Ok - Let's do it this way: Let's Make It Interesting!

[EternalFantasy]

This Washington State Lawyer filed for a Temporary Restraining Order On the 90 day Visa ban from those countries of concern. there will be a court battle, and eventually the 90 days ban will go one, or be reversed.

Let's wager. it's the weekend, and it's sex, drugs, alcohol and Casino time.

Vote if the ban will remain, or be reversed. Since it's an open debate, what you voted will be visible.

Something to keep in mind, a vote that the ban will remain does not mean the person supports the ban, only means they wagered on the right outcome. and vice versa.

And instead of political stuff that takes years to see the final result, this is within a week! Fun!

One can support their vote, or simply go against it, but think the outcome will be as such.

p.s. I wanted a week long poll, seems there's a 48 hrs limit.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...enter-us/ar-AAmBVS0?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartanntp

The State Department says previously banned travelers will be allowed to enter the United States after a federal judge in Washington state on Friday temporarily blocked enforcement of President Trump’s controversial immigration ban.

“We have reversed the provisional revocation of visas under” Trump’s executive order, a State Department spokesman said Saturday. “Those individuals with visas that were not physically canceled may now travel if the visa is otherwise valid.”

Knowing he would lose in court, Trump has the ban on Visas reversed.

 

[JackLuis]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...enter-us/ar-AAmBVS0?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartanntp



Knowing he would lose in court, Trump has the ban on Visas reversed.

I would argue "Facts not in evidence", Trump has not reversed his EO. The State Dept. has just said that the Courts have judged it unlawful and invalid.

tRump cannot be credited for having that much sense, to revoke his derp. In fact he has impugned the courts. Another example of his lack of understanding how a Republic works.

 

[EternalFantasy]

Dammit!

Where's the fun now...


I was hoping this wagering poll would be fun.

Snif.

 

[EternalFantasy]

I would argue "Facts not in evidence", Trump has not reversed his EO. The State Dept. has just said that the Courts have judged it unlawful and invalid.

tRump cannot be credited for having that much sense, to revoke his derp. In fact he has impugned the courts. Another example of his lack of understanding how a Republic works.

Was there a judging? It was a TRO. Merely halting something until you can have a ruling.

No judging or ruling took place. Unless they had a hearing too while I took my shower??

They merely backed down and not let it go to a ruling. Maybe too risky, public opinion, precedence... dunno.

 

[Carnal_Flower]

Correction: the State Department (not Trump) has reversed parts of Trump's EO, because the Courts have judged it unlawful and invalid:

State Dept. reverses visa revocations, allowing previously banned travelers to enter U.S.

So Trump's Executive power checked by both the Courts and the State Dept.

I would argue "Facts not in evidence", Trump has not reversed his EO. The State Dept. has just said that the Courts have judged it unlawful and invalid.

tRump cannot be credited for having that much sense, to revoke his derp. In fact he has impugned the courts. Another example of his lack of understanding how a Republic works.

 

[JackLuis]

Correction: the State Department (not Trump) has reversed parts of Trump's EO, because the Courts have judged it unlawful and invalid:

So Trump's Executive power checked by both the Courts and the State Dept.

Checked by the Court, and recognized by the State Dept as now invalid derp. But he did receive his serving of butt hurt for Friday. I wonder what will be served to him today? Perhaps CNN refusing KAC as a derp guest for Sunday will piss him off?

But after two whole weeks of Presidenting, he took the weekend off and flew to Florida to lick his wounds. Maybe he'll be eaten by an alligator?

 

[domroger]

Maybe he'll be eaten by an alligator?

I know they like their food a little on the gamey side ,but he would be enough to give it indigestion .

 

[srgreene]

This Washington State Lawyer filed for a Temporary Restraining Order On the 90 day Visa ban from those countries of concern. there will be a court battle, and eventually the 90 days ban will go one, or be reversed.

Let's wager. it's the weekend, and it's sex, drugs, alcohol and Casino time.

For me, the only alcohol may be a glass of wine with supper, and the only drugs will be one for osteopenia. But I can always hope for the sex, lol.

In any case, I wagered that the ban would be upheld, as overturning it would be an encroachment on executive authority.

What I find galling about this bruhaha is that previous presidents, including Obama, have implemented similar bans, although I don't think so many nations were affected at one time. But nobody said much when Obama did- with Trump, you might think the storm troopers were given free reign or that it was Armageddon.

 

[srgreene]

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...enter-us/ar-AAmBVS0?li=AA5a8k&ocid=spartanntp Knowing he would lose in court, Trump has the ban on Visas reversed. ... So Trump's Executive power checked by both the Courts and the State Dept.

State reacted once the court had ruled. I don't think State can override POTUS- after all, they are part of the executive branch. But the way the Constitution has been interpreted- although it doesn't really state this- the executive branch can be overruled in many instances by the judiciary.

 

[EternalFantasy]

For me, the only alcohol may be a glass of wine with supper, and the only drugs will be one for osteopenia. But I can always hope for the sex, lol.

In any case, I wagered that the ban would be upheld, as overturning it would be an encroachment on executive authority.

