Hillary loses the debate, educated white ask - "What?"

[BoyNextDoor]

Seriously? She sucked. There were LITerally ten opportunities to for her to demonstrate how he would be the worst president in the history of the Republic.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Seriously? She sucked. There were LITerally ten opportunities to for her to demonstrate how he would be the worst president in the history of the Republic.

When your opponent is self-destructing, why get in his way? The man is drowning, and he keeps doubling down on how much water he can swallow.

I can't believe you guys are so hard on your girl and aren't spinning this. It's over. She's in.

 

[julybaby04]

Great job Trump!

 

[Ishmael]

Seriously? She sucked. There were LITerally ten opportunities to for her to demonstrate how he would be the worst president in the history of the Republic.

It's going to get worse for her. Trumps flair for drama is just kicking in.

Ishmael

 

[sr71plt]

OK, I'll be the one to say it. She didn't want to knock Trump out tonight. She wants Trump still running and being Trump tomorrow. She doesn't want to have to regear to an actual Republican without the year of baggage collection riding in on a white horse at this point.

 

[toubab]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CuXrBh3WAAEvw5r.jpg

 

[Ishmael]

OK, I'll be the one to say it. She didn't want to knock Trump out tonight. She wants Trump still running and being Trump tomorrow. She doesn't want to have to regear to an actual Republican without the year of baggage collection riding in on a white horse at this point.

OK, I'll say it. It isn't going to get any better for her. Trump has the flair for the dramatic and how to manage 'cliff hangers.' Hillary will never master those skills.

The problem for the Trumpster's is, "did he wait too long?" This isn't a TV series to be continued next season and absentee ballots are already being sent.

As far as 'putting Trump away', just what ammunition does she have left? She pretty much shot her wad tonight. Conversely Trump has a LOT of her 'public' record to draw upon.

Scoring it on formal debate points it was pretty much a draw. They both gave as much as they got.

One of the high points, and a glaring difference between the two, was the discussion re. Aleppo. Hillary, and I paraphrase here, essentially said, "Think of the children." To wit Trump replied, "if you deal with the root problem (ISIS), the rest will sort itself out." One wants to end the crisis, the other merely care for the victims.

Ishmael

 

[Wrong Element]

As far as 'putting Trump away', just what ammunition does she have left?

Not being a rapist kind of helps.

 

[Ishmael]

Not being a rapist kind of helps.

And of course you have specific names of the individuals that were raped that will come forward, publically, to make those accusations and face the investigations that will ensue? Right?

If not, you're just another shit-eating rumor monger.

Ishmael

 

[phrodeau]

Let's all remember what Donald Trump actually said.

You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

Then, from tonight's debate:

AC: For the record, are you saying, what you said on the bus 11 years ago, that you did not kiss women without consent or grope women without consent.

DT: I have great respect for women. Nobody has more respect for women than I do.

AC: So, you're saying you never did that.

DT: I said things that frankly, you hear these things. And I was embarrassed by it. But I have tremendous respect for women.

AC: Have you ever done those things?

DT: No, I have not.

He had to be asked three times if he had actually done those things.

Why on earth didn't he say "no" after the first question? What sort of fucked-up person is he?

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Let's all remember what Donald Trump actually said.

Then, from tonight's debate: He had to be asked three times if he had actually done those things.

Why on earth didn't he say "no" after the first question? What sort of fucked-up person is he?

1. Even accomplished liars have the impulse to try to avoid lying until they have no other option.

2. Self-preservation instincts can motivate one to try and avoid discussing an unpleasant subject even when one is innocent of the specific charge -- especially when the evidence is such that he is unlikely to be believed anyway given his previous incriminating statement to the contrary.

And to which ever of the above options you choose, you can add the fact that he is simply an arrogant, combative asshole who does not like to be challenged and probably, given his power position within his corporate kingdom, rarely is.

 

[LadyVer]

Let's all remember what Donald Trump actually said.

Then, from tonight's debate: He had to be asked three times if he had actually done those things.

Why on earth didn't he say "no" after the first question? What sort of fucked-up person is he?

Because he likes to grab women's pussies without consent.

 

[toubab]

I can't believe this stupid shit. What heterosexual male hasn't kissed a woman without asking for her consent first? Even grabbing the pussy after the kiss without asking first is common, if you think she won't object. This is all bullshit, except for hypocritical assholes who want to take Trump down by any means possible.

 

[Ishmael]

Because he likes to grab women's pussies without consent.

Simple question.

Where in his statements. or in testimony, has "without consent" emerged? I'm not going to excuse the crudeness of his remarks but I'm not going to sit by and allow unsubstantiated bull shit go unchallenged.

And the fact is that once I have my hand on a woman's pussy without her telling me "No', she's mine. You women can protest all you want but that's the fact. And I can't decide whether you're trying to fool your friends or yourself.

Ishmael

 

[sr71plt]

I can't believe this stupid shit. What heterosexual male hasn't kissed a woman without asking for her consent first? Even grabbing the pussy after the kiss without asking first is common, if you think she won't object. This is all bullshit, except for hypocritical assholes who want to take Trump down by any means possible.

