How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Hard_Rom]

I don't think they are talking about the earth being the "physical" center of the solar system or universe but the "spiritual" center.

I really haven't looked into man walking with dinosaurs. I was, unsuccessfully, making a joke.

Considering the persecution of the heliocentric theories in earlier times I'm thinking it literally means the physical center. Galileo served house arrest for such heretical thoughts.

 

[phrodeau]

I can assure you that man walked with Dinosaurs. The evidence is overwhelming. They were called "Dragons".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XitbLp8L6Bk

"Dragons are mentioned in the Bible thirty four times," says fake Dr. Kent Hovind.

The Hebrew word תַּנִּין tannîyn or תַּנִּים tannîym is variously translated as serpent, whale or dragon, and occurs 28 times in the King James Version. First appearance is in Genesis 1:21, after "And God created great," where "whales" is used. Next appearance is in Exodus, when Aaron turns his staff into a תַּנִּין, and "serpent" is the KJV translation. (Moses' staff turned into a נָחָשׁ (nachash) which is also translated "serpent" and the same word for the creature who tempted Eve.)

Greek word δράκων (drakōn) occurs 13 times, all in Revelation, and is there described as an old serpent with seven heads and ten horns. Not sure what kind of dinosaur that could be.

"Behemoth" only occurs once, in Job, and "Leviathan" occurs seven times. לִוְיָתָן (livyathan) is twice mentioned in Isaiah 27:1, which reads:
"In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea." It's usually assumed that Isaiah was speaking metaphorically, but even so, it's clear that he wasn't talking dinosaurs.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Considering the persecution of the heliocentric theories in earlier times I'm thinking it literally means the physical center. Galileo served house arrest for such heretical thoughts.

The Catholic Church doesn't represent all of Christendom. They persecuted any other denomination within Christianity that didn't agree with them also. Anabaptists were an underground Church for hundreds of years, which was persecuted by the Catholic Church.

 

[KingOrfeo]

The Catholic Church doesn't represent all of Christendom. They persecuted any other denomination within Christianity that didn't agree with them also. Anabaptists were an underground Church for hundreds of years, which was persecuted by the Catholic Church.

N.B.: Anabaptists did not exist before Luther. Baptist successionism -- the notion that when Emperor Constantine created his fake Church, the true Christians went underground and continued to worship there until Luther's time, when they came out into the open -- is pure Chick-tract bullshit. (Also, Anabaptists are in a different tradition than Baptists; Amish and Mennonites are Anabaptists.)

 

[Tryharder62]

Considering the persecution of the heliocentric theories in earlier times I'm thinking it literally means the physical center. Galileo served house arrest for such heretical thoughts.

This is my line of thinking, for what it is worth. I don't think the bible is giving examples of the physical placement of the earth. This all originated with early Greeks like Claudius Ptolemy an astronomer and mathematician that believed the earth was the center of the solar system and universe. His astrological charts were accepted for a long time. Church leaders did believe what scientists were saying about the earth being the center of the solar system as well as the universe. They looked at verses like 1 Chronicle 16:30, Psalm 16:30, Psalm 96:10 and Psalm 104:5 all talking about the earth being established and that it cannot be moved. (Psalm 104:5 He set the world on it's foundation and it cannot be moved). I think this is talking about spiritual matters, so I disagree. God is our foundation. He cannot be moved. There are several verses like 1 Corinthians 3:11: For no man can lay a foundation other than the one which was laid, which is Christ Jesus. You know what they say about hindsight? This was not a problem with the bible but biblical interpretation by humans.

By Galileo's time most every major thinker subscribed to the geocentric (Earth is Center) view. Men who came before Galileo, like Capernicus, with the same ideas as Galileo refrained from publishing their theories about the earth moving around the sun, not from fear of the church, but because of fear of ridicule by their colleagues.

Galileo chose to take his scientific theory and present it as fact into not just scientific debate but into theological debate. At the time he had no conclusive proof. Galileo was also not entirely correct. He believed the sun was not just the fixed center of the solar system but the fixed center of the universe. As recent science has shown, both Galileo and his opponents were partly right and partly wrong. It probably didn't help Galileo that some of his writings made fun of his friend the Pope. The Catholic Church admits today that they should not have condemned him.

 

[Hard_Rom]

The Catholic Church doesn't represent all of Christendom. They persecuted any other denomination within Christianity that didn't agree with them also. Anabaptists were an underground Church for hundreds of years, which was persecuted by the Catholic Church.

