Transgenders and suicide

[NOIRTRASH]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZzzQbvFBJg

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Some real beauty to wash down all the shit above.

 

[hashtag46]

All right. So you're not against kids being educated about trans people. You are upset over one instance where it was allegedly done poorly.

I'm still on the fence with that. It might be a good or bad thing. I just don't know.

What "upsets" me is that liberal politicians got involved and are the leaders and decision makers.
And that they are giving directives to teachers, when a multidisciplinary team of child psychologists, doctors and teachers should be in charge.
Leave liberal gender politics out of schools. Someone even compared it with Martin Luther Kings fight for blacks, which is the most inappropriate and stupid analogy that I ever heard of.


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Nevertheless, I enjoyed this exchange because you made me think about things that I haven't thought about before:

Unlike my generation who didn't live in the age of available wifi and uncontrolled massmedia,
the new generation are now being educated through two streams: official regulated education in schools and unofficial unregulated education through the internet.

And that it might well be that the school curticulum should keep up with the times and try to address the latter.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

I'm still on the fence with that. It might be a good or bad thing. I just don't know.

What "upsets" me is that liberal politicians got involved and are the leaders and decision makers.
And that they are giving directives to teachers, when a multidisciplinary team of child psychologists, doctors and teachers should be in charge.
Leave liberal gender politics out of schools. Someone even compared it with Martin Luther Kings fight for blacks, which is the most inappropriate and stupid analogy that I ever heard of.


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Nevertheless, I enjoyed this exchange because you made me think about things that I haven't thought about before:

Unlike my generation who didn't live in the age of available wifi and uncontrolled massmedia,
the new generation are now being educated through two streams: official regulated education in schools and unofficial unregulated education through the internet.

And that it might well be that the school curticulum should keep up with the times and try to address the latter.

I told a judge or two to lock me up but what wasn't gonna happen was she and me in the news for being dangerous fools. I never went to jail.

 

[Christobal]

Teachers have every businness teaching complex and serious issues to kids. Cause nonoby else has the chops to do it. A good teacher will inform on facts, dispel common misconceptions and engage reasonable debate on the different subjective perpectives people can have on a topic.

I wouldn't find it appropriate for a doctor or psychologist to teach young children anything. Not even medicine or psychology. A teacher's job is to bring general understanding of a wide array of topics to children. You don't need specialized expertise in a topic. You need a well informed layman's insight, and the skill and competence to share it: Teaching.

Umm. Think back about all your teachers. Yes there some very good ones and very bad ones. Some with agendas and some fair. This seems like a serious subject I wouldn't leave to government employees.

 

[sweepthefloor]

The topic is out there. Kids don't live in hermetically sealed chambers, as much as some parents wish they did. They're gonna encounter trans people. On TV, hear about them from friends, maybe even meet one in person.

Why is it wrong to explain it to them? Especially since it it a topic prone for confusion, prejudice and disinformation otherwise.

It's not wrong to explain it to them. I don't think it's a topic for elementary school. For example little girls who are on the tom-boyish side, may just be that: tom-boyish. If we were to teach the tom-boy little girl: hey you don't like the usual girl things, maybe you were meant to be a boy-- are we offering, teaching, promoting life long drastic changes?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

It's not wrong to explain it to them. I don't think it's a topic for elementary school. For example little girls who are on the tom-boyish side, may just be that: tom-boyish. If we were to teach the tom-boy little girl: hey you don't like the usual girl things, maybe you were meant to be a boy-- are we offering, teaching, promoting life long drastic changes?

One of my most accomplished fighters grew up fighting in the boy's division because there was a lack of girls to fight against and she had better reflexes and coordination than they did. But, once she hit 15, she came to me and asked permission to fight in the women's division because the boys were starting to hit, and hard.

It's not exactly on the topic, but it is anecdotal evidence of how boys and girls change over the course of time.

I feel sorry for every teen girl who has to compete against a boy who has decided that he identifies as a girl.

I wish suicide on those whom encourage transgender behavior in the hopes of smashing old paradigms and transforming our society into a Utopia by bullying anyone who will not get on board with the idea that this is "science" and not a form of mental illness.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

If you leap from a roof God don't a shit that youre a tranny eagle.

I'm reminded of the time Grumoy usta tell girls he was a tranny stud.

Lincoln told a similar story of the ox the Democrats elected
bull.'

 

[KingOrfeo]

Transgenders and suicide

Boy, that's a tough one. Do you shoot yourself like a man, take pills like a lady, or hang yourself like an autoerotic asphyxiation freak?

 

[NOIRTRASH]

KO is a pre-op man (as soon as they pull his head outta his ass).

 

[Liar]

It's not wrong to explain it to them. I don't think it's a topic for elementary school. For example little girls who are on the tom-boyish side, may just be that: tom-boyish. If we were to teach the tom-boy little girl: hey you don't like the usual girl things, maybe you were meant to be a boy-- are we offering, teaching, promoting life long drastic changes?

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Would a teacher teacher, against all science and common sense, equate being a tomboy with being transgender? No, that sort of misconception would be exactly the kind of thing that a teacher could dispel.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Would a teacher teacher, against all science and common sense, equate being a tomboy with being transgender?

No, of course not; everyone knows tomboys aren't trans, they're lesbian.

