“I wanted people to understand that late-term abortions aren’t what Trump described.”

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Woman shares her late-term abortion story to show it’s ‘nothing like described by Trump’


According to BuzzFeed, Draper was 40 years old when she became pregnant with twins through in vitro fertilization. She said it was “the most wanted and planned pregnancy ever.”

But at 22 weeks, she learned that one of her twins had died in the womb, and the other’s had a birth defect known as Spina bifida, a birth where the backbone doesn’t form normally, and would only live for a few days on life support.

“I lay on the hospital floor, bawling hysterically, for twelve hours, waiting for an ethics committee of the health care corporation to decide my case justified what had to be done,” she wrote on Facebook. “My husband and I consulted our LDS Bishop, who assured me I needed to do what I had to do, that it was even within LDS guidelines to do so. He reminded me I had six kids at home who needed their mother to live.”

Draper, who wrote that she did not want to have an abortion, nonetheless noted that it was “done very gently, by Caesarean section, leaving the babies in their amniotic sacs.”

Her account stands in stark contrast to how Donald Trump described a late-term abortion as “[ripping] the baby out of the womb” during the debate on Wednesday night.
 
I've been reading quite a few accounts similar to the one described in the above post. The so-called "ripping the babies out of the womb" that Trump the chump described is in actuality what most doctors would call a C-section which is normally done for both the baby's and Mother's survival. Only in very rare cases do doctors do what is called "dilation and extraction" at a very late stage of pregnancy. Normally when this is done the baby is not viable and the mother's life is in immediate danger.
 
Yada, yada, yada...

Just more age-old, disingenuous deflection from the socialist piece of shit brigade...

A prominent member of the abortion rights movement said today that he lied in earlier statements when he said a controversial form of late-term abortion is rare and performed primarily to save the lives or fertility of women bearing severely malformed babies.

He now says the procedure is performed far more often than his colleagues have acknowledged, and on healthy women bearing healthy fetuses.

Ron Fitzsimmons, the executive director of the National Coalition of Abortion Providers, said he intentionally misled in previous remarks about the procedure, called intact dilation and evacuation by those who believe it should remain legal and ''partial-birth abortion'' by those who believe it should be outlawed, because he feared that the truth would damage the cause of abortion rights.

But he is now convinced, he said, that the issue of whether the procedure remains legal, like the overall debate about abortion, must be based on the truth.

An Abortion Rights Advocate Says He Lied About Procedure
http://www.nytimes.com/1997/02/26/us/an-abortion-rights-advocate-says-he-lied-about-procedure.html
 
Did you not see the Planned Parenthood videos?



They described the more prevalent methodology.
 
eyerlives;81321480[B said:
He sounds like a very confused man

The Fitzsimmons controversy started with his statement a year and a half earlier to Nightline that only 450 dilation-and-extraction abortions are performed per year, yet he believed from talking to doctors and clinics and from reading media reports that a more accurate number was up to ten times higher.
His first chance at candor was an interview with AMA Medical News, so he told that reporter his informal estimates indicated the procedure was used between 3,000 to 5,000 times a year, based on talks he'd had with providers.
So his "lie" was about a esitmate that was only 500 shy of his later estimate. Not far off. Though why he would base it in part on media reports is odd. Are cancer death totals based on media reports?

It appears he did lie though
In an interview with Salon, Dr. Suzanne Poppema, a board member of the National Abortion Federation who runs a clinic in Seattle, offered her explanation of the seemingly contradictory statistics.

"When this bill was initially introduced in 1995, the understanding of many of us was that it was aimed at third-trimester abortions," she wrote. "We said they're exceedingly rare; that they're almost exclusively done when there's a fatal or very severe anomaly and/or when the mother's health is at risk. Then all of a sudden people were talking about `thousands' of these procedures being done and how everyone in the pro-choice community had misinformed everyone. What they were talking about were procedures being done in the second trimester, which we never thought was an issue because, as you know, Roe v. Wade protects abortions through the second trimester from interference by the state."
He changed the definition of "late term" to arrive at the higher numbers.
And of course the anti-choice people go with it.

http://www.webcitation.org/query?ur...5/is_n9_v61/ai_19732071/print&date=2008-02-03
 
61% of all murder-by-abortion is intentionally and tortuously committed on minority babies...