Oh, most of them. What sort of gutter were you raised in?

And were you still doing it at fifty-nine?

 

[toubab]

Oh, most of them. What sort of gutter were you raised in?

Bullshit. I've never asked a woman's permission to kiss her or fuck her in my life. It's usually very clear from the woman's non-verbal signals what she's interested in, and even if it wasn't clear she can tell you to stop. From all appearances, you wouldn't have a clue what heterosexual males do with women. Am I right?

 

[sr71plt]

You forgot to tell me what sewer you were raised in.

And, oh, had you floated feelers to run for president starting seventeen years before you were still assaulting women?

And, no, you aren't right. I was strictly heterosexual until I was twenty-eight and actively bi forever after that. But thanks for asking and adding gay bashing to your portfolio of boorishness.

 

[Ishmael]

Oh, most of them. What sort of gutter were you raised in?

And were you still doing it at fifty-nine?

The only 'stick' you ever had in your hands is your dick sparky.

Just who do you think you're fooling?

Ishmael

 

[toubab]

You forgot to tell me what sewer you were raised in.

And, oh, had you floated feelers to run for president starting seventeen years before you were still assaulting women?

You are one worthless piece of shit. You should be crammed in a sewer.

 

[sr71plt]

You are one worthless piece of shit. You should be crammed in a sewer.

At least you're staying in character.

 

[LadyVer]

Simple question.

Where in his statements. or in testimony, has "without consent" emerged? I'm not going to excuse the crudeness of his remarks but I'm not going to sit by and allow unsubstantiated bull shit go unchallenged.

And the fact is that once I have my hand on a woman's pussy without her telling me "No', she's mine. You women can protest all you want but that's the fact. And I can't decide whether you're trying to fool your friends or yourself.

Ishmael

This is America. You can think what you like. Doesn't mean everyone's going to agree with your self-righteous know it all manly self. I have watched the video several times. It's clear to me he is talking about grabbing whatever he wants whenever he wants, regardless of what the woman wants. And there is plenty of other evidence that shows even more of what a misogynist he is. No need for you to respond further.

 

[sr71plt]

Since this is America and this is now, if you grab a woman's crotch and she even wants to say she didn't say yes, you are looking at the slammer if she chooses to charge you. The legal term for that is sexual assault. Regardless, is boorish behavior and certainly doesn't qualify you to be president of the United States.

And, yeah, yeah, Bill Clinton. It should have disqualified him too--and probably would now. That he did it doesn't give Trump a pass on doing it. And I didn't give him the time of day after his behavior was revealed either.

 

[Ishmael]

This is America. You can think what you like. Doesn't mean everyone's going to agree with your self-righteous know it all manly self. I have watched the video several times. It's clear to me he is talking about grabbing whatever he wants whenever he wants, regardless of what the woman wants. And there is plenty of other evidence that shows even more of what a misogynist he is. No need for you to respond further.

Ahh, so not only being a mind reader you're a censor as well. Stalin would be proud of you.

I did take note of the fact of your not addressing, or refuting, my assertion concerning my having my hand on your cunt (nod to Fata there) without your saying "no."

Just who the fuck are you trying to fool?

Ishmael

 

[Colonel Hogan]

This is America. You can think what you like. Doesn't mean everyone's going to agree with your self-righteous know it all manly self. I have watched the video several times. It's clear to me he is talking about grabbing whatever he wants whenever he wants, regardless of what the woman wants. And there is plenty of other evidence that shows even more of what what a misogynist he is. No nend for you to respond further.

This is what he said. Phrodeau quoted him accurately.

You know, I’m automatically attracted to beautiful — I just start kissing them. It’s like a magnet. Just kiss. I don’t even wait. And when you’re a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. Grab ’em by the pussy. You can do anything.

The fact that he is misogynistic doesn't make what he is describing any less consensual. He is disparaging a person's sexual proclivity on the basis of access to a celebrity. It's the same reason ugly rock stars have virtually unlimited access to groupies.

If every gorgeous woman in the world wanted to fuck me for no reason other than I was a celebrity, would I be an asshole simply because I didn't have the "character" to refuse them or initiated what I believed they wanted and expressed my surprise at their irrational willingness to a confident? Rape and assault is when you DON'T take "no" for an answer. Not knowing when to step away from an "all-you-can-eat buffet" might be considered unflattering gluttony, but it isn't criminal.

There are far more substantive reasons to disqualify Trump from the White House than his readiness to emulate former Presidents who have committed adultery in every room of the building.

 

[LadyVer]

Ahh, so not only being a mind reader you're a censor as well. Stalin would be proud of you.

I did take note of the fact of your not addressing, or refuting, my assertion concerning my having my hand on your cunt (nod to Fata there) without your saying "no."

Just who the fuck are you trying to fool?

Ishmael

Actually, I don't see the point in arguing. I have no idea what you're referring to. I took your comment as an alpha male statement meant generally. No apologies needed. I don't know what you mean with your last question. Maybe you're being unnecessarily, and unpleasantly, paranoid.