Why would anyone vote for Hillary?

[BotanyBoy]

You mean under the GI bill?

The GI Bill is paid for by the service member up front.

That is not at all the same as what we do to normal citizens.

The lack of funding for higher education is the reason student debt is such a HUGE problem

Lack? You can go get yourself into a lifetime of debt for school, any program you want. You won't be denied for going for an idiotic degree that's go highly exclusive very limited marketability at best.

People have been doing it for decades now, they can sign up for all the funding they want.

That's the problem.

especially when our society demands that folks have college degrees to get a decent paying job.

That's what happens when you degrade the value of education.

HS diplomas don't mean shit anymore.

All you gotta do is show up, and they pass you because that gets the funding.

All the e z mode bullshit degrees universities across the US mill out to get that funding and send graduates to slave away at Red Lobsta for the rest of their lives?

Same shit. Everybody got one. Now it's the standard, enjoy working at Red Lobsta.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

The GI Bill is paid for by the service member up front.

That is not at all the same as what we do to normal citizens.



Lack? You can go get yourself into a lifetime of debt for school, any program you want. You won't be denied for going for an idiotic degree that's go highly exclusive very limited marketability at best.

People have been doing it for decades now, they can sign up for all the funding they want.

That's the problem.



That's what happens when you degrade the value of education.

HS diplomas don't mean shit anymore.

All you gotta do is show up, and they pass you because that gets the funding.

All the e z mode bullshit degrees universities across the US mill out to get that funding and send graduates to slave away at Red Lobsta for the rest of their lives?

Same shit. Everybody got one. Now it's the standard, enjoy working at Red Lobsta.

If by "paid for by the service member up front" you mean the soldier makes a $1200 investment ($100 per month for the first year of service) which nets him or her tens of thousands in money to be used for college. In October 2016, the Montgomery GI Bill full-time payment rate increased to $1,857 for the 2017 fiscal year. Eligible veterans and servicemembers could receive more than $66,000 in total benefits over 36 months.

$1200 nets $66,000 in benefits. Whata bargain!

 

[needyou200]

$66,000 is what

2 years at a good school? Only servicemen and women who served knows what they had to go thru to earn that. Hillary is pure horse shit!

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

2 years at a good school? Only servicemen and women who served knows what they had to go thru to earn that. Hillary is pure horse shit!

As a veteran myself, it's a damned good deal, and I know what servicemen and women had to go through to get it.

They had to serve in the military for at least two years and contribute $1200. In return their $1200 becomes $66,000 for school.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If by "paid for by the service member up front" you mean the soldier makes a $1200 investment ($100 per month for the first year of service) which nets him or her tens of thousands in money to be used for college.

And years of service at minimum wage rates at best.

Unless officers, but those are vastly a minority.

In October 2016, the Montgomery GI Bill full-time payment rate increased to $1,857 for the 2017 fiscal year. Eligible veterans and servicemembers could receive more than $66,000 in total benefits over 36 months.

$1200 nets $66,000 in benefits. Whata bargain!

It's not a bargain, it's payment for service.

With out it and the other sweet bennies nobody would join the military because the pay is pretty lame unless you've got a bird on your chest or better. It's just not enough.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

And years of service at minimum wage rates at best.

Unless officers, but those are vastly a minority.



It's not a bargain, it's payment for service.

With out it and the other sweet bennies nobody would join the military because the pay is pretty lame unless you've got a bird on your chest or better. It's just not enough.

Minimum wage rates? Right, factor in free housing, food, and most of your clothing and it's a LOT higher than minimum wage even if you remain an E-1 for your entire service contract.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Minimum wage rates?

Yep pay is pretty boo boo right up until you're way up on the officers scrotum poll.

E's = fucked unless E9 with like 25 years in. Though you could afford to be poor about E6'ish

Right, factor in free housing, food, and most of your clothing and it's a LOT higher than minimum wage even if you remain an E-1 for your entire service contract.

Like I said, they had better come with the bennies because nobody is going to go be a slave bitch for the military E-go fuck your face for no 1300 bucks a mo.

Gotta bring the insurance, housing, food, family care etc. or they won't be recruiting/retaining anyone.

 

[Ulaven_Demorte]

Yep pay is pretty boo boo right up until you're way up on the officers scrotum poll.

E's = fucked unless E9 with like 25 years in. Though you could afford to be poor about E6'ish



Like I said, they had better come with the bennies because nobody is going to go be a slave bitch for the military E-go fuck your face for no 1300 bucks a mo.

