Mass shootings -- what's happened to us?!

[Jennifer]

Here young boys who feel disempowered or desillusioned don't shoot others others; they kill themselves.

There's an increasing epidemic of youth suicides in Australia and Nz, and they're trying to look at what changed in the fabric of society

Reported.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Do you have links and proof? I am interested in the research of this.

It really isn't a secret. I am surprised you require a link.


Here is an early one:

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/InformationbyDrugClass/ucm096321.htm

Here is a story I recall when it happened, i learned that Effexor lists "homicidal ideation" as a warning throughout their materials

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/07/09/AR2006070900582_pf.html

As for proof they are connected to mass shootings, you aren't going to find an impartial link. Big pharma is too powerful so MSM isn't writing about that and instead focus on gun control (because that's the current narrative). Do this instead: think of mass shooters who seemingly snapped for no reason, an look up early news articles on them. Look for vague references to the drugs they were on. SSRIs are a big one. Probably other drugs too which I simply haven't researched.

I bet you can find that someone has already pulled this together on a blog with links to relevant articles.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

First time I disagree with you LadyF but geeze…


For some very odd reason, my first thought was to try to draw an unlikely parallel to the increase in ISIS terrorist attacks.

Those two couldn't be any different but they are both a contemp.and puzzling phenomenon and are escalating

What are you disagreeing with? That antidepressants can cause violent thoughts and that some people react with violence against themselves or other people?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Here young boys who feel disempowered or desillusioned don't shoot others others; they kill themselves.

There's an increasing epidemic of youth suicides in Australia and Nz, and they're trying to look at what changed in the fabric of society

Oh fuck em' they are males and deserve to die, it's the only real reason the worthless things exist.

We don't need them anyhow, especially the white ones....we should give them all the tools the need to off themselves, we need more progress.

 

[hashtag46]

What are you disagreeing with? That antidepressants can cause violent thoughts and that some people react with violence against themselves or other people?

You're right: an increase in suicidality is a concerning risk, and in certain situations they could make one more anxious and agitated therefore more short fused, but saying that they Cause people to kill others is a big leap, imo

If you want to look at that aspect I would focus on why was the person was on them.
Did they have an underlying sense of dissatisfaction and anger with the world and went to their GP to ask for a quick fix ? Which antidepressants wouldn't help with anyway
And so on

 

[Queertag45]

Dishrag is very familiar with antidepressants.

EDIT: or at least he should be.


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[LadyFunkenstein]

You're right: an increase in suicidality is a concerning risk, and in certain situations they could make one more anxious and agitated therefore more short fused, but saying that they Cause people to kill others is a big leap, imo

Effexor lists the homicide warning in their materials because it's a great selling point?
or perhaps they are worried about being sued because the warning is valid? Which option seems more logical to you?

If you want to look at that aspect I would focus on why was the person was on them.
Did they have an underlying sense of dissatisfaction and anger with the world and went to their GP to ask for a quick fix ? Which antidepressants wouldn't help with anyway
And so on

In the US, "depressed" and "unhappy" have become synonyms thanks to Big Pharma and their heavy handed marketing. For instance one in four adult white women are on anti-depressants - do you really believe they are all clinically depressed? Maybe they are just bored of being corporate desk jockeys (I know I am from time to time) We over prescribe here, we've had a 400% increase in antidepressant intake over the 30-40 years. We should put a bar chart of SSRI prescriptions next to mass shootings, see how they match up.

 

[LIVINRFANTASIES]

Denny

We can't blame the movies, TV, or video games. We can't blame fatherless or motherless family life. We can't blame all of the low income, no income jobs and all the repo'd homes, cars, jet skies, 4wheelers, etc. and lonely kids with nothing but I-Pods, IPads, Kindles, laptops, and access to drugs.
We can't blame our politicians who eliminated all of the good paying jobs and made Americans work until 65+ to retire with the possibility of no SSI or medical.
Without an American dream all that's left for kids is the American nightmare and idle time to copy those video games and TV shows in real life. Rerun mass murders in the news over and over for people of all ages and play them up so those murderers become heroes.
Elect politicians who lie, cheat, perform sex acts, and belittle others so our children see it as normal.
We can blame all of the new wonder drugs and lack of education and parental guidance. What's happened, reverse evolution has happened to us!

 

[KingOrfeo]

We can't blame the movies, TV, or video games. We can't blame fatherless or motherless family life. We can't blame all of the low income, no income jobs and all the repo'd homes, cars, jet skies, 4wheelers, etc. and lonely kids with nothing but I-Pods, IPads, Kindles, laptops, and access to drugs.
We can't blame our politicians who eliminated all of the good paying jobs and made Americans work until 65+ to retire with the possibility of no SSI or medical.

