Petition to change electoral votes to favor HRC.

[pmichael]

Such is the hypocrisy of tolerance. This is exactly what a politically correct society has created.
Sad, sad, times we are in.

 

[Super-Surprise]

http://thechive.files.wordpress.com/2011/09/funny-random-facts-0.jpg?w=500&h=430

 

[Sean Renaud]

Such is the hypocrisy of tolerance. This is exactly what a politically correct society has created.
Sad, sad, times we are in.

Shut the fuck up you worthless cunt rag.

 

[Equinoxe]

Federalist No. 68

In summary: the presidency wasn't supposed to be chosen by popular vote, but neither was it supposed to be chosen by a certain proportion of states based upon their popular vote. The people were supposed to freely elect the people who freely elect the president.


So, whilst what the petition is asking is kind of ridiculous, politically impossible, and would probably be disastrous, it's no more out of step with the intentions of the Founders than the way the electoral college normally works; and whilst 29 states do have laws against faithless electors (which is opposed to the Founders' intentions), there have been more than 150 of them in US history, including the entire body of electors of Virginia once (albeit in electing the Vice President and because he was in an interracial relationship).

But it won't happen.

 

[pmichael]

Shut the fuck up you worthless cunt rag.

Come shut me up penis wrinkle.

 

[sr71plt]

An institution set up to favour slave owning states is somewhat anachronistic.

I think you have your eras wrong. It was set up more to favor the small Northeast states. They weren't going to join the union otherwise and said they weren't. It wasn't a southern state "thing." There were no small southern states at that time.

 

[Sean]

I think you have your eras wrong. It was set up more to favor the small Northeast states. They weren't going to join the union otherwise and said they weren't. It wasn't a southern state "thing." There were no small southern states at that time.

http://time.com/4558510/electoral-college-history-slavery/

 

[BoyNextDoor]

A better focus would be redrawing the gerrymandered congressional districts and taking more governor's mansions and state legislatures. Any other focus for the DNC is, meh.

Join the Bernie Boys for the ride Dems.

 

[sr71plt]

http://time.com/4558510/electoral-college-history-slavery/

I'm with the "some claim" on this one. I think the article is a modern reinterpretation of an entirely different reason at the time--that the traditional small states didn't want to be swallowed up (which is what they said at the time before they would sign the Articles of Confederation--and they weren't southern, slave-holding states).

 

[sr71plt]

Join the Bernie Boys for the ride Dems.

We'll have to see if Bernie ever declares as a Democrat in the U.S. Senate. He hasn't yet.

 

[BotanyBoy]

http://time.com/4558510/electoral-college-history-slavery/

Oh look a TIME article screaming "racist" randomly at shit they don't like.

And Sean of all people is trying to push it.

That's fuckin' shocking.

 

[Liar]

A better focus would be redrawing the gerrymandered congressional districts and taking more governor's mansions and state legislatures. Any other focus for the DNC is, meh.

Join the Bernie Boys for the ride Dems.

The Dems lost 3 mansions on tuesday. Will maaaaybe gain one.

Funny thing about state level politics though, they're not always obvious.

Bernie's Vermont that went for Clinton by a 30 point margin elected a republican Gov, and West Virginia, which went for Trump by a 40 point margin, elected yet another Democrat.

 

[BotanyBoy]

We'll have to see if Bernie ever declares as a Democrat in the U.S. Senate. He hasn't yet.

Well I can't really blame him considering how slimy (D)'s are.

 

[Tigersman]

The Electorial College was another of the things that Benjamin Franklin and some of our forefathers thought up. It's said by some that the reason for the Electorial College was to prevent the larger states from steam rolling over the smaller states come election time. Another reason that has been offered is that our forefathers didn't feel the common man had enough sense to elect a good president.

It appears they were right as the nation voted Trump in.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Oh look a TIME article screaming "racist" randomly at shit they don't like.

And Sean of all people is trying to push it.

That's fuckin' shocking.

I thought facts can't be racist. Nevermind, I remember how it's different for everybody.

The fact is it doesn't matter WHY the rules were set, those are the rules. Accept them or work on changing them. The justification is a historical footnote lno different from why the NFL didn't have 2 point conversions until years after the NCAA did.

 

[Super-Surprise]

https://www.change.org/p/electoral-...make-hillary-clinton-president-on-december-19

This idea is even more pathetic than DJT saying the election is fixed.

 

[Not Normal]

Such is the hypocrisy of tolerance. This is exactly what a politically correct society has created.
Sad, sad, times we are in.

The electoral college is about as far from politically correctness as possible.

 

[Liar]

This idea is even more pathetic than DJT saying the election is fixed.

At least then he would be right.

 

[Sean Renaud]

It has nothing to do with political correctness at all.

 

[Hard_Rom]

The Electorial College was another of the things that Benjamin Franklin and some of our forefathers thought up. It's said by some that the reason for the Electorial College was to prevent the larger states from steam rolling over the smaller states come election time. Another reason that has been offered is that our forefathers didn't feel the common man had enough sense to elect a good president.

It appears they were right as the nation voted Trump in.

The nation didn't vote Trump in. The Electoral College is about to do that.