What I find galling about this bruhaha is that previous presidents, including Obama, have implemented similar bans, although I don't think so many nations were affected at one time. But nobody said much when Obama did- with Trump, you might think the storm troopers were given free reign or that it was Armageddon.

Oh I wasn't suggesting each one engages in all of the above )) ; i meant it's generally the weekend's menu. Would have been fun to wager; win or lose.

And yes, like I said in the other thread, its pure politics and diffusion of frustrations...

like i posted before, I think this ban - while fully legal - isn't necessarily effective.

I think ALL nationalities - even Americans - should be scrutinized if they visited any of those countries. Just like Obama decreed.

 

[EternalFantasy]

It looks like we are back in business. DOJ filed to continue the ban.

Taking bets now, taking wagers now.

 

[EternalFantasy]

So no takers?

No one wants to vote/wager on the eventual outcome of this subject?


KingOfOreos for instance, is a lawyer; he should know that in advance no?

 

[EternalFantasy]

It wasn't only Pres Obama who listed those countries, it dates long before that.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9RC1Mepk_Sw

You simply substitute Lebanon with Yemen.

 

[domroger]

Just goes to show how big oil and the armaments industry control political thinking .
,by never taking measures against those countries who are backing terrorists .

 

[EternalFantasy]

I think matters relating to Israel would have still produced similar outcomes, just perhaps not in the same way.

Clark doesn't understand those. If he did, he probably would have never given that interview.

 

[sr71plt]

Perhaps if the administration went back to zero on this and presented it correctly and logically rather than just jumping into it with big boots and ignorance, it would/will work. The countries focused on have a logic separate from where terrorists have come from in the past, which they had when the Obama administration picked them out. They are countries in so much internal turmoil that background records on people can't be found or are totally unreliable. So, yes, strict vetting--which the United States already does and has done for decades under different-party administrations--would invariably keep out more people from these areas than from others.

If the administration backtracked and built and showed the logic of all this, I think it would work. It's not that it would be a ban, but an even more strict vetting of immigrant applicants. Acknowledge that the vetting already is done but that it should add rigor. And don't call out certain countries. Let them naturally sift to the bottom of those gaining entrance on the basis of insufficient information being available from the originating countries to pass the vetting.

Even here, there's the problem, though of justifying more rigorous vetting. What's actually happening in terms of terrorism in the United States hasn't yet shown out to have any connection to immigration from the targeted countries. (In large part because the vetting we already do keeps the numbers let in from those countries low). Maybe it will show out as relevant. Infiltrating immigrant with terrorists is a logical strategy. But there needs to be some evidence that it's happening. Maybe if Trump weren't being such an asshole toward the intelligence community, they would find evidence of actual planning to do this for him. Right now, though, all he deserves from the intelligence community is the raised middle finger.

But presenting the program more logically and without the hamfisted bumbling the current administration is doing would work with the majority, I think.

 

[EternalFantasy]

Things do not work this way in the political world, let alone one dealing with int'l intelligence and security, and so, during a bottleneck. You don't tell your opponents what you are doing, when, and ahead of time...

I won't risk having a discussion with you, except to say, take whatever you are expecting, and/or generally expect, and apply it to governments of other countries starting with Russia.

Then you'll see a cry baby somewhere.

 

[sr71plt]

Things do not work this way in the political world, let alone one dealing with int'l intelligence and security, and so, during a bottleneck. You don't tell your opponents what you are doing, when, and ahead of time...

I won't risk having a discussion with you, except to say, take whatever you are expecting, and/or generally expect, and apply it to governments of other countries starting with Russia.

Then you'll see a cry baby somewhere.

I won't risk a discussion with you because you've shown you know zero about politics and are just here to to be a jerk. My post pretty much agrees with the goal of this administration (and the last one--and probably a majority of Americans) on this issue and indicates how they should go about getting there as opposed to the hamfisted approach they've taken and that, obviously, has worked a "charm." And still you are just being "no" about anything that anyone other than you has posted. So, right, don't risk having a discussion with me--because you don't have the chops to do it.

 

[EternalFantasy]

I carry my impressions from a thread to another - I don't start over robotically.

Someone calling me stupid, then gets proven wrong, runs away and does not apologize, then wants to engage me again....

I dunno. Maybe people on here are used to this. I'm not.

 

[dan_c00000]

Just goes to show how big oil and the armaments industry control political thinking .
,by never taking measures against those countries who are backing terrorists .

And of course where Trump has business ties.

 

[sr71plt]

I carry my impressions from a thread to another - I don't start over robotically.

Someone calling me stupid, then gets proven wrong, runs away and does not apologize, then wants to engage me again....

I dunno. Maybe people on here are used to this. I'm not.

I don't recall ever calling you stupid and not being spot on. I do waft away from your discussions because discussion with you is worthless.

 

[EternalFantasy]

Current updates:

The TRO itself is under scrutiny in the current hearing, not the overall ban.

I think this matter maybe be ultimately sent to the SC to ensure to judges with colorful butterfly ties decide to play commander in chief anymore.

 

[EternalFantasies1]

A little bit overdue.

 

[EternalFantasies]

A walk up memory lane?

Where's that writer-SR-pilot?

Did he really pass away?