It did for almost 1500 years. Are you saying true Christianity did not appear until Protestantism? Do you think of yourself as Anabaptist? Even Christians apparently do not agree on some of the fundamental things in the bible. Who are you to say that your version is the right one? Technically you are a heretic! Military might has more to do with you being able to claim the high seat than anything.

Just what church do you belong to?

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

N.B.: Anabaptists did not exist before Luther. Baptist successionism -- the notion that when Emperor Constantine created his fake Church, the true Christians went underground and continued to worship there until Luther's time, when they came out into the open -- is pure Chick-tract bullshit. (Also, Anabaptists are in a different tradition than Baptists; Amish and Mennonites are Anabaptists.)

That's where you are wrong. Ana Baptists can be traced all the way back to the original Church. Constantine persecuted the true Church, then when he converted, he actually invented a hybrid of Paganism and Christianity, AKA Catholics. Catholics continued persecuting Christians who didn't agree with them.

Read here:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Books, Tracts & Preaching/Printed Books/trail_of_blood_jm_carroll.htm

 

[Tryharder62]

"Dragons are mentioned in the Bible thirty four times," says fake Dr. Kent Hovind.

The Hebrew word תַּנִּין tannîyn or תַּנִּים tannîym is variously translated as serpent, whale or dragon, and occurs 28 times in the King James Version. First appearance is in Genesis 1:21, after "And God created great," where "whales" is used. Next appearance is in Exodus, when Aaron turns his staff into a תַּנִּין, and "serpent" is the KJV translation. (Moses' staff turned into a נָחָשׁ (nachash) which is also translated "serpent" and the same word for the creature who tempted Eve.)

Greek word δράκων (drakōn) occurs 13 times, all in Revelation, and is there described as an old serpent with seven heads and ten horns. Not sure what kind of dinosaur that could be.

"Behemoth" only occurs once, in Job, and "Leviathan" occurs seven times. לִוְיָתָן (livyathan) is twice mentioned in Isaiah 27:1, which reads:
"In that day the LORD with his sore and great and strong sword shall punish leviathan the piercing serpent, even leviathan that crooked serpent; and he shall slay the dragon that is in the sea." It's usually assumed that Isaiah was speaking metaphorically, but even so, it's clear that he wasn't talking dinosaurs.

I think you have your answer. The answer is revealed in Revelation 20:2. He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. You say here that in many instances the translation is serpent. Who was Eve tempted by ----the serpent(Satan). The Bible is not teaching that dragons ever truly existed. Rather, it is only comparing Satan to a fire-breathing creature/serpent. (Leviathin is creature) That terrible serpent ---SATAN---He's a bad dude!!!! (Other " non- fake" people thinks so too. lol)

 

[KingOrfeo]

That's where you are wrong. Ana Baptists can be traced all the way back to the original Church.

Their earliest forerunners were medieval.

 

[EternalFantasies]

That's where you are wrong. Ana Baptists can be traced all the way back to the original Church. Constantine persecuted the true Church, then when he converted, he actually invented a hybrid of Paganism and Christianity, AKA Catholics. Catholics continued persecuting Christians who didn't agree with them.

Read here:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Books, Tracts & Preaching/Printed Books/trail_of_blood_jm_carroll.htm

I'll have to agree with the Oreo King here and find this post of your quite hilarious.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

I'll have to agree with the Oreo King here and find this post of your quite hilarious.

In other words, Baptists didn't come out of the Protestant Reformation...

 

[KingOrfeo]

In other words, Baptists didn't come out of the Protestant Reformation...

'Fraid they did. Luther had no idea what he was starting. (Would he have cared, I wonder?0

 

[EternalFantasies]

In other words, Baptists didn't come out of the Protestant Reformation...

I like this Anabaptist belief in the literal second coming. Well, i'm here. Sign me up


And in regards to the first Church, the very very first one built by Christ's followers, it was the one of Antioch. It had some offspring, and Ana-baptism, or Baptism, is nowhere related to that as far as I can tell.

 

[KingOrfeo]

And in regards to the first Church, the very very first one built by Christ's followers, it was the one of Antioch.

No, Jerusalem. We don't read much of it because it ended when the Romans crushed the Jewish revolt.

 

[EternalFantasies]

No, Jerusalem. We don't read much of it because it ended when the Romans crushed the Jewish revolt.

no no. The disciples had to run to safety and establish a Church. It had to be away from Jerusalem out north.

The one in Jerusalem was probably simultaneous, but was more Jewish at its roots and did not proselytize.

I'll admit there is no clear cut evidence which came first. but common sense says Antioch due to condemnation in Jerusalem.

