How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[xfrodobagginsx]

'Fraid not. Whatever they are, they think they're Baptists.

No, they don't think they are Baptists. They are mocking baptists. Everything they say and do is completely contrary to Baptists and Christianity for that matter. They are mocking Christians and specifically Baptists. It's all a bad joke.

 

[Hard_Rom]

No, they don't think they are Baptists. They are mocking baptists. Everything they say and do is completely contrary to Baptists and Christianity for that matter. They are mocking Christians and specifically Baptists. It's all a bad joke.

Not a bad joke. Much worse than that. The Westboro church has about 40 members family and extended family of Fred Phelps the church's founder. Certainly a fringe group.

They do consider themselves Primitive Baptist. But every Baptist organization has rejected them. About as Christian as the Waco, Texas nutters.

 

[KingOrfeo]

https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/footprints.png

 

[UnderMyKilt]

PLEASE TAKE THE TIME TO READ THIS. IT'S THE MOST IMPORTANT THING YOU COULD EVER DO AND IT ONLY TAKES A FEW MINUTES.

ARE YOU 100% SURE THAT IF YOU DIED TODAY THAT YOU WOULD GO TO HEAVEN?

There are some things that you should know:

1. Realize that you are a sinner and in need of a Savior:

Ro 3:23 "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;"

Ro 3:10 "As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:"....

....If you have placed your faith in Jesus Christ and meant it with all of your heart, you are now a child of God and will go to heaven.

Now that you are on your way to heaven, you should attend a bible believing church and follow in baptism

Hmmmm. Taken right out of the lay witnessing lessons of "Evangelism Explosion".

I'm not sure posting it on a porn site is what Dr. D. James Kennedy had in mind when he wrote it.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Not a bad joke. Much worse than that. The Westboro church has about 40 members family and extended family of Fred Phelps the church's founder. Certainly a fringe group.

They do consider themselves Primitive Baptist. But every Baptist organization has rejected them. About as Christian as the Waco, Texas nutters.

Insanity. I went to their site and posted the gospel and they laughed, mocked and joked about it. They had what they called a "Godly pay pal button". It seems like satire to me and a big joke. If they are serious as you say, then it's just insanity.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Insanity. I went to their site and posted the gospel and they laughed, mocked and joked about it. They had what they called a "Godly pay pal button". It seems like satire to me and a big joke. If they are serious as you say, then it's just insanity.

I read something about the Westboreans once: They believe in predestination. Therefore (and despite whatever Jesus might have said to the contrary), they have no duty to spread the Gospel and save souls, there's no point, every soul already is inalterably saved or damned; but it is their duty to shame sinners.

 

[Hard_Rom]

I read something about the Westboreans once: They believe in predestination. Therefore (and despite whatever Jesus might have said to the contrary), they have no duty to spread the Gospel and save souls, there's no point, every soul already is inalterably saved or damned; but it is their duty to shame sinners.

Predestination appears in most Christian sects in one form or another. It even conforms to Catholic doctrine. Westboro claim to be Calvinists.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Predestination appears in most Christian sects in one form or another. It even conforms to Catholic doctrine. Westboro claim to be Calvinists.

Predestination and Freewill are actually both true in my opinion.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Predestination appears in most Christian sects in one form or another. It even conforms to Catholic doctrine. Westboro claim to be Calvinists.

Like I said, I doubt they even know what a Calvinist is. They seem to be mocking.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Thanks!

You're welcome!!!

 

[KingOrfeo]

Predestination and Freewill are actually both true in my opinion.

They are, but on alternate days.

 

[Maidboy]

Predestination and Freewill are actually both true in my opinion.

So I have free will to do anything I like, even change my mind at the last second, but God knows what I'm going to do because he knows what a devious little sneak I am, because after all, He created me. OK, got it.

 

[phrodeau]

If you want a fun excursion down a rabbit hole, check out the different doctrines of lapsarianism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_order_of_God's_decrees

Apparently, these all pivot on the question of whether Adam slipped up or slipped down.

 

[KingOrfeo]

If you want a fun excursion down a rabbit hole, check out the different doctrines of lapsarianism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logical_order_of_God's_decrees

Apparently, these all pivot on the question of whether Adam slipped up or slipped down.

INFRALAPSARIAN, n. One who ventures to believe that Adam need not have sinned unless he had a mind to — in opposition to the Supralapsarians, who hold that that luckless person's fall was decreed from the beginning. Infralapsarians are sometimes called Sublapsarians without material effect upon the importance and lucidity of their views about Adam.