Gotta bring the insurance, housing, food, family care etc. or they won't be recruiting anyone.

Fuck out of here with that horse shit. Ignoring all of the free shit that goes along with that military paycheck is more than a little disingenuous. Saying that the job ONLY pays minimum wage and neglecting to factor in that it also provides free housing, food, medical care, and clothing, and that's just a few of the most obvious benefits.

I did three years, honorably discharged an E-4 with a college fund for a meager $1200 investment and about $20K in savings. Having zero living expenses is a HUGE fucking deal. To pretend otherwise just makes you sound silly as fuck.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Fuck out of here with that horse shit. Ignoring all of the free shit that goes along with that military paycheck is more than a little disingenuous.

No pretending that shit is free and the service member didn't earn it through services rendered is more than a little disingenuous.

So is trying to pretend it's the same thing a public funding for anyone who wants it style civilian welfare trap run by the banks, or even a legit free nationalized education system (actual public schools instead of scams which most unis have turned into) ....is also more than a little disingenuous.

Saying that the job ONLY pays minimum wage and neglecting to factor in that it also provides free housing, food, medical care, and clothing, and that's just a few of the most obvious benefits.

I didn't neglect to factor in anything. I said that other benefits, like the GI bill, are part of the compensation for services because WITHOUT THEM they would be making minimum wage or less depending on how much they work. And they wouldn't have a military if that was all the pay they got.

You're the one who keep saying it's free stuff given to the military....it's not free asshole, mother fuckers WORK for that shit.

No benefits? No insurance? No housing? No food? No E1-E5's.....no military!

Do you get what I'm saying?? GI Bill isn't free money for service members, it's part of the compensation for paying you dog shit with regard to cash.
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I did three years, honorably discharged an E-4 with a college fund for a meager $1200 investment and about $20K in savings. Having zero living expenses is a HUGE fucking deal. To pretend otherwise just makes you sound silly as fuck.

Yea, and IDK what your MOS was but I worked like a MOTHER FUCKER as Jr. enlisted.

Pretending PVT 1300 bucks a month didn't earn that GI Bill makes you sound like a fuckin' asshole.

 

[about_average]

So you're in total denial of the reality that HRC was caught by the FBI with stolen Classified US Government documents on her private electronic devices??

"Stolen"?

 

[EllieTalbot]

Ignorance.

Got it all figured out, eh?

Shaking head in Saginaw,
Ellie

 

[VeraBad]

She hasn't stiffed her contractors.

She has released her taxes.

 

[EllieTalbot]

She has released her taxes.

How do taxes work when it comes to multi-million dollar deals for US state Dept. favors to blood-soaked, medievalist regimes, anyway?

Oh, never mind. I'm sure it was all completely above-board. *nod-nod* Nothing to see here. Move along, move along.

Compliant in Complacency,
Ellie

 

[BotanyBoy]

"Stolen"?

That's what it's called when you take government material/document off and or out of government systems without authorization.

But only for poor people of course.....not Hillary, she doesn't have to follow laws like some fucking peasant.

 

[about_average]

Precedent is you take classified documents, you go to fuckin' prison.

A "document" would have a clear header indicating it was secret. An email very likely wouldn't, and the FBI said there were no headers indicating secret.
The emails had information within them that was secret.

There's a difference between a document and an email.

You may not think there's a difference, but there is.
Probably why the FBI didn't say there was a violation, rather evidence of a potential violation. Just not enough evidence to prosecute.

I'm sure you wouldn't be bitching about not enough evidence to prosecute if you were the one under investigation for something.

That's what it's called when you take government material/document off and or out of government systems without authorization.

But only for poor people of course.....not Hillary, she doesn't have to follow laws like some fucking peasant.

Which law did she violate that was in place at the time she set up her email server?
While it was an incredibly stupid thing to do for her to do, I must have missed the law she broke.

 

[about_average]

How do taxes work when it comes to multi-million dollar deals for US state Dept. favors to blood-soaked, medievalist regimes, anyway?

Do you have list of those "favors" the state dept provided? I can't find them, in spite of judicial watch's claim. I would think they'd list them, but if you could post a link to the list that would be helpful.

As for the money, how is it a bad thing to take money from bad people to do charity work to counter the evil they do?

Is it more moral to refuse the money and help fewer people?

 

[jonjonz68]

How do taxes work when it comes to multi-million dollar deals for US state Dept. favors to blood-soaked, medievalist regimes, anyway?

Oh, never mind. I'm sure it was all completely above-board. *nod-nod* Nothing to see here. Move along, move along.