 

[Hypoxia]

Another reason that has been offered is that our forefathers didn't feel the common man had enough sense to elect a good president.

It appears they were right as the nation voted Trump in.

Tromp, and Dubya, lost the popular vote. Dubya really worked out well, huh? Will Tromp be as good? Tromp will be installed by a minority of voters but a majority of electors. No the nation didn't vote him in; a dispersed committee will.

The electoral college is another form of gerrymander.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I thought facts can't be racist. Nevermind, I remember how it's different for everybody.

Oh no, facts are totally racist. Especially when SJW's don't like them.

The fact is it doesn't matter WHY the rules were set, those are the rules. Accept them or work on changing them.

100% agree.

The justification is a historical footnote lno different from why the NFL didn't have 2 point conversions until years after the NCAA did.

I totally agree.

But then again so have a whole bunch of other obsolete or largely obsolete laws still hanging around.

I'm not opposed to changing it, but I'd rather see the whole thing get an overhaul...a top down restructuring of our democratic processes to carry us into the future.

In my universe we would have 1 election every every 5 years, all legislatures and executive officers state and federal would happen then. If local authoraties want to have separate elections for county/municipal shit at other times that's their bidniz but the big dogs would all happen at the same time.

A week of early voting followed by 2 consecutive 3 day holiday weekends for a total of 14 days to vote. It would give everybody a chance to do some HW and figure out what they want to do with plenty of time for everybody to go vote. No mother fuckin' excuses or shit talk about voter suppression. Only reason anyone didn't vote is they aren't eligible or they just didn't give a fuck.

Voter ID's would be free, good long term, part of registering to vote and required to vote in the national elections. No more fuckin' arguing over fraud, stick your ID into the machine like a debt card, vote and GTFO.

I suppose the details on a more direct democracy vs mechanisms meant to temper mob rule would have to be hashed out but at least we would have a 21st century framework to build on. Personally I think there is enough democratic tempering built into our primary checks and balances between the 3 branches and representation structure that a direct democracy over the reps themselves would be more than reasonable. That is to say we could live without the electoral college, cuz POTUS just ain't a godly emperor or monarch that gets whatever it wants whenever it wants it.

 

[Sean Renaud]

While I think it's more accurate to say that just because something is racist doesn't make it false SJWs are no worse than racist on that front.

As for your plan I don't know why you chose 5 years, even numbers just kinda speak to me. I do like the current staggered plan. Part of my dislike for term limits is the concept that once you've been around long enough to learn how the rules work and to build relationships (if you're in the Senate tthat's 99 other fuckers. Assuming the government planned and mandated Speed Dating at one a day that's three months and that's so fucking unrealistic it's not even funny. I want my Congressmen to be the kinds of people who know that your first wife's daughter's German Shepard just had puppies.) we kick you out? Absurd. But at least with the staggered elections there is a zero percent chance (Unless it's like Designated Survivor and a Terrorist Attacks) of having a completely new Congress where nobody knows a fucking thing at at all.

Aside from that I think it's great.

I'm not opposed to tweaking it or removing it. But like I was saying when bitches were complaining about Super Delegates you can't bitch about the rules midgame.

 

[BotanyBoy]

While I think it's more accurate to say that just because something is racist doesn't make it false SJWs are no worse than racist on that front.

As for your plan I don't know why you chose 5 years, even numbers just kinda speak to me. I do like the current staggered plan. Part of my dislike for term limits is the concept that once you've been around long enough to learn how the rules work and to build relationships (if you're in the Senate tthat's 99 other fuckers. Assuming the government planned and mandated Speed Dating at one a day that's three months and that's so fucking unrealistic it's not even funny. I want my Congressmen to be the kinds of people who know that your first wife's daughter's German Shepard just had puppies.) we kick you out? Absurd. But at least with the staggered elections there is a zero percent chance (Unless it's like Designated Survivor and a Terrorist Attacks) of having a completely new Congress where nobody knows a fucking thing at at all.

Aside from that I think it's great.

I'm not opposed to tweaking it or removing it. But like I was saying when bitches were complaining about Super Delegates you can't bitch about the rules midgame.

I picked 5 because it's half a decade, makes for nice even election cycles, gives them a chance to work and do some shit, build those relationships you're talking about, before the people decide if they want to let them keep their job or not but not so long that they can't get shit canned either.

Fair enough on the staggering. But without term limits I seriously doubt you would need them to prevent a total change over. I don't want term limits, I'm rather anti term limit all around so in my universe that's just not a problem. If people want to keep their reps they should keep them, but also if they don't they should fire the mother fucker. The election cycle is that opportunity to change your representative if the people so choose. Hell the POTUS should be the same way in my opinion too, if we want to keep our President we should be allowed to. If not, elect a new one and the loosers just have to suck it.

But for fun let's say for whatever reason term limits had to be part of the deal because people wanted them. Yea we could work a staggering system into it, just have an election cycle every 2 years, alternating congressional/exec votes, everyone serves 4 year terms, senators and POTUS one cycle, governors and reps the other. Boom. Little more voting but it would still be streamlined, fair as possible and E Z as 123...

Oh and finally switch to the metric system.

God damn we should run this bitch

 

[Super-Surprise]

Clinton blames FBI's Comey for her defeat

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