Two theologues once, as they wended their way
To chapel, engaged in colloquial fray —
An earnest logomachy, bitter as gall,
Concerning poor Adam and what made him fall.
"'Twas Predestination," cried one — "for the Lord
Decreed he should fall of his own accord."
"Not so — 'twas Free will," the other maintained,
"Which led him to choose what the Lord had ordained."
So fierce and so fiery grew the debate
That nothing but bloodshed their dudgeon could sate;
So off flew their cassocks and caps to the ground
And, moved by the spirit, their hands went round.
Ere either had proved his theology right
By winning, or even beginning, the fight,
A gray old professor of Latin came by,
A staff in his hand and a scowl in his eye,
And learning the cause of their quarrel (for still
As they clumsily sparred they disputed with skill
Of foreordinational freedom of will)
Cried: "Sirrahs! this reasonless warfare compose:
Atwixt ye's no difference worthy of blows.
The sects ye belong to — I'm ready to swear
Ye wrongly interpret the names that they bear.
You — Infralapsarian son of a clown! —
Should only contend that Adam slipped down;
While you — you Supralapsarian pup! —
Should nothing aver but that Adam slipped up.
It's all the same whether up or down
You slip on a peel of banana brown.
Even Adam analyzed not his blunder,
But thought he had slipped on a peal of thunder!
—G.J.

-- The Devil's Dictionary, Ambrose Bierce

 

[phrodeau]

I only steal from the best.

 

[thør]

I only steal from the best.

High standards.

 

[yukonnights]

Perhaps there is something being overlooked ? Looking at Romans 8:28-30 ; (28) And we know that God causes all things to work together for good to those who love God, to those who are called according to His purpose. (29) For those whom He foreknew, He also predestined to become conformed to the image of His Son, so that He would be the firstborn among many brethren; (30) and these whom He predestined, He also called; and these whom He called, He also justified; and these whom He justified, He also glorified.

So, this basically says God did not randomly “predestine” anyone…only those who He ‘foreknew’ would "love God" of their own freewill. If God knows the end and the beginning of time...if God is outside of our concept of time…in fact, if God created time… then God knows the heart of every human who will ever live from the beginning of time to the end of time...

(as an aside, another peek into this "time travel" is the phrase in Revelations 13:8 which says;...... all whose names were not written from the foundation of the world in the book of life, which belongs to the Lamb who was slain...)

In general, Calvanism teaches a "double predestination" which basically means God predestines both the ones who will choose Life and the ones who will choose Death. (This view is not held by the majority of Christians...and the Roman Catholics consider it anathema). It seems to me that Romans 8:28-30 is very clear who any 'predestination' applies to -> those who He foreknew would choose Life of their own free will.

Thus, one can find odd beliefs among Christians. But to try and cherry pick the most outrageous anomalies doesn’t make a sound argument against the whole. To do that one must disprove both God and the Gospel of Christ.

At the end of the day, no human knows how the Universe began… and likewise, no person of faith can know details about the Mystery that goes by the term God…but the evidence of the life of Christ is very well studied and documented. Sadly, the stupid behavior of some who claim the name Christian brings doubt and confusion. I think each Christian should be viewed through the lens of their own behavior...if there is no Fruit of the Spirit, then ignore them...if it smells rotten, it probably is.

 

[Jamie_B]

Watch Religulous, great documentary by Bill Maher! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfdaJ-zMNGQ

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

So I have free will to do anything I like, even change my mind at the last second, but God knows what I'm going to do because he knows what a devious little sneak I am, because after all, He created me. OK, got it.

I believe that God predetermines what will ultimately happen AND our free will conforms to that some how. We are fully free at the same time that God's sovereign will occurs. Just my opinion.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Compelling Evidence For Creationism:

https://answersingenesis.org/archaeology/does-archaeology-support-the-bible/

 

[phrodeau]

Compelling Evidence For Creationism:

https://answersingenesis.org/archaeology/does-archaeology-support-the-bible/

Funny, but it has a paragraph, "Major evidences regarding Genesis 1-11, but has nothing whatsoever to support Genesis chapters 1 through 5. The only account of creation in Genesis is in chapters 1 and 2.

Sounds like they and you are lying to us.

 

[Maidboy]

Compelling Evidence For Creationism:

https://answersingenesis.org/archaeology/does-archaeology-support-the-bible/

Compelling evidence of desperately trying to get a growing body of scientific evidence to fit into a preconceived religious belief.

Ken Ham is a blithering idiot and his Creation Museum and Ark Park are laughable.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Compelling evidence of desperately trying to get a growing body of scientific evidence to fit into a preconceived religious belief.

Ken Ham is a blithering idiot and his Creation Museum and Ark Park are laughable.

No, I think you have it mixed up with evolution.

 

[Maidboy]

No, I think you have it mixed up with evolution.

Evolution is a scientific theory supported by substantial body of independently verifiable physical evidence. Creationism is at best a hypothesis, based on ancient religious texts that even Christians interpret differently. Learn the difference between objective and subjective, and carry on from there.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Evolution is a scientific theory supported by substantial body of independently verifiable physical evidence. Creationism is at best a hypothesis, based on ancient religious texts that even Christians interpret differently. Learn the difference between objective and subjective, and carry on from there.

Theory is the key word. It's a religion. Much of the belief system of evolution is NOT supported by the actual evidence. It's theory. Creationism is based on the same evidence that evolution is based upon, it's just that creationists draw different conclusions based upon that same evidence.