Transgenders and suicide

[SgtSpiderMan]

Agreed!!!!!

School is for learning the three 'R's', especially at the elementary level. Sex, ANY discussion of sex, is best left to when the hormones start kicking in. Mid-school?

As far as transgender is concerned it's a mental illness. The technical term is Gender Dysphoria. It would seem to me that early intervention by trained mental health professionals might obviate the problems that these people have to confront in later life

The fact is that these people are never going to be part of the mainstream. Oh, that's not to say that they should be ostracized (although a great part of the world are going to do so), it is to say that many professions just aren't going to be open to them, ie. most professions that deal with the general public. You can rant and rail as how wrong that may be, but you can't legislate human behavior when it comes to freedom of association and childhood indoctrination on the issue isn't going to stick either.

While it's certainly wrong to persecute someone for somewhat odd, but non-criminal, behavior no one is under any obligation to accept them into their close circle of friends, or to give them a position where they are the outward face of the company, sales for example.

Ishmael

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oz8xLd9DJq2l2VFtu/giphy.gif

https://thinkprogress.org/apa-revis...r-is-no-longer-a-mental-disorder-8b0321f775d2

 

[KingOrfeo]

And who object? The kids who are innocent of things like sin and guile or the bloody opinionated parents.

I was thinking of the parents, but I was also thinking of the casting, and the in-school social consequences, even today, of being cast as a trans or gay character. High-schoolers can handle that, if it doesn't drive them to a mass shooting, but for elementary and middle schoolers, best leave that step for the next generation.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I was thinking of the parents, but I was also thinking of the casting, and the in-school social consequences, even today, of being cast as a trans or gay character. Best leave it to the next generation.

We say that about cleaning up pollution and paying down debts. Were has that got us?

Humans are many things. Proactive is not one.

 

[KingOrfeo]

We say that about cleaning up pollution and paying down debts. Were has that got us?

Humans are many things. Proactive is not one.

It's not the same. Those are problems that will get worse if we don't do something about them now. But the arc of American culture clearly bends towards full social acceptance and unqualified equality of LGBTs; since they are suffering no very great harm, compared to the past, from social conditions at present -- some, but things have improved and are constantly improving -- there is no harm in being patient and waiting for the worst bigots to die off, which in generational-demographic terms shouldn't take much longer. And then, we may hope, even the venerable American pastime of beating up queers will become a thing of the past.

 

[Ishmael]

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https://thinkprogress.org/apa-revis...r-is-no-longer-a-mental-disorder-8b0321f775d2

They'll approve anything. It changes nothing I've said beyond making them ineligible for insurance paid mental health counseling.

Ishmael

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

They'll approve anything. It changes nothing I've said beyond making them ineligible for insurance paid mental health counseling.

Ishmael

It sounds like you have some peer reviewed research that the APA's position is not scientific. I'm looking forward to you posting it.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

It sounds like you have some peer reviewed research that the APA's position is not scientific. I'm looking forward to you posting it.

PEER REVIEW=ONE HAND WASHES THE OTHER.

 

[Debbie]

In Samoa people who are Fa'afafine are part of their culture. They even have Fa'afafine pageants.

fa'afafine - (in Samoa) a person whose birth sex is male but who is raised as a woman, and identifies with neither, both, or a combination of male and female genders.

There are similar terms in other island nations, for example 'fakafefine' in Tonga.

For the most part they are accepted and valued.


Being a child can be tough enough as it is sometimes. Peer pressure, too young to do this too young to do that.

But imagine not being comfortable in your own skin. Imagine feeling like there is something 'wrong' with you. Your body disgusts you.

It's a complex topic and a very emotional one.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

In Samoa people who are Fa'afafine are part of their culture. They even have Fa'afafine pageants.

fa'afafine - (in Samoa) a person whose birth sex is male but who is raised as a woman, and identifies with neither, both, or a combination of male and female genders.

There are similar terms in other island nations, for example 'fakafefine' in Tonga.

For the most part they are accepted and valued.


Being a child can be tough enough as it is sometimes. Peer pressure, too young to do this too young to do that.

But imagine not being comfortable in your own skin. Imagine feeling like there is something 'wrong' with you. Your body disgusts you.

It's a complex topic and a very emotional one.

Its not complex at all. Your choice is male or female.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

If schools can put on plays where teenagers kill themselves and no one complains, what complaint would people have about any other type of play?

Romeo and Juliet is not being performed at the grade school level which nullifies your argument. Hell, they do do Charlie Brown's Christmas as a play and they edit out the offensive "Christian" parts...

You see, your example is too complex an issue for them to properly process and regurgitate. It's the same with this issue and see a naivety of posters who say, it's simple, just throw in a few stories about LGTB persons and the little crumb-crunchers will absorb that complexity. That, my friends is what you would call a fantasy.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Peer review means very little in the soft Sciences.

 

[Disgustipated]

Peer review means very little in the soft Sciences.

They mean even less when they don't fit your narrative. Amirte?