 

[Liar]

Umm. Think back about all your teachers. Yes there some very good ones and very bad ones. Some with agendas and some fair. This seems like a serious subject I wouldn't leave to government employees.

Not all teachers are government employees.

And there are some good and some bad of every profession. No matter who employs them, as fashionable as it may be to shit on the public sector.

Does in no way shape or form negate my point. Plumbers should do plumbing. Police should do policing. Teachers should do teaching. Cause on average, they do it better than us amateurs.

 

[Christobal]

Not all teachers are government employees.

And there are some good and some bad of every profession. No matter who employs them, as fashionable as it may be to shit on the public sector.

Does in no way shape or form negate my point. Plumbers should do plumbing. Police should do policing. Teachers should do teaching. Cause on average, they do it better than us amateurs.

They are not some generic teaching machine. It not like the calculus teacher also does English or PE. You wouldn't expect them to. Who gets to be in charge of gender identity?

 

[KingOrfeo]

Does in no way shape or form negate my point. Plumbers should do plumbing. Police should do policing. Teachers should do teaching. Cause on average, they do it better than us amateurs.

And the same applies to politicians and public officials.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Who gets to be in charge of gender identity?

I volunteer. You are now, let's see, you are now an M-to-F transgender with strong lesbian tendencies and a thing for feet. It is time for you to emerge as your true self. You're welcome. And before you go, please clean that stuff off my feet.

 

[Christobal]

I volunteer. You are now, let's see, you are now an M-to-F transgender with strong lesbian tendencies and a thing for feet. It is time for you to emerge as your true self. You're welcome. And before you go, please clean that stuff off my feet.

At least that's decided and you being in charge makes as much sense as any one else.

Maybe Trump wants the job. Hey He is the president so he must have the skills.

You don't end up with that job unless you are highly trained.

 

[about_average]

They are not some generic teaching machine. It not like the calculus teacher also does English or PE. You wouldn't expect them to.

Neither are trades people.
Would you call an electrician to do the plumbing for your house because you read an article about a plumber really fucking up someone's water heater?
But they all probably know about what's needed to get a building permit.

Who gets to be in charge of gender identity?

The person who's identity is in question. If one is.

 

[sweepthefloor]

I don't understand what you're trying to say here. Would a teacher teacher, against all science and common sense, equate being a tomboy with being transgender? No, that sort of misconception would be exactly the kind of thing that a teacher could dispel.

I am saying that I do not think that gender identity should be a part of elementary school education. The teacher would not have to dispel anything as there is nothing wrong with being a tomboy. If we start entering transgender discussions at the elementary level: the tomboy may become confused, and think there is something biologically 'wrong' with her identity because she likes digging for worms instead of playing with dolls.

We can teach our children how to be open, loving, and accepting of others without introducing sexuality or gender identity topics prior to an age of basic understanding of anatomy.

I just can't imagine a fourth grader learning: reading, writing, arithmetic, and sexual identity.

 

[KingOrfeo]

I just can't imagine a fourth grader learning: reading, writing, arithmetic, and sexual identity.

I can, but I probably shouldn't.

 

[sweepthefloor]

It's complex.

 

[Hard_Rom]

It's complex.

Doesn't have to be. Just toss in a couple of LGBTG characters in stories every now and then. Kids learn acceptance of such types early and will make things much easier on all. Don't need fancy curriculums teaching gender identity. Just let it be known that its not always one way or another.

Kids aren't as dumb as we think.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Doesn't have to be. Just toss in a couple of LGBTG characters in stories every now and then.

In stories, that's fine. In school plays . . . raises too many potential problems and objections.

 

[Hard_Rom]

In stories, that's fine. In school plays . . . raises too many potential problems and objections.

And who object? The kids who are innocent of things like sin and guile or the bloody opinionated parents.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

In stories, that's fine. In school plays . . . raises too many potential problems and objections.

If schools can put on plays where teenagers kill themselves and no one complains, what complaint would people have about any other type of play?

 

[Ishmael]

I am saying that I do not think that gender identity should be a part of elementary school education. The teacher would not have to dispel anything as there is nothing wrong with being a tomboy. If we start entering transgender discussions at the elementary level: the tomboy may become confused, and think there is something biologically 'wrong' with her identity because she likes digging for worms instead of playing with dolls.

We can teach our children how to be open, loving, and accepting of others without introducing sexuality or gender identity topics prior to an age of basic understanding of anatomy.

I just can't imagine a fourth grader learning: reading, writing, arithmetic, and sexual identity.

Agreed!!!!!

School is for learning the three 'R's', especially at the elementary level. Sex, ANY discussion of sex, is best left to when the hormones start kicking in. Mid-school?

As far as transgender is concerned it's a mental illness. The technical term is Gender Dysphoria. It would seem to me that early intervention by trained mental health professionals might obviate the problems that these people have to confront in later life

The fact is that these people are never going to be part of the mainstream. Oh, that's not to say that they should be ostracized (although a great part of the world are going to do so), it is to say that many professions just aren't going to be open to them, ie. most professions that deal with the general public. You can rant and rail as how wrong that may be, but you can't legislate human behavior when it comes to freedom of association and childhood indoctrination on the issue isn't going to stick either.

While it's certainly wrong to persecute someone for somewhat odd, but non-criminal, behavior no one is under any obligation to accept them into their close circle of friends, or to give them a position where they are the outward face of the company, sales for example.

Ishmael