

When I lived in Alberta, decided to go exploring one day. There was a bird conservation area that was supposed to include a lake, called "Big Lake". Driving around, getting lost.. Or so I thought... Finally found some people walking on the road and asked where Big Lake is? They said, so matter of factly, oh it dried up. I didn't believe them until I finally found the bird conservation area with the abandoned-looking boardwalk and viewing station. There really was no lake... All tall grass and gnarly stumpy marsh as far as you could see. Was a sad day.
I don't understand how anyone can think that's normal and that climate change doesn't exist.

It's entirely possible for that to happen normally. Climate, weather and rainfall do vary quite dramatically. A lake without a good source of water may well dry up or become choked with vegetation. A couple of dry years and a lake becomes a marsh. Or what appears to be a marsh.

We have to separate chaotic weather patterns from true climate change. True change is very subtle. And in temperate zones with a good bit of deviation may go unnoticed. It is also a slow change. One human lifespan is no enough to experience true change, normally.

I believe in climate change and warming. And that humans are playing a large role in accelerating that change. The various ice ages the world has gone through show that climate change does not require human involvement.

But saying it is a natural thing won't do us any good as our coastal cities flood, permafrost melts adding to greenhouse effect, Gulf Stream shuts down due to freshwater from melting Greenland ice cap or increasingly unstable or hotter climates make food production iffy at times and expensive all the time.

Are we as humans advanced enough to enact changes that will mitigate climate change? Are we advanced enough to take the reins of environmental change that force our evolutionary processes? Or are we just naked apes at the mercy of the Earth's various periods of warming and cooling?

 

[BotanyBoy]

I don't understand how anyone can think that's normal

Because anyone who's studied the climate in the slightest knows that it is.

Lakes dry up and pop up all of the time in geological terms.

Forest/deserts move all over the place.

Rivers wander over the decades, dry up for centuries and then come back.

Glaciers vanish and then come back, the Earth cycles in practically every way.

and that climate change doesn't exist.

It's the man made climate change that is the debate.

How much are we really effecting our environment and how??

Some things are clearly a bigger impact than others.

The big debate however, happens whenever a group decides that because they love the environment they going to take my tax dollars to subsidize their not really but allegedly "green" whatever, charge me extra for driving a normal car, and then tax me for my foods farts, my farts and every other "green" reason to take my money on top of it all.

Because "climate change" .

Want to make people clean up their toxic shit? Cool...

Want to charge me few thousand bucks a year for my farts? They can take that tax and fuck themselves in their fart box with it.

 

[phrodeau]

Unless you're eating petroleum jelly and drinking fossil fuels, nobody cares about your farts.

 

[thør]

http://i.huffpost.com/gen/1447511/thumbs/o-COW-570.jpg?6

 

[Disgustipated]

Botany.

Not sure how many lakes and rivers are popping up lately. And the cycling seems to be a one way river over the past few decades.

 

[thør]

Botany.

Not sure how many lakes and rivers are popping up lately. And the cycling seems to be a one way river over the past few decades.

Lakes are temporary geologic features.

 

[Shagly]

Nature runs in cycles, kind of like menopause.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Unless you're eating petroleum jelly and drinking fossil fuels, nobody cares about your farts.

Check the taxes and regs that are incurring direct arbitrary costs upon your beef, chicken and pork.

Even some of your conventional green crops are now being taxed for their carbon footprint with more to come.

Botany.

Not sure how many lakes and rivers are popping up lately. And the cycling seems to be a one way river over the past few decades.

Think geological timescale.... tens or hundreds of thousands of years.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Check the taxes and regs that are incurring direct arbitrary costs upon your beef, chicken and pork.

Regs about what to feed livestock, or what?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Regs about what to feed livestock, or what?

Carbon footprint (fart) taxes, what to feed them, where, how and how much.

They got regs for fuckin' everything.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Carbon footprint (fart) taxes, what to feed them, where, how and how much.

They got regs for fuckin' everything.

Well, there's no reason why they shouldn't, is there?

 

[Libsam]

The Gobekli Tepe pillars have been in the media recently.

The riddle of pictographs on the stones has been solved!

The stones document a meteor strike, and there is a sky map. Using the sky map they've figured out that the meteors hit earth 11,000 years ago, triggering a mini ice age that killed off the mammoths.

If it is true, climatologist will need to go back to the drawing board. The symbols also indicate that there have been significant changes in the Earth's rotational axis.

Also, it is more proof that the Earth isn't 2000 years old, but we already knew that. Silly literal interpretation Christians.

 

[phrodeau]

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Check the taxes and regs that are incurring direct arbitrary costs upon your beef, chicken and pork.

Even some of your conventional green crops are now being taxed for their carbon footprint with more to come.

A lot of fossil fuels are used in farming, ranching and transportation. Has nothing to do with your farts.

 

[Conager]

A lot of fossil fuels are used in farming, ranching and transportation. Has nothing to do with your farts.

Without which, food would be out of reach for lots of people on the planet. Why do want the poor to starve?

 

[Disgustipated]

Check the taxes and regs that are incurring direct arbitrary costs upon your beef, chicken and pork.

Even some of your conventional green crops are now being taxed for their carbon footprint with more to come.



Think geological timescale.... tens or hundreds of thousands of years.

Dude. You know the lakes in Cali were bone dry within a couple of years. That wasn't some long geological timescale.

 

[phrodeau]

The Gobekli Tepe pillars have been in the media recently.

The riddle of pictographs on the stones has been solved!

The stones document a meteor strike, and there is a sky map. Using the sky map they've figured out that the meteors hit earth 11,000 years ago, triggering a mini ice age that killed off the mammoths.

If it is true, climatologist will need to go back to the drawing board. The symbols also indicate that there have been significant changes in the Earth's rotational axis.

Also, it is more proof that the Earth isn't 2000 years old, but we already knew that. Silly literal interpretation Christians.

Young-earth creationists maintain that the earth is around 6,000 years old, not 2,000. They also dispute any and every archaeological dating technique.

As for the "sky map," that rests on the assumption that a carving of a scorpion corresponds to the constellation Scorpius. It's a pretty big assumption to make, without any other evidence that the carvers recognized the same constellations as the Babylonians.

 

[BotanyBoy]

A lot of fossil fuels are used in farming, ranching and transportation. Has nothing to do with your farts.

The greenhouse gases given off by livestock, farts, are directly being taxed.

You are taxed for your burgers farts, because that's green!!

Dude. You know the lakes in Cali were bone dry within a couple of years. That wasn't some long geological timescale.

The man made ones we intentionally drained to keep the lawns and farms in the deserts of SoCal green??

Yea that's got fuck all to do with the fact that over the course of time geological features of the planet, including lakes and rivers, naturally move around.

We might not notice some of it in our tiny lifetimes, but even the mountains are moving about as we speak.

 

[Conager]

The greenhouse gases given off by livestock, farts, are directly being taxed.

You are taxed for your burgers farts, because that's green!!



The man made ones we intentionally drained to keep the lawns and farms in the deserts of SoCal green??

Yea that's got fuck all to do with the fact that over the course of time geological features of the planet, including lakes and rivers, naturally move around.

We might not notice some of it in our tiny lifetimes, but even the mountains are moving about as we speak.

Your kind of wasting your greenhouse gases speaking about geologic time to a cult that thinks high temperatures in Des Moines on any given day are symptomatic of climate change.