 

[Wrong Element]

It's not wrong to explain it to them. I don't think it's a topic for elementary school. For example little girls who are on the tom-boyish side, may just be that: tom-boyish. If we were to teach the tom-boy little girl: hey you don't like the usual girl things, maybe you were meant to be a boy-- are we offering, teaching, promoting life long drastic changes?

A girl who doesn't like the usual girl things isn't necessarily transgender. A girl who tells you "I think I'm a boy" just might be.

 

[dolf]

reading this thread, the way so many of you feel about the trans population, it's mind boggling that these people would find life depressing.

 

[Rightguide]

reading this thread, the way so many of you feel about the trans population, it's mind boggling that these people would find life depressing.

Let's not depress our third graders with the delusional mental pathologies affecting less than 1% of the population.

 

[Ishmael]

It sounds like you have some peer reviewed research that the APA's position is not scientific. I'm looking forward to you posting it.

Romeo and Juliet is not being performed at the grade school level which nullifies your argument. Hell, they do do Charlie Brown's Christmas as a play and they edit out the offensive "Christian" parts...

You see, your example is too complex an issue for them to properly process and regurgitate. It's the same with this issue and see a naivety of posters who say, it's simple, just throw in a few stories about LGTB persons and the little crumb-crunchers will absorb that complexity. That, my friends is what you would call a fantasy.

The APA is much like the AMA. Very low representative membership and almost wholly political. The AMA at least has the credibility of turning out some hard science from time to time.

The problem as I see it is that there is genetic hard-wiring there. I notice that many of those that are trying to assert the whole transgender rights mantra keep using the "gender assigned at birth" phrase. One could easily get the impression that as soon as they popped out of the womb the doctor tossed a coin, "Heads you're male, tails you're female." As if those pesky chromosomes were inconsequential.

They can act as if they're the opposite gender, they can actually believe that they are. They can opt for surgery and all of the associated drugs that go with that choice and in so doing convince others that they are something that genetically they were never meant to be.The problem with that is that THEY KNOW. They can convince/fool everyone around them but THEY KNOW. And I can't help but wonder that if in that "knowing" lies the seeds of their discontent. You may be able to convince/fool everyone else but you just can't fool yourself.

Ishmael

 

[Disgustipated]

^^^ That's a lot of words to just admit that you were wrong.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

The APA is much like the AMA. Very low representative membership and almost wholly political. The AMA at least has the credibility of turning out some hard science from time to time.

The problem as I see it is that there is genetic hard-wiring there. I notice that many of those that are trying to assert the whole transgender rights mantra keep using the "gender assigned at birth" phrase. One could easily get the impression that as soon as they popped out of the womb the doctor tossed a coin, "Heads you're male, tails you're female." As if those pesky chromosomes were inconsequential.

They can act as if they're the opposite gender, they can actually believe that they are. They can opt for surgery and all of the associated drugs that go with that choice and in so doing convince others that they are something that genetically they were never meant to be.The problem with that is that THEY KNOW. They can convince/fool everyone around them but THEY KNOW. And I can't help but wonder that if in that "knowing" lies the seeds of their discontent. You may be able to convince/fool everyone else but you just can't fool yourself.

Ishmael

Quoted for truth.

I expect to see suicides increase among transgenders now that they can't get mental health care without paying cash out of pocket.

Hmmm m.... Maybe that was the point. Too many people on this earth

 

[Rightguide]

They can act as if they're the opposite gender, they can actually believe that they are. They can opt for surgery and all of the associated drugs that go with that choice and in so doing convince others that they are something that genetically they were never meant to be.The problem with that is that THEY KNOW. They can convince/fool everyone around them but THEY KNOW. And I can't help but wonder that if in that "knowing" lies the seeds of their discontent. You may be able to convince/fool everyone else but you just can't fool yourself.

Ishmael

Much as this man wishes and attempts to be something else, he's really just a man:

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/93/3c/01/933c01b153aa7d8acfc5f2f203a2278b.jpg

 

[KingOrfeo]

. . . delusional mental pathologies . . .

The psychological community, who should know better than you, does not consider them so.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The APA is much like the AMA. Very low representative membership and almost wholly political.

Cite? For either?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Too many people on this earth

Everyone agrees with that, yet nobody wants to leave. You first.

 

[Liar]

They are not some generic teaching machine. It not like the calculus teacher also does English or PE. You wouldn't expect them to. Who gets to be in charge of gender identity?

Uh it's on the border between biology and social studies, I guess. But mostly social. Shouldn't be rocket science to hash it out.

My maths teacher did PE, btw.

 

[Liar]

Much as this man wishes and attempts to be something else, he's really just a man:

http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/93/3c/01/933c01b153aa7d8acfc5f2f203a2278b.jpg

Well, a man and half a junkyard.

 

[hashtag46]

Uh it's on the border between biology and social studies, I guess. But mostly social. Shouldn't be rocket science to hash it out.

My maths teacher did PE, btw.

I disagree.

I had excellent teachers. But I also had a teacher who took it upon herself to be a nutritionist, and was telling girls to drink vinegar on an empty stomach if they want to lose weight.

Like Christobal said.