The Missions, the preaching, the spreading, etc. all Church of Antioch.

And if AnaBaptists descended from any, it would be Antioch.

But of course, they didn't.

 

[EternalFantasies]

hehe... Can't believe i let you make me doubt myself.


It was Antioch the first one indeed.

 

[KingOrfeo]

no no. The disciples had to run to safety and establish a Church. It had to be away from Jerusalem out north.

Jesus' brother James the Just, Bishop of Jerusalem, seems never to have left and I'm sure he wasn't the only one.

 

[EternalFantasies]

Jesus' brother James the Just, Bishop of Jerusalem, seems never to have left and I'm sure he wasn't the only one.

That means nothing. You've proven nothing.

I've warned you before, if you try to use these kind of empty circular arguments, you will go on ignore.

 

[KingOrfeo]

That means nothing. You've proven nothing.

I've proven that it is a reasonable conclusion that the first Christian church was in Jerusalem -- where the Apostles all were when Jesus died and where St. James spent the rest of his life as Bishop -- and Antioch's was founded later.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Baptists did NOT come out of the Catholic Church:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's Corner/why_baptists_are_not_protestants.htm

 

[EternalFantasies]

I've proven that it is a reasonable conclusion that the first Christian church was in Jerusalem -- where the Apostles all were when Jesus died and where St. James spent the rest of his life as Bishop -- and Antioch's was founded later.

No, you did not.

You would when you post the dates and sources.

According to Acts 11:19-26, the Christian community at Antioch began when Christians who were scattered from Jerusalem because of persecution fled to Antioch. They were joined by Christians from Cyprus and Cyrene who migrated to Antioch. It was in Antioch that the followers of Jesus were first referred to as Christians.

A main point of interest, however, is connected with the progress of Christianity among the non-Jewish believers. Tradition holds that the first Gentile church was founded, Acts 11:20-21, where it is recorded that the disciples of Jesus Christ were first called Christians Acts 11:19-26. It was from Antioch that St. Paul started on his missionary journeys.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Antioch

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

No, you did not.

You would when you post the dates and sources.

According to Acts 11:19-26, the Christian community at Antioch began when Christians who were scattered from Jerusalem because of persecution fled to Antioch. They were joined by Christians from Cyprus and Cyrene who migrated to Antioch. It was in Antioch that the followers of Jesus were first referred to as Christians.

A main point of interest, however, is connected with the progress of Christianity among the non-Jewish believers. Tradition holds that the first Gentile church was founded, Acts 11:20-21, where it is recorded that the disciples of Jesus Christ were first called Christians Acts 11:19-26. It was from Antioch that St. Paul started on his missionary journeys.[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Antioch

The 12 Disciples preached primarily to Jews only. Paul preached the gospel to the gentiles. Ga 2:7 But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter;

 

[Tryharder62]

Even Christians apparently do not agree on some of the fundamental things in the bible.

Baptists did NOT come out of the Catholic Church:

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Believer's Corner/why_baptists_are_not_protestants.htm

No Christians don't all agree. That is why there are different denominations. I just wish the differences didn't divide us. Jesus should unite us. I have been able to get an inside view on many denominations and there are genuine people in all of them. (If you pm me I will tell you about my story with denominations. Don't feel comfortable putting it here) People who love Jesus, believe that he died on the cross to forgive their sins. Trying to live the best life by how they see the Bible.

It is a frustration of mine because if I were God I would just make a new version of the Bible and make it clear. A "This is what I meant" Bible. It's a good thing that I am not God though. I've said this before but if I were God I would need a tiara and I would demand at least a little kissing up.

I've posted this before and it makes me laugh but it also makes me sad. Wouldn't it be amazing if we got together like that to help people.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRCHVWEkOU8

If I could spread one message to Christians it would be the first five minutes of this: ( You hate your sin, I'll hate my sin and let's love each other.)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z2aeDPsrAaQ

xfrodobagginsx I wanted to tell you that I enjoyed this article you posted. Kind of got me on a train of study today. Thanks for sharing it.

 

[Hard_Rom]

xfrodobagginsx I wanted to tell you that I enjoyed this article you posted. Kind of got me on a train of study today. Thanks for sharing it.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
https://38.media.tumblr.com/50d73ed8b9df88c9f5d4f23b5ead29bf/tumblr_my70hiM5ZK1t9qpzio4_500.gif

 

[KingOrfeo]

I've said this before but if I were God I would need a tiara and I would demand at least a little kissing up.

Still an improvement. The one you've got now demands a lot of kissing up.