H.R. 899: “The Department of Education shall terminate on December 31, 2018.”

[Zeb_Carter]

You do realize that the Dept. of Ed, was conceived in 1867? Being belligerent of facts, leads Me to believe, that you didn't really pay attention in school, and having a Dept of Ed, didn't really matter.

Hmmm....yes it was, for all of one year.

The United States Department of Education (ED or DoED), also referred to as the ED for (the) Education Department, is a Cabinet-level department of the United States government. Recreated by the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88) and signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on October 17, 1979, it began operating on May 4, 1980.

A previous Department of Education was created in 1867 but was soon demoted to an Office in 1868.[4][5] As an agency not represented in the president's cabinet, it quickly became a relatively minor bureau in the Department of the Interior.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

DoE:



Now, just what part of that is dispensable?

Well seeing as the DOE themselves ignore most of that, probably all of it.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Well seeing as the DOE themselves ignore most of that . . .

Cite?

 

[BotanyBoy]

DoE:



Now, just what part of that is dispensable?

All of it.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

We have a Cabinet-level Dept. of Education because Carter wanted enthusiastic Union support in his election bid. It is a political post having nothing to do with actual education.

At the end of the Civil War all education was local, sporadic and not mandated by [the Federal] government. Back then it was understood that education was not in the purview of the Federal Government.[/QUOTE

That being said, is why we still have people like you still crawling the halls.

And this is why you lost the election.

Keep it up.

MOAR!

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

I gather there must be a Facebook or Twitter meme making the rounds asserting the education department predates Carter's blatant appeasment of the NEA.

Whenever somebody smugly uses the word "research" that's always where it comes from.

They throw that in there, like they were just wandering the halls of the National Archives... pulled out a few relevant tomes, commentaries, and concordances. . .sat down with a legal pad and pencil. . .

I think we have a Union activist "crawling" around our thread.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

Cite?

Do your own homework.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

We have another example of a poster taking a random, insignificant fact, trying to turn it into a significant fact with the intention of saying, "How can you end an institution that has been in continuous operation since the end of the Civil War?"

:O

And if you're not buying this line of argumentation, then you are simply uneducated.

 

[EternalFantasy]

Bullshit!

The proposed changes in France allow more flexibility, not less. The French left, particularly the teaching unions, are opposed to reforms introduced by a left government. They don't want change.

http://www.thelocal.fr/20150519/french-school-reforms-why-all-the-fuss

http://www.thelocal.fr/20160831/everything-thats-changing-about-french-schools-this-year

My comment is more constitutional and general than specific and focused.

The french revolution then probably contributed to the enslavement of students' minds secular = slavery; without question.

A contrast between the french and american systems for instance, and on my low level of knowledge of that, gives me the impression the american one allows students to grow better - but that even isn't good enough in my opinion.

I find today's educational systems are giving us subjects capable to filling a pigeon hole, and not much beyond that. While ancient education meant educated = all the sciences and knowledge. It's very formation is different. It produced true polymaths which today are almost extinct, and when present, disliked.

But again, someone has to fill the pigeon holes. Its a frustrating subject.

I relate a lot to the one who said: "It is in fact nothing short of
a miracle that the modern methods of instruction have not yet entirely
strangled the holy curiosity of inquiry; for this delicate little plant,
aside from stimulation, stands mainly in need of freedom; without this
it goes to wrack and ruin without fail".

 

[Mello_SixtyNine]

Carter created the Department of Education in
1979. It started with a budget of 14.5 billion dollars.

The Department of Education's current budget for
2016 was 70.7 billion dollars.

It has a staff of approximately 4,400 government
employees.

One of the mandates of the Department of Education
was to improve math & science scores of American
students. Math and science scores have stayed flat
in all those years that the Department of Education
has been in operation.


Hopefully that wasteful piece of shit gets dumped
followed by four more useless Departments that
cost the taxpayers hundreds of billions each year.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Do your own homework.

Oh,no. That's not how it works. You make the assertion, you bring the cite.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Carter created the Department of Education in
1979. It started with a budget of 14.5 billion dollars.

The Department of Education's current budget for
2016 was 70.7 billion dollars.

It has a staff of approximately 4,400 government
employees.

One of the mandates of the Department of Education
was to improve math & science scores of American
students. Math and science scores have stayed flat
in all those years that the Department of Education
has been in operation.


Hopefully that wasteful piece of shit gets dumped
followed by four more useless Departments that
cost the taxpayers hundreds of billions each year.

I'd still love to see those stats.

 

[sr71plt]

Hopefully that wasteful piece of shit gets dumped
followed by four more useless Departments that
cost the taxpayers hundreds of billions each year.

Yes, because we need that money to cover the spousal separation choices of the president (much of which is going to be rental costs to go into the pocket of the president).

 

[Zeb_Carter]

If you don't want to do the work then you'll get a D, a passing grade but even lazy little assholes get pushed forward in U.S. public schools.

 

[sr71plt]

There you go.

Umm, no, not actually. That's an assertion, not a source citation.

 

[oggbashan]

My comment is more constitutional and general than specific and focused.

The french revolution then probably contributed to the enslavement of students' minds secular = slavery; without question.

...

I have an original 18th Century French newspaper that gives details of the education system proposed by the French Republic a few years after the revolution. Before the revolution almost all schooling in France where it existed was run by the Catholic church.

