Would this scene be allowed?

[ThisNameIsntTakenYet]

Okay, before I am burned alive for adding to the hundreds of threads about the underage rule that already exist on this board, please put your torch down and hear me out.

I have an idea for the start of a story, which I am not sure would be allowed or not. It's an incest story between parents and daughter. Anyway, the story starts the night before the daughter turns eighteen. Her parents had been planning to have sex with her for a while but never did anything up until now. Now that she is about to become the legal age they are really excited for tomorrow and are going at it pretty loudly in their bedroom. The daughter can hear them and makes a comment about them being louder than usual and then rolls over to fall asleep.

Now I know that underage characters should not be present while others have sex, but she isn't technically present. She doesn't see anything, just hears the bed creak, some pounding against the wall and maybe some moans. She just finds it annoying and a bit disgusting and it doesn't turn her on or anything.

Would I be allowed to start my story like this?

 

[DwellerDark]

I would say no, because it involves adults wanting to have sex with an underaged girl, which to me is probably against the rules.

 

[sr71plt]

All I can note is that I have a GM story here where a guy tells a neighbor he's going to come for him (the younger guy is willing) in a year on his eighteenth birthday--and then does. It was one of my earliest stories and it went through without question and without any sort of notes on it.

 

[Handley_Page]

I have an idea for the start of a story, which I am not sure would be allowed or not. It's an incest story between parents and daughter. Anyway, the story starts the night before the daughter turns eighteen. Her parents had been planning to have sex with her for a while but never did anything up until now. Now that she is about to become the legal age they are really excited for tomorrow and are going at it pretty loudly in their bedroom. The daughter can hear them and makes a comment about them being louder than usual and then rolls over to fall asleep.

Would I be allowed to start my story like this?

Pretty lousy Mama, though

 

[SecondCircle]

That's about as close to the line as it gets.

I'd say no, though. She can't be 17.9 years of age and involved AT ALL with any sort of sexual activity: listening, watching, thinking, talking about, etc.

Even if such a thing would slip through, I'd advise not to submit it. My personal opinion is that the parents have been contemplating sex with her while she's still a minor, and that's poor taste. Just something about that that's off.

If it is an incest story, is there any reason she couldn't be 28? Enough taboo is there without teasing the lines of her being as close to a minor as possible.

Think about the audience that this sort of story would appeal to. That's probably the true reason behind any rule set up here. As I noted, it's about as close to child sexual abuse as it could get.

It's not my place but I'd bump the age. That way everything is perfectly consensual while keeping the taboo alive. It's an adult site. Make them all fully consenting adults that all have a taboo attraction.

 

[Hypoxia]

It's not my place but I'd bump the age. That way everything is perfectly consensual while keeping the taboo alive. It's an adult site. Make them all fully consenting adults that all have a taboo attraction.

Quite. If I were writing this (and I ain't) I'd have her return home after graduating boarding academy; she's far enough past her 18th birthday. Her folks haven't seen her for most of a year and they're stunned by how she's blossomed. Mom and Dad enjoyed their swinging / orgy parties while she was gone. Now they want to get her into the lifestyle and sample her themselves. Others in their pervy upscale circle had similar situations; incest ain't no big thang to any of them. Hilarity ensues.

 

[Kantarii]

Haha.... Underage by one day? Yup, still underage. It holds true if the minor wanted to buy cigarettes or alcohol. But, those types of things have minor exceptions. The US military says if you are old enough to die for this country, you are entitled to the freedoms of drinking and smoking.


However, that isn't the case here. Underage is underage.

I see no reason a story would be any better using underage in the story plot or a as a fetish. Probably beating that dead horse on this one. Kant

 

[Kantarii]

I'm waiting for someone to ask about "implied underage sex" within a story such as the child is 18, but the parents of the child are 34-35. I'm willing to bet that is a no no to the rules as well.

This is an adult site with adult material.... There should be no reason minors are allowed. My experience is those that push the rules are those that want to break the rules. Kant

 

[Hypoxia]

I'm waiting for someone to ask about "implied underage sex" within a story such as the child is 18, but the parents of the child are 34-35. I'm willing to bet that is a no no to the rules as well.