Compliant in Complacency,
Ellie

So if Donald gets elected he'll sever ties with all those regimes? 1) He's not going to be elected. 2) Even if he were elected, he wouldn't.

Finally don't pretend that ties with reprehensible regimes is Hillary's fault alone. What did Bill Maher used to say? When you drive you drive with Bin Lauden? Different crew, same story.

 

[NeverEndingMe]

She has released her taxes.

what about the illegal clinton foundation? that is a terrorist organization! did they release their taxes?

 

[NeverEndingMe]

Fuck out of here with that horse shit. Ignoring all of the free shit that goes along with that military paycheck is more than a little disingenuous. Saying that the job ONLY pays minimum wage and neglecting to factor in that it also provides free housing, food, medical care, and clothing, and that's just a few of the most obvious benefits.

I did three years, honorably discharged an E-4 with a college fund for a meager $1200 investment and about $20K in savings. Having zero living expenses is a HUGE fucking deal. To pretend otherwise just makes you sound silly as fuck.

better hurry up and get some tires for your home, winter is coming!

 

[BotanyBoy]

The emails had information within them that was secret.

That's all that matters.

If we can send an LT to prison for training maps and a PO2 to prison for a selfie in the wrong room.....(among many many other poor people who are in prison for FAR less).

What the fuck is Clintons excuse?

There's a difference between a document and an email.

No there isn't. And email is a type of document.

Just not enough evidence to prosecute.

Not enough evidence to prosecute POTUS's homie after AG hands everyone immunity deals and pleads the 5th in front of congress for it?

Clearly not......

Had Joe Shmuckey done that he'd be ROTTING in prison and no one would have ever herd a peep about it.

I'm sure you wouldn't be bitching about not enough evidence to prosecute if you were the one under investigation for something.

I din't violate national security laws.

Which law did she violate that was in place at the time she set up her email server?

The same nondisclosure agreement that I and millions of others have signed saying....

You fuck up just this much...
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And you'll be in prison, or on the run, till you fucking die.

While it was an incredibly stupid thing to do for her to do, I must have missed the law she broke.

It was incredibly illegal....for anyone without POTUS/AG scrambling to cover for them with immunity deals and pleading the 5th.

I'm perfectly fine with you thinking it's ok for people to take whatever classified government information they want home on their personal electronic devices, expose it and not even so much as get fined. I suspect you will fully support Clinton being above the laws poor people have to follow even if I did take the time to go dig that info up.

I'm a strong advocate of lawlessness myself and fully intend to follow the Clinton example of get power in the pocket, do whatever the fuck you want.

Laws are for pesants.

 

[about_average]

That's all that matters.

If we can send an LT to prison for training maps and a PO2 to prison for a selfie in the wrong room.....(among many many other poor people who are in prison for FAR less).
The same nondisclosure agreement that I and millions of others have signed saying....

You fuck up just this much...
And you'll be in prison, or on the run, till you fucking die.

So why aren't you screaming that Condi Rice and Colin Powell should be in prison? They used non-state servers for their email.
Using your rationale they are just as guilty as Clinton.

I don't know the details, but the LT and the PO2 were probably punished too harshly.

 

[VeraBad]

I think you have already lost.

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=rrpromo

 

[BotanyBoy]

So why aren't you screaming that Condi Rice and Colin Powell should be in prison?

Did the FBI find classified materials on their private electronic devices?

Did the FBI then turn around and recommend nothing be done....because reasons?

Did AG cover their ass with over the top sweetheart immunity deals and then plead the fifth when asked about it???

If they had I'd be screaming for them to eat it too.

They used non-state servers for their email.

Was it classified?

Were they openly caught red handed by the FBI then cut loose by top brass?

Using your rationale they are just as guilty as Clinton.

No. The FBI didn't find a bunch of classified shit on their private E-thinggies.

I don't know the details, but the LT and the PO2 were probably punished too harshly.

No they were punished under the law, like HRC should be.

If national security is zero tolerance for poor people it should be zero tolerance for elite (D)'s too. I know that is just BEYOND offensive to a lot of folks on this board but it's true. There is supposed to be equal treatment under the law, there is no "except Democrats" exemption in 14A contrary to popular (D)ipshit beliefs.

 

[about_average]

Probably why the FBI didn't say there was a violation, rather evidence of a potential violation. Just not enough evidence to prosecute.

Actually Comey testified before the committee that there was no evidence she broke the law.

 

[VeraBad]

trumpanzees versus the educated--latest poll numbers:

http://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2016-election-forecast/?ex_cid=2016-senate-forecast