Why do progressive white men hate totally innocent and completely defenseless minority human life so much?
 
Woman shares her late-term abortion story to show it’s ‘nothing like described by Trump’


According to BuzzFeed, Draper was 40 years old when she became pregnant with twins through in vitro fertilization. She said it was “the most wanted and planned pregnancy ever.”

But at 22 weeks, she learned that one of her twins had died in the womb, and the other’s had a birth defect known as Spina bifida, a birth where the backbone doesn’t form normally, and would only live for a few days on life support.

“I lay on the hospital floor, bawling hysterically, for twelve hours, waiting for an ethics committee of the health care corporation to decide my case justified what had to be done,” she wrote on Facebook. “My husband and I consulted our LDS Bishop, who assured me I needed to do what I had to do, that it was even within LDS guidelines to do so. He reminded me I had six kids at home who needed their mother to live.”

Draper, who wrote that she did not want to have an abortion, nonetheless noted that it was “done very gently, by Caesarean section, leaving the babies in their amniotic sacs.”

Her account stands in stark contrast to how Donald Trump described a late-term abortion as “[ripping] the baby out of the womb” during the debate on Wednesday night.

Here's another one.

Fuck You, Trump...
 
61% of all murder-by-abortion is intentionally and tortuously committed on minority babies...

Why do progressive white men hate totally innocent and completely defenseless minority human life so much?

As a former coat hanger dodger yourself, I see why this is an especially sore topic for you.
 
Why ever would a progressive white man, who gets off fucking other guys' wives behind their backs...

...champion the intentional and tortuous killing of completely innocent and totally defenseless human life simply for convenience?

Why would a progressive white man, who's fucking around behind his own wife's back...

...pay $200 to intentionally and tortuously kill his own completely innocent and totally defenseless baby simply for convenience?

Why would that same progressive white man, fucking around behind his wife's back again...

...refuse to acknowledge the son he co-conceives simply because his son's mother is black?

If progressive white men just wouldn't fuck around totally irresponsibly so much...

...they wouldn't have to kill the totally innocent and completely defenseless human life they father.

Of course, that still leaves the children those same progressive white pieces of shit who hate their own minority children so much they won't even acknowledge them.

All the intentional and tortuous killing of completely innocent and totally defenseless human life is to progressive white men...

...is a drenched-in-death mop to clean-up after their if-it-feels-good-do-it behavior.

Progressive white men are human history's authors of genocide...

..."Murder by USSA Federal Government Sanction" is simply their latest chapter.
 
Why ever would a progressive white man, who gets off fucking other guys' wives behind their backs...

...champion the intentional and tortuous killing of completely innocent and totally defenseless human life simply for convenience?

Why would a progressive white man, who's fucking around behind his own wife's back...

...pay $200 to intentionally and tortuously kill his own completely innocent and totally defenseless baby simply for convenience?

Why would that same progressive white man, fucking around behind his wife's back again...

...refuse to acknowledge the son he co-conceives simply because his son's mother is black?

If progressive white men just wouldn't fuck around totally irresponsibly so much...

...they wouldn't have to kill the totally innocent and completely defenseless human life they father.

Of course, that still leaves the children those same progressive white pieces of shit who hate their own minority children so much they won't even acknowledge them.

All the intentional and tortuous killing of completely innocent and totally defenseless human life is to progressive white men...

...is a drenched-in-death mop to clean-up after their if-it-feels-good-do-it behavior.

Progressive white men are human history's authors of genocide...

..."Murder by USSA Federal Government Sanction" is simply their latest chapter.

ever wonder why you should take your lithium bro?