The proposals were for parallel schools for boys and girls to be established in every community of 1000 people. They set details of what was to be taught. It was very comprehensive and its aims were to provide an educated public.

Both boys and girls were to be taught exactly the same subjects including Mathematics (including algebra and geometry), Sciences, Geography, History and of course The Rights of Man and the duties of French citizens.

Both were to be taught about conception, birth and child-rearing. Both were to participate in gymnastics and drill (meaning athletic exercises). The boys were to be taught basic military skills such as musketry. The only difference was that while the girls were being taught about more detail on pregnancy and child birth the boys would be taught surveying - a useful military skill and one in which the French were the world leaders at the time.

They were expected to spend some time with local businesses including agriculture and manufacturing - an early example of work experience - and local businessmen were to be invited into the schools to talk about trade and industry.

Of course local politicians would explain the new French governmental systems and organisation because ALL the pupils, male and female, would have the vote when they were 21 years old. They had to be able to understand the principles of logic and rhetoric as part of their democratic education. Whether the politicians would actually realise that the children they were talking to had been trained to detect bullshit?

It never happened because the French Republic couldn't afford the proposals while fighting foreign armies. But later on Napoleon Bonaparte introduced a version of those proposals. It made French children the best educated in Europe at that time .

 

[Rightguide]

We have another example of a poster taking a random, insignificant fact, trying to turn it into a significant fact with the intention of saying, "How can you end an institution that has been in continuous operation since the end of the Civil War?"

:O

And if you're not buying this line of argumentation, then you are simply uneducated.

When actually it's the asserter of the "insignificant fact" who is undereducated.

 

[oggbashan]

The institution HAS been in operation since 1867.

It just changed its title and grew its role.

 

[irksomesauce]

Ok, since everyone seems to have settled into their predictable partisans ruts, lets turn this discussion up a big notch and try focusing on the factual ARMED OFFENSIVE force the Department of Education has morphed into specifically:

Beware the U.S. Education Department SWAT team
http://www.heritage.org/crime-and-justice/commentary/beware-the-us-education-department-swat-team


After justifying to yourselves why the Department of Education is militarized more than many nations, please continue justifying even more repugnantly statist overreach:

Pretty Much EVERY Government Agency Has Guns
http://www.dailywire.com/news/6713/pretty-much-every-government-agency-has-guns-hank-berrien

For those conspiracy-minded people who think the U.S. government is out to get them, here’s some ammunition they could use: the arming of federal government employees now shows the number of non-Defense Department federal officers carrying firearms (200,000) now exceeds the number of U.S. Marines (182,000)

...The spectrum of agencies whose employees are armed is cause for real concern. The authors note that IRS agents have access to AR-15 military-style rifles, Health and Human Services “Special Office of Inspector General Agents” have been trained by the Army’s Special Forces contractors, and the Department of Veterans Affairs boats 3,700 armed employees. According to the op-ed, federal officers with arrest-and-firearm authority numbered 74, 500 in 1996; over 200,000 exist today.

Here are some more staggering statistics: between 2005 and 2014, the IRS spent $11 million on guns, ammunition and military-style equipment; the Department of Veterans Affairs spent $11.66 million, including over $200,000 on night-vision equipment, $2.3 million for body armor, over $2 million on guns, and $3.6 million for ammunition; The Animal and Plant Health Inspection Service “spent $4.77 million purchasing shotguns, .308 caliber rifles, night-vision goggles, propane cannons, liquid explosives, pyro supplies, buckshot, LP gas cannons, drones, remote-control helicopters, thermal cameras, military waterproof thermal infrared scopes and more.”

There’s more: The Environmental Protection Agency spent $3.1 million on guns, ammunition and military-style equipment; The Food and Drug Administration has 183 heavily armed “special agents.”

And more: the Small Business Administration, Social Security Administration, National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, Education Department, Energy Department, Bureau of Engraving and Printing, National Institute of Standards and Technology have all increased their arsenals.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Ok, since everyone seems to have settled into their predictable partisans ruts, lets turn this discussion up a big notch and try focusing on the factual ARMED OFFENSIVE force the Department of Education has morphed into specifically:

I don't believe any teacher or principal in America is afraid of armed goons from the DoE.

 

[Rightguide]

The institution HAS been in operation since 1867.

It just changed its title and grew its role.

By gigantic orders of magnitude.

 

[KingOrfeo]

By gigantic orders of magnitude.

And why not? Look around the world. All the countries whose students know more than American students have centralized national education systems and vigorous ministries of education.

 

[Sean]

God help the poor kids in the likes of Alabama and Tennessee when their science lessons consist of "cos Jesus" and their history classes are the book of Genesis.

 

[Rightguide]

And why not? Look around the world. All the countries whose students know more than American students have centralized national education systems and vigorous ministries of education.

Simple, our centralized educational priorities are political indoctrination, not economically viable educational skills. Instead of engineers, we have political automatons confined in the straitjacket of political correctness and the social weakness of liberal dogma.

 

[sr71plt]

God help the poor kids in the likes of Alabama and Tennessee when their science lessons consist of "cos Jesus" and their history classes are the book of Genesis.

There's something to be said for letting the laws of Darwinism set in, though. Because, invariably these kids' parents were among those voting this in, so they can face having an unemployable kid living in their basement and pillaging their refrigerator until death them do part.