Well, actually, we probably can blame gun-crime in general on some of those things, to some extent. But mass shootings are a different breed of animal.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Schools are gun free zones, so are most theaters, churches and government buildings.

Only an idiot assumes they will be gun free, that's where all the fuckin' shooting happen.

But, those places were just as gun-free -- probably more so -- in 1970 or 1980 as they are now. Whatever has changed, it isn't that.

 

[hashtag46]

Effexor lists the homicide warning in their materials because it's a great selling point?
or perhaps they are worried about being sued because the warning is valid? Which option seems more logical to you?

In the US, "depressed" and "unhappy" have become synonyms thanks to Big Pharma and their heavy handed marketing. For instance one in four adult white women are on anti-depressants - do you really believe they are all clinically depressed? Maybe they are just bored of being corporate desk jockeys (I know I am from time to time) We over prescribe here, we've had a 400% increase in antidepressant intake over the 30-40 years. We should put a bar chart of SSRI prescriptions next to mass shootings, see how they match up.

You're right, I agree with you on that: they're way overprescribed in the US,
- and I would blame the insurance based medical system for that, among other things. When they have limitted time to spend with the person or so on, are understaffed and counselling and so on are so costly it's easier to just throw in an antidepressant instead of trying to figure out the cause.
- Plus there must be something in the fabric of modern society that makes so many people feel that way


But as to those people who end up doing mass shootings have something wrong with them to start with: they have almost nothing in common with the average Joe who asked for antidepressants because they don't like their life. Those mass shooters have something wrong with them to start with:
- they are either people with psychotic illnesses,
- or people with certain personalities: angry people who blame others for their problems
Throw in a touch of narcissism and desire to be in the spotlight which are rampant in the modern society, and the way media unknowingly glamorises those shootings.

I can easily imagine that those people approached their doctor at one point asking for a quick fix for unpleasant feelings and their dr. having only 15 minutes available said: here's a script for you. Instead of looking into what's the root cause of all that.

 

[LIVINRFANTASIES]

Denny

Ever since TV went digital, possibly 2000, we watched no TV in the boonies.
We've moved and have cable. I pay good money to watch TV commercials. Isn't it amazing now how many TV commercials are about prescription drugs?

 

[jaF0]

Probably 1/3rd of americans are on an antidepressant,

And for that, you can blame the A M A.

 

[KingOrfeo]

Isn't it amazing now how many TV commercials are about prescription drugs?

It's amazing prescription drugs are advertised on TV at all. One would think you would market them by sending salesmen to visit doctors, which is cheaper. And in fact the drug companies do that too. But apparently pharma thinks doctors will prescribe more of a given product if the patients have been trained to ask for it by name. And apparently they're right.

 

[Tryharder62]

Don't you think we are getting desensitized to it? It takes more and more grand acts of violence to get attention?

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

You're right, I agree with you on that: they're way overprescribed in the US,
- and I would blame the insurance based medical system for that, among other things. When they have limitted time to spend with the person or so on, are understaffed and counselling and so on are so costly it's easier to just throw in an antidepressant instead of trying to figure out the cause.
- Plus there must be something in the fabric of modern society that makes so many people feel that way

No, it isn't about insurance. I was in the first wave of Ritalin kids. I was a Brat, Champus (military insurance) pays very little towards anything. Marketing is the reason why I was prescribed Ritalin (which I sold to my classmates).

But as to those people who end up doing mass shootings have something wrong with them to start with: they have almost nothing in common with the average Joe who asked for antidepressants because they don't like their life. Those mass shooters have something wrong with them to start with:
- they are either people with psychotic illnesses,
- or people with certain personalities: angry people who blame others for their problems
Throw in a touch of narcissism and desire to be in the spotlight which are rampant in the modern society, and the way media unknowingly glamorises those shootings.

Where is your evidence for this?

I can easily imagine that those people approached their doctor at one point asking for a quick fix for unpleasant feelings and their dr. having only 15 minutes available said: here's a script for you. Instead of looking into what's the root cause of all that.

Not really, people are prescribed by psychiatrists who give you 50 minutes worth of time per session. It isn't the same as seeing a doctor for the flu.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

It's amazing prescription drugs are advertised on TV at all. One would think you would market them by sending salesmen to visit doctors, which is cheaper. And in fact the drug companies do that too. But apparently pharma thinks doctors will prescribe more of a given product if the patients have been trained to ask for it by name. And apparently they're right.

Terrible isn't it?

