H.R. 899: “The Department of Education shall terminate on December 31, 2018.”

[4est_4est_Gump]

Will retired public school teachers be able to teach at private schools after retiring?

Local politics. We have good, strong schools here. The private schools are the usual religious schools, so if that was where you wanted to teach, you'd probably would have taken a job there long before retirement...

 

[Conager]

My understanding of that 8% figure is that a significant portion of it is school lunch money which actually comes out of the farm bill. There's other money that comes from infrastructure grants and things like that. Most of that is not actually coming from the Department of Education I haven't seen a figure on the actual Department of Education number.

 

[EternalFantasy]

Well then this is a great idea no?

Consider this: The nazi left in France, is forcing certain teaching throughout the schools, since its a public system. the Canadian french are following suit. The children are becoming more and more minions of the state and brainwashed, not given good tools to grow.

I am liking this move by Massie.

 

[water505]

There must be a corrupt federal judge somewhere who will invalidate this racist, anti-everything excuse for a law!

It's for the children.

 

[oggbashan]

Well then this is a great idea no?

Consider this: The nazi left in France, is forcing certain teaching throughout the schools, since its a public system. the Canadian french are following suit. The children are becoming more and more minions of the state and brainwashed, not given good tools to grow.

I am liking this move by Massie.

A national curriculum setting what is to be taught in French schools has been in existence since the 18th Century French Revolution. Until recently you could walk into any French primary school and know what lesson would be being taught to each year group.

In recent years that has changed and French schools have been given slightly more flexibility but the national curriculum still exists.

In the UK we too have a national curriculum that is the subject of fierce debate.

In both countries one of the reasons for a national curriculum was to ensure that religious schools taught normal subjects as well as the religious element. Immediately after the French Revolution all schools had to be secular. Before then schools, where they existed, were Catholic and run by priests.

In the UK the Department of Education, whatever it is called, sets the National Curriculum and how much money schools can get. Each local county authority used to provide and run schools but that has changed with the introduction of Academy schools and before them opted-out schools run by their governors. All have to comply with the national curriculum but they can, and do, ignore local county edicts.

However, the county education authority, despite losing control of most schools, still has to ensure that all children are educated. That role may disappear if ALL schools become Academies.

In any large scale organisation tension between the central headquarters and local providers is almost universal. If that tension is recognised and worked with it can improve the whole organisation. If it is fiercely fought? It can wreck the organisation. In France the centre wants to claw back control it has given away. In the UK the central government wants to give more control to local people but bypassing the equivalent of City Hall. Which is right?

Probably neither.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

You mean they may not grow up to write dirty novels about incest and cheating wives?

No they may not be able to construct a proper sentence.

I tried to write that in text speak, but I am unable. Of course text speak may become the new English and old fossils like us will be relegated to writing for other old fossils like us.

 

[ryan8558]

Just wondering how many jobs are going to be impacted shutting down this department?

 

[ryan8558]

and Google says 4400.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Oh, they won't be "lost."

They'll be reallocated.

 

[Rightguide]

One size fits all education standards centered in DC is an unAmerican concept. State and local officials close to their constituencies ought to be setting the standards their communities require.

 

[teddie_grl]

I actually went through school, elementary and high school, before there even was a Department of Indoctrination...er...Education. Looking back on what and how I was taught, it was way different than what and how my children and grandchildren were/are being taught. They are also treated, (I want to say wrong, but I should probably say differently) differently. They are all being made the same.

Just a little food for thought.

You do realize that the Dept. of Ed, was conceived in 1867? Being belligerent of facts, leads Me to believe, that you didn't really pay attention in school, and having a Dept of Ed, didn't really matter.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Well then this is a great idea no?

Consider this: The nazi left in France, is forcing certain teaching throughout the schools, since its a public system. the Canadian french are following suit. The children are becoming more and more minions of the state and brainwashed, not given good tools to grow.

Cite?

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

You do realize that the Dept. of Ed, was conceived in 1867? Being belligerent of facts, leads Me to believe, that you didn't really pay attention in school, and having a Dept of Ed, didn't really matter.

The United States Department of Education (ED or DoED), also referred to as the ED for (the) Education Department, is a Cabinet-level department of the United States government. Recreated by the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88) and signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on October 17, 1979, it began operating on May 4, 1980.[3]

The Department of Education Organization Act divided the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare into the Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services. The Department of Education is administered by the United States Secretary of Education. It has approximately 4,400 employees and an annual budget of US$68 Billion (2016).[1]

Was it?

