Question for those commonly on the left

[EllieTalbot]

What would need to take place for you to conclude that there's a fundamental problem with the narratives and agendas of your own fellow politicos?

Curious in a Cucumber Patch,
Ellie

 

[about_average]

What would it take for you to point out the "facts" that you claimed Sean Spicer had in his first news conference?

 

[Saint Peter]

Hello Ellie,

My fellow politicos?

Seems a little black and white. Break a magnet in two and both pieces still have a north and a south. The election has been very polarizing. Lit is very polarizing. You are either with me or against me.

Real life? I vote and have opinions on both sides of the line. What the people on Lit have to say about it matters as little to me as what I say about it matters to you.

 

[EllieTalbot]

What would it take for you to point out the "facts" that you claimed Sean Spicer had in his first news conference?

By the time I logged in tonight (er... this morning) and saw the drunken, uriney mess that thread had turned into, I knew it was a no-go for replies. What do I do first? Snark about the dunce who calls himself Disgustipated? Chide the cretins eager to believe his crap? Even replying to the only earnest post in the entire thing (zippy) would only be perpetuating a rancid mess.

I thought it best to try reducing everything down to the truly essential question I have for those who break out the torches and pitchforks whenever I say something they think is right-wingy.

So please stay on topic.

If you're really that curious about what I think of the news conference, feel free to launch your very own thread titled, "I challenge EllieTalbot to spell out what she thinks of Spicer's news conference. The one from a couple days ago." Or something.

Hello Ellie,

My fellow politicos?

Seems a little black and white. Break a magnet in two and both pieces still have a north and a south. The election has been very polarizing. Lit is very polarizing. You are either with me or against me.

Real life? I vote and have opinions on both sides of the line. What the people on Lit have to say about it matters as little to me as what I say about it matters to you.

That's a very respectful non-answer. You get a cookie, but the empty kind without any sugar or gluten.

Basting in a Bakery,
Ellie

 

[hashtag46]

Hello Ellie,

My fellow politicos?

Seems a little black and white. Break a magnet in two and both pieces still have a north and a south. The election has been very polarizing. Lit is very polarizing. You are either with me or against me.

Real life? I vote and have opinions on both sides of the line. What the people on Lit have to say about it matters as little to me as what I say about it matters to you.

Damn. First time that pete makes sense.

Me too.
IRL I'm far more mellow and less polarized. Here on the GB I stick to the conservatives' side because they seem to be the clever ones.

 

[EllieTalbot]

Damn. First time that pete makes sense.

Erm, you have't been around long, have you? Pete makes sense often. Granted, it's usually sense without a point, but sense nonethless.

Me too.
IRL I'm far more mellow and less polarized.

Aren't we all?

Here on the GB I stick to the conservatives' side because they seem to be the clever ones.

Erm... really?

I find the right on the GB to be generally lacking in cleverness (earnest, yes, and there are a few good eggs, but cleverness is rare) although there's a definite shift underway, and it's not just on the GB. It was the left who could laugh and deliver zingers. It was the left who could cut down to the quick of an issue and be convincing. But no more... and it's so strange. If the left was capable of morphing into shrill, pious, humorless, violent bigots in this country, I didn't think it would ever happen in my lifetime.

But it has, and there's no such thing as an excuse, let alone a good reason.


Watcher on the Wasatch Front,
Ellie

 

[oggbashan]

I'm neither on the left nor in the US but...

Modern US Presidential politics have had a tradition of family members standing.

Brother of, son of, and latest - wife of. Out of all the possible candidates a political party could choose from, they chose a relation of a previous President. While that is not unexpected in India where links to those who campaigned for India's independence have visibility and status, in the USA the possibilities should be much wider.

It emphasises the idea that Washington is an inward-looking incestuous clique remote from ordinary people.

Congress and the Senate seem to be dominated by the same people from each party and some of those elected appear to assume that they are like hereditary Lords, not representatives of the people. The UK's House of Lords seems to be more representative and closer to the electorate than US Senators appear to be.

The left needs new blood who can support and deliver popular policies, not the same old people still fighting yesterday's causes.

Is President Trump the ultimate candidate of those who would vote "None of the above" or "A plague on both sides"? After President Trump, US politics should change. If he and his administration don't change the way Washington works US politics will continue to be irrelevant to most.

Elections are won by appealing to people who are not your core supporters. Hilary Clinton alienated some of hers. So did Donald Trump. But he attracted people who wouldn't normally vote and those who wouldn't normally vote Republican. Even so his victory was unexpected. Did people vote FOR Trump? Or AGAINST Clinton? Or even AGAINST the Washington establishment?

It doesn't matter now. Both parties need to learn lessons from the campaign.

 

[Liar]

I've long since concluded that political narratives are by nature fundamentally flawed. Those on "my" side included. Whichever side that is.

Which is why I primarily engage in realpolitik. And laugh at political shennanigans.

 

[EllieTalbot]

I'm neither on the left nor in the US but...

Modern US Presidential politics have had a tradition of family members standing.