 

[BotanyBoy]

It's amazing prescription drugs are advertised on TV at all.

$$$$$

 

[irksomesauce]

All cultures which sanction murder eventually swim in its blood, end up becoming cultures of death. Mohammed pimped his vision with murder against whomever opposed it, and to this day death thrives in the real Islamic societies.

Watched some of the Daesh videos lately where their children, virtually just old enough to walk, now serve as ghastly executioners? 1400 years and now their youngest are as murderous as their elders. Watch one of their 7-year-old boys saw and saw away until a head is severed - and then ask your "WTF" how in the hell we ever let this world get so despicable.

America full-fledgedly joined the death culture club in 1973 with Roe v. Wade; 43 years and around 40 million of the most innocent and vulnerable intentionally murdered - relatively all of those poor souls simply for convenience.

The American federal government fully sanctions the murder of totally innocent human life. From conception until death itself, the murderous blood of America's culture of death now covers the entire human life cycle.

And dumbasses ignorantly wonder what the fuck has happened to them.

 

[KingOrfeo]

All cultures which sanction murder eventually swim in its blood, end up becoming cultures of death. Mohammed pimped his vision with murder against whomever opposed it, and to this day death thrives in the real Islamic societies.

Watched some of the Daesh videos lately where their children, virtually just old enough to walk, now serve as ghastly executioners? 1400 years and now their youngest are as murderous as their elders. Watch one of their 7-year-old boys saw and saw away until a head is severed - and then ask your "WTF" how in the hell we ever let this world get so despicable.

America full-fledgedly joined the death culture club in 1973 with Roe v. Wade; 43 years and around 40 million of the most innocent and vulnerable intentionally murdered - relatively all of those poor souls simply for convenience.

The American federal government fully sanctions the murder of totally innocent human life. From conception until death itself, the murderous blood of America's culture of death now covers the entire human life cycle.

And dumbasses ignorantly wonder what the fuck has happened to them.

Somehow I don't think any of that has much to do with the rise of mass shootings in America -- well, except for those that happen in abortion clinics.

 

[phrodeau]

We should all be grateful that drug companies help to pay for all the wonderful shows we can watch on television.

Can't think of any wonderful shows at the moment.

 

[Bookishleigh]

Wait, so it's NOT the guns killing people? It's the antidepressants?

But in all seriousness, obviously not everyone on antidepressant medications are out there killing people. You have people taking Wellbutrin as a smoking cessation aid, Trazodone as a sleep aid, etc. Then you have all those who are taking antidepressants for a diagnosis of depression and/or anxiety and they also aren't killing people.

The list provided by silver_gurl had individuals on it where most of them had a history of mental health issues that likely would still be an issue with or without the treatment of medication. All medications have have a list of side effects that you may or may not experience. Just because suicidal or homicidal ideation is listed as a side effect, it is not a guarantee you will have it. If that were the case, the drug would likely not pass FDA approval. You can also have contradictory side effects - like weight loss or weight gain.

Maybe I've read the above posts incorrectly, but I think we're putting too much emphasis on the antidepressants to blame and less on the people.

 

[phrodeau]

Keith Olbermann has a few things to say about gun control. I don't know, though. Does any of it make sense to you?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIIIi9yOFJw

 

[Hard_Rom]

Preponderance of guns, inadequate mental healthcare, terrorism, racism, desensitization to rampant violence in the media. Add them all up and you get spikes in mass shootings. Which are typically defined as over 4 shot. So gun toting toddlers don't make the garde.

 

[hashtag46]

All cultures which sanction murder eventually swim in its blood, end up becoming cultures of death. Mohammed pimped his vision with murder against whomever opposed it, and to this day death thrives in the real Islamic societies.

Watched some of the Daesh videos lately where their children, virtually just old enough to walk, now serve as ghastly executioners? 1400 years and now their youngest are as murderous as their elders. Watch one of their 7-year-old boys saw and saw away until a head is severed - and then ask your "WTF" how in the hell we ever let this world get so despicable.

America full-fledgedly joined the death culture club in 1973 with Roe v. Wade; 43 years and around 40 million of the most innocent and vulnerable intentionally murdered - relatively all of those poor souls simply for convenience.

The American federal government fully sanctions the murder of totally innocent human life. From conception until death itself, the murderous blood of America's culture of death now covers the entire human life cycle.

And dumbasses ignorantly wonder what the fuck has happened to them.

Preponderance of guns, inadequate mental healthcare, terrorism, racism, desensitization to rampant violence in the media. Add them all up and you get spikes in mass shootings. Which are typically defined as over 4 shot. So gun toting toddlers don't make the garde.

To each it's own.