Stew
 
ever wonder why you should take your lithium bro?
Lithium is a liberal plot too. It started when dentists and psychiatrists in El Paso, whose city water has naturally high fluoride and lithium levels, noticed that 1) fewer people had cavities and 2) fewer people were crazy. Would the number of Tromp supporters decrease if cities added lithium to their water supplies?
 
Lithium is a liberal plot too. It started when dentists and psychiatrists in El Paso, whose city water has naturally high fluoride and lithium levels, noticed that 1) fewer people had cavities and 2) fewer people were crazy. Would the number of Tromp supporters decrease if cities added lithium to their water supplies?

I'm more interested in knowing if Trump supporters watch more NASCAR than others bro.

Stew
 
Why ever would a progressive white man, who gets off fucking other guys' wives behind their backs...

...champion the intentional and tortuous killing of completely innocent and totally defenseless human life simply for convenience?

Why would a progressive white man, who's fucking around behind his own wife's back...

...pay $200 to intentionally and tortuously kill his own completely innocent and totally defenseless baby simply for convenience?

Why would that same progressive white man, fucking around behind his wife's back again...

...refuse to acknowledge the son he co-conceives simply because his son's mother is black?

If progressive white men just wouldn't fuck around totally irresponsibly so much...

...they wouldn't have to kill the totally innocent and completely defenseless human life they father.

Of course, that still leaves the children those same progressive white pieces of shit who hate their own minority children so much they won't even acknowledge them.

All the intentional and tortuous killing of completely innocent and totally defenseless human life is to progressive white men...

...is a drenched-in-death mop to clean-up after their if-it-feels-good-do-it behavior.

Progressive white men are human history's authors of genocide...

..."Murder by USSA Federal Government Sanction" is simply their latest chapter.
Because progressive white women are the most privileged group in western society, and what you describe is what they want. Sex without consequences. Why wouldn't a progressive white male go along with that? The actual race of the mother is irrelevant.
 
Why ever would a progressive white man, who gets off fucking other guys' wives behind their backs...

...champion the intentional and tortuous killing of completely innocent and totally defenseless human life simply for convenience?

Why would a progressive white man, who's fucking around behind his own wife's back...

...pay $200 to intentionally and tortuously kill his own completely innocent and totally defenseless baby simply for convenience?

Why would that same progressive white man, fucking around behind his wife's back again...

...refuse to acknowledge the son he co-conceives simply because his son's mother is black?

If progressive white men just wouldn't fuck around totally irresponsibly so much...

...they wouldn't have to kill the totally innocent and completely defenseless human life they father.

Of course, that still leaves the children those same progressive white pieces of shit who hate their own minority children so much they won't even acknowledge them.

All the intentional and tortuous killing of completely innocent and totally defenseless human life is to progressive white men...

...is a drenched-in-death mop to clean-up after their if-it-feels-good-do-it behavior.

Progressive white men are human history's authors of genocide...

..."Murder by USSA Federal Government Sanction" is simply their latest chapter.

Sometimes they even take their wives in for an abortion, bro!
 
Because progressive white women are the most privileged group in western society, and what you describe is what they want. Sex without consequences. Why wouldn't a progressive white male go along with that? The actual race of the mother is irrelevant.

Oh absolutely, white women are literally the only demographic want sex without consequences

And because of that, white women and white women only should be punished


You and eeyore here make such a cute racist couple, have no idea why you two haven't hooked up yet
 
Why do progressive people of any color read the stooopid shit eyerliver posts?
 
Why are progressive white men among the most strident champions of the intentional and tortuous killing of totally innocent and completely defenseless minority human life simply for convenience?

http://i0.wp.com/www.operationrescue.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/abortion-by-ethnicity.jpg?w=600
How To Deceive People With Dimensional Pie Charts

By turning your pie chart into an ellipse, you can fool people into thinking that a small section is huge. It's fun and easy!
 
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