Brother of, son of, and latest - wife of. Out of all the possible candidates a political party could choose from, they chose a relation of a previous President. While that is not unexpected in India where links to those who campaigned for India's independence have visibility and status, in the USA the possibilities should be much wider.

You'd think so, but I'm not quite sure of the India analogy. It's just that those who campaigned for America's independence had visibility and status, too, and were subsequently in power. While a nation might be formed with the idea that any worthy commoner can earn power, it seems that one has to be in the thick of things to really have access.

I like to think that technology is part of the answer to that problem. The 'net has really expanded the playing field.

It emphasises the idea that Washington is an inward-looking incestuous clique remote from ordinary people.

It is. *shrug*

The left needs new blood who can support and deliver popular policies, not the same old people still fighting yesterday's causes.

Maybe. Populism is fine, as long as what's popular is sound. But I couldn't agree more that the left needs new blood. The left doesn't agree. So far, it's digging its heels into its own quicksand.

Is President Trump the ultimate candidate of those who would vote "None of the above" or "A plague on both sides"? After President Trump, US politics should change. If he and his administration don't change the way Washington works US politics will continue to be irrelevant to most.

Or rather, it should be irrelevant to most if it doesn't change after this. We're a bit of a behemoth on the world stage, at a time when we should be some inconsequential island no one has to deal with. But we're not.

Elections are won by appealing to people who are not your core supporters. Hilary Clinton alienated some of hers. So did Donald Trump. But he attracted people who wouldn't normally vote and those who wouldn't normally vote Republican. Even so his victory was unexpected. Did people vote FOR Trump? Or AGAINST Clinton? Or even AGAINST the Washington establishment?

It doesn't matter now. Both parties need to learn lessons from the campaign.

The thing is, I think the right has learned lessons from this. Even when the evangelicals realize they're not getting anything for their religious agenda but heaps of pandering talk with no policy behind it, I suspect they'll just sit back and count their blessings.

But the left...

the left.

And I still want to know how in the hell you survived the flood, my liege. Answer that, since you didn't answer my thread question.

Devilish in Devonshire,
Ellie

 

[oggbashan]

...

And I still want to know how in the hell you survived the flood, my liege. Answer that, since you didn't answer my thread question.

Devilish in Devonshire,
Ellie

Simple. I rode on the roof of the Ark.

 

[hashtag46]

1.Erm, you have't been around long, have you? Pete makes sense often. Granted, it's usually sense without a point, but sense nonethless.
Aren't we all?

2.I find the right on the GB to be generally lacking in cleverness (earnest, yes, and there are a few good eggs, but cleverness is rare), although there's a definite shift underway, and it's not just on the GB.
-- - It was the left who could laugh and deliver zingers. It was the left who could cut down to the quick of an issue and be convincing.
--- But no more... and it's so strange. If the left was capable of morphing into shrill, pious, humorless, violent bigots in this country, I didn't think it would ever happen in my lifetime.

1.I wasn't serious. I sometimes do that to annoy people.

My personal view is :
From a strictly ideological pov, I don't feel that any political party (be they libs. or conservatives) are better than the other. They both have strengths and weaknesses.

Although IRL (I live in Australia) my own personality makes me gravitate towards liberals and to avoid conservatives.
If I seem to lean towards GB conservatives at the moment, I do it mainly because I'm particularly interested in what three of them have to say, as well in the GB drama & the entertainment factor. GB is often like a big reality show lol.



2.Fascinating thing
I heard about that and noticed that too, and I keep and keep asking myself why that is. Because it contradicts almost everything that I believed about liberals, prior to joining the GB.
So far, I came up with two "hypotheses":

a.// I don't think that a % of GBers who call themselves "liberals" are true liberals. I think they're globalists, communists or so on, and they are just as or even more R-wing in their views than the so-called R-wingers.
--- I think politics today are such a mix of everything, and that politicians are manipulating all sorts of popullar notions to their advantage, that most concepts have lost their original and true meaning. The only constant today is that most politicians are lackeys to the 1% and globalists.

b.// At any point in time, those who take for granted and embrace without questioning the mainstream narrative are more likely to get too comfortable and no longer challenge their thinking. If you look at the mainstream media today, most of it is formulaic and propagandistic and it recycles the same talking points.
-- But those movements that are not mainstream, or alternative media need to constantly search for fresh ideas and new angles in order to survive. One might not always agree with their ideology, but still admire their thinking.

 

[Magnetron]

What would need to take place for you to conclude that there's a fundamental problem with the narratives and agendas of your own fellow politicos?

Curious in a Cucumber Patch,
Ellie

What has already taken place is that people in this country voted for a supreme ass clown despite proof of him telling outright lies and misleading statements often within mere minutes of their utterance - be them in speech, debate or tweet. Unfortunately, this giant twaddlehopper got elected President. The lies and misleading statements continue, compounded with a firewall of dooshmongers spewing and defending the spewing of alternative facts.