 

[teddie_grl]

The United States Department of Education (ED or DoED), also referred to as the ED for (the) Education Department, is a Cabinet-level department of the United States government. Recreated by the Department of Education Organization Act (Public Law 96-88) and signed into law by President Jimmy Carter on October 17, 1979, it began operating on May 4, 1980.[3]

The Department of Education Organization Act divided the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare into the Department of Education and the Department of Health and Human Services. The Department of Education is administered by the United States Secretary of Education. It has approximately 4,400 employees and an annual budget of US$68 Billion (2016).[1]

Was it?

Indeed he did, but the fact remains the the Dept was conceived in 1867, as a Department. A year or so later is was relegated to an office of education, and remained, an office until sometime in the thirties, when it was included into the HEW, if I recall. ( I could be wrong) Carter thought it was a good idea, to have education a separate concern. Not a bad idea, just a bad situation, where politicians , suck the life out of a good idea, and live on the proceeds of their donors. Oh and BTW I don't give a rats ass to either side, they are both there to have a 'job'

 

[Rightguide]

You do realize that the Dept. of Ed, was conceived in 1867? Being belligerent of facts, leads Me to believe, that you didn't really pay attention in school, and having a Dept of Ed, didn't really matter.

In 1867 there were 7 cabinet level offices, none had anything to do with education.

 

[Rightguide]

Indeed he did, but the fact remains the the Dept was conceived in 1867, as a Department. A year or so later is was relegated to an office of education, and remained, an office until sometime in the thirties, when it was included into the HEW, if I recall. ( I could be wrong) Carter thought it was a good idea, to have education a separate concern. Not a bad idea, just a bad situation, where politicians , suck the life out of a good idea, and live on the proceeds of their donors. Oh and BTW I don't give a rats ass to either side, they are both there to have a 'job'

Conceived as a department of what?

 

[KingOrfeo]

There is no greater good President Trump can lead this great nation back to than the natural law of subsidiarity (even if unconsciously).

There are natural laws in physics and chemistry and that's all. What is this "natural law of subsidiarity"?

 

[teddie_grl]

Education, after the civil war. Do a little reading at the library , and get off your gameboy.

 

[oggbashan]

Well then this is a great idea no?

Consider this: The nazi left in France, is forcing certain teaching throughout the schools, since its a public system. the Canadian french are following suit. The children are becoming more and more minions of the state and brainwashed, not given good tools to grow.

...

Bullshit!

The proposed changes in France allow more flexibility, not less. The French left, particularly the teaching unions, are opposed to reforms introduced by a left government. They don't want change.

http://www.thelocal.fr/20150519/french-school-reforms-why-all-the-fuss

http://www.thelocal.fr/20160831/everything-thats-changing-about-french-schools-this-year

 

[teddie_grl]

Conceived as a department of what?

And this is why we have a Dept of Ed. To give, those less educated dipsticks, that ask a question, when the answer is there.

 

[KingOrfeo]

In its present form the DoE really only dates from 1979.

 

[KingOrfeo]

DoE:

The primary functions of the Department of Education are to "establish policy for, administer and coordinate most federal assistance to education, collect data on US schools, and to enforce federal educational laws regarding privacy and civil rights."[12] The Department of Education does not establish schools or colleges.[13]

Unlike the systems of most other countries, education in the United States is highly decentralized, and the federal government and Department of Education are not heavily involved in determining curricula or educational standards (with the recent exception of the No Child Left Behind Act). This has been left to state and local school districts. The quality of educational institutions and their degrees is maintained through an informal private process known as accreditation, over which the Department of Education has no direct public jurisdictional control.

The Department's mission is: to promote student achievement and preparation for global competitiveness by fostering educational excellence and ensuring equal access.[14] Aligned with this mission of ensuring equal access to education, the Department of Education is a member of the United States Interagency Council on Homelessness,[15] and works with federal partners to ensure proper education for homeless and runaway youth in the United States.

Now, just what part of that is dispensable?

 

[teddie_grl]

Education, after the civil war. Do a little reading at the library , and get off your gameboy.

Oh, I said library and not an online source. My mistake in thinking that you're going to do any research, without tapping a key or tugging an internet following.

 

[teddie_grl]

In its present form the DoE really only dates from 1979.

Indeed you are right, but it did exist, in the late 1800's after the war, and yes it started as a Department. A year or so later it was cut back to an office. So no Secretary of "bla bla bla" was required.

 

[Rightguide]

And this is why we have a Dept of Ed. To give, those less educated dipsticks, that ask a question, when the answer is there.

You didn't answer my question. You said it was conceived in 1867. I asked, as a department of What? Because there was no such department in the federal cabinet in 1867.