The fundamental problem with the narratives and agendas of the usual right wing circle jerkers here in particular is that they are morons without anything better to do with there lives, ever evident by their partisan sniveling and whining the moment someone volunteers a criticism about the aforementioned man banana slapper and his cabinet of black spotted potatoes. This conclusion is easy to arrive at based on the tens of thousands of posts, numerous alt accounts and hours frittered away daily in the useless pursuit of trolling what they term Libbies, Lefties, Dems and Snowflakes - despite their awareness of already being on Ignore Lists for having demonstrated their uselessness to society.

 

[hashtag46]

What has already taken place is that people in this country voted for a supreme ass clown despite proof of him telling outright lies and misleading statements often within mere minutes of their utterance - be them in speech, debate or tweet. Unfortunately, this giant twaddlehopper got elected President. The lies and misleading statements continue, compounded with a firewall of dooshmongers spewing and defending the spewing of alternative facts.

The fundamental problem with the narratives and agendas of the usual right wing circle jerkers here in particular is that they are morons without anything better to do with there lives, ever evident by their partisan sniveling and whining the moment someone volunteers a criticism about the aforementioned man banana slapper and his cabinet of black spotted potatoes. This conclusion is easy to arrive at based on the tens of thousands of posts, numerous alt accounts and hours frittered away daily in the useless pursuit of trolling what they term Libbies, Lefties, Dems and Snowflakes - despite their awareness of already being on Ignore Lists for having demonstrated their uselessness to society.

I guess you just proved our point lol

 

[Lancecastor]

What would need to take place for you to conclude that there's a fundamental problem with the narratives and agendas of your own fellow politicos?

Curious in a Cucumber Patch,
Ellie

I'm thinking if there was a hillary-huma sex tape with huma pegging hillary while Bill watches from the corner in one of his low-buttoned navy suits, smoking a cigar while being blown by Ivanka... the rainbow lickers might pause to reflect.

Or masturbate.

 

[Conager]

What has already taken place is that people in this country voted for a supreme ass clown despite proof of him telling outright lies and misleading statements often within mere minutes of their utterance - be them in speech, debate or tweet. Unfortunately, this giant twaddlehopper got elected President. The lies and misleading statements continue, compounded with a firewall of dooshmongers spewing and defending the spewing of alternative facts.

The fundamental problem with the narratives and agendas of the usual right wing circle jerkers here in particular is that they are morons without anything better to do with there lives, ever evident by their partisan sniveling and whining the moment someone volunteers a criticism about the aforementioned man banana slapper and his cabinet of black spotted potatoes. This conclusion is easy to arrive at based on the tens of thousands of posts, numerous alt accounts and hours frittered away daily in the useless pursuit of trolling what they term Libbies, Lefties, Dems and Snowflakes - despite their awareness of already being on Ignore Lists for having demonstrated their uselessness to society.

...says the guy who failed in his bid to organize a general board invasion from 4chan on the strength of his sef-described quality shit-posting efforts.

...also the guy so lacking in imagination that he stole fata's entire persona, name and even avatar to use on another board.

 

[Magnetron]

Does Query have any other alts he could add to this thread?


I suppose he could post for a third time as Que.

 

[Pookie]

Simple. I rode on the roof of the Ark.

Please tell me you wore a pirate hat!

 

[Conager]

Does Query have any other alts he could add to this thread?


I suppose he could post for a third time as Que.

This is the only login I have used for months.

Nonresponsive deflection. Why do you suppose that your fellow shitposters at 4chan have so little respect for you?

 

[hashtag46]

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[Lancecastor]

This is the only login I have used for months.

Nonresponsive deflection. Why do you suppose that your fellow shitposters at 4chan have so little respect for you?

You guys should start a thread completely governed by Roberts Rules of Order.

But create alts that are hot females. Lots of short skirts and long jackets.

 

[EllieTalbot]

Simple. I rode on the roof of the Ark.

That can't be true. Fairy tales, I say!


As for everyone else.... some deserve earnest replies, some deserve less. And you will get them tomorrow when I'm not about to nod off and hit the keyboard with my forehOWU$WOIHFNLKNLKSNDIIIBEF*#**#*$Y.

Snoring in Seattle,
Ellie

 

[water505]

Leftists call themselves open minded and inclusive but have zero tolerance for opinions which differ from theirs. They are totally incapable of changing their minds and ignore facts and logic that disprove their false narratives. Worst of all they defend the likes of Hillary and Barry despite irrefutable proof that both of them are deceitful, habitual liars. As a liberal friend of mine said a few months ago about Hillary: "so she has a little trouble with the truth."

 

[Disgustipated]

This is the only login I have used for months.

Nonresponsive deflection. Why do you suppose that your fellow shitposters at 4chan have so little respect for you?

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[smoothg103rd]

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You got way too much time on your hands.

 

[hashtag46]

http://i.imgur.com/Z5oNT][/QUOTE] Wanna fuck? Judging from our latest interactions, I think that Fermina isn't happy that you keep trolling me. So you might wanna tone it down.