I do that all the time. Mom popped-out the kid when she was 16; now he's 18 and she's a MILFy 34. No problem so long as I give no details of underage sex.

Here's a trick I've seen a couple times but don't plan to use. A 15-year-old wishes they could skip the bullshit of high school. They wake up next morning and the years have passed -- they're over 18, but still with an adolescent mind. Similarly, a young teen could be comatose until after their 18th birthday. A kid's mind trapped in a mature, legal body, like Tom Hanks in BIG. Is that problematic?

My experience is those that push the rules are those that want to break the rules.

Not necessarily. I am quite happy to skate as close as I can without sliding over the line. No bestiality -- except with sentient fantasy beasts. No underage sex -- but it can be reported, not described. No snuff -- but suppose one explodes during orgasm or is drained by a succubus? I have no desire to write about fucking kids or animals but the consequences may be story material.

 

[Bramblethorn]

I'm waiting for someone to ask about "implied underage sex" within a story such as the child is 18, but the parents of the child are 34-35. I'm willing to bet that is a no no to the rules as well.

Nope. Laurel has repeatedly said that it's OK to reference under-age sex, just not to detail it. I have one story where a character mentions that her grandmother was pregnant at fifteen or so, and that got through no problems.

There are plenty of legit reasons why authors might include a child in the non-erotic parts of an erotic story.

 

[Hypoxia]

Nope. Laurel has repeatedly said that it's OK to reference under-age sex, just not to detail it. I have one story where a character mentions that her grandmother was pregnant at fifteen or so, and that got through no problems.

As I said, I've written of 16-year-old (and younger) mothers. Youngest I recall married at 13, the earliest legal age in Maine at that time. I forget whether she gave birth at 14 or 15. But I wrote zero depictions of sex there, merely reported the event. Say it happened, and nothing more.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

What the fuck is with all the perverts trying to skirt the rules and get their nut off with writing about kids having sex. It's bullshit. His account should be deleted and his IP banned. Sick son of a bitch.

 

[Hypoxia]

What the fuck is with all the perverts trying to skirt the rules and get their nut off with writing about kids having sex. It's bullshit. His account should be deleted and his IP banned. Sick son of a bitch.

I see lots of fetishists here as sick SOBs. I don't call them out because their sick fetishes are legitimate material on LIT. The bans here are specific re: age, animals, and snuff. Stories depicting underage sex are verboten. Stories reporting that underage sex happened aren't. Finding the exact boundary can be a challenge, same as dealing with any rule in any situation.

I faced this in my early series Bride of Kong. The hybrids and semi-clones were speed-grown to adulthood in only a few years but I waited till 18 years had passed before I depicted sex. Did I skirt the age and beast rules? Yup. Did I cross any lines? Nope. I'm not interested in depicting underage sex. But I'll go as close as possible because drama. That's drama, not pandering, not going pedophilic. Young people fuck. We can say it happened. We cannot say how. I'm fine with that.

Does someone here insist on depicting 16-yr-olds fucking? Do they exploit young sex? Do they firmly cross the line? Fine, tell Laurel to ban them. It's her site.

 

[ThisNameIsntTakenYet]

What the fuck is with all the perverts trying to skirt the rules and get their nut off with writing about kids having sex. It's bullshit. His account should be deleted and his IP banned. Sick son of a bitch.

I never said I wanted to write underage sex. It's the parents that are having sex, not the daughter. She will turn eighteen and they had something planned for her birthday, that's all. I thought it would be a bit weird to have them suddenly try to have sex with her on her birthday out of nowhere so I thought about including this scene at the start to show they had been planning it for a while.

Now that I think about it I do agree that the parents planning to have sex with her on her birthday means that they are attracted to her in a sexual way before she is of legal age, which would indeed not be allowed. I guess making her 20 or so would work too for the kind of story I have in mind. This is just a minor detail that starts the story, I'll change it.

Apologies if this thread offended anyone, but let me state again that I don't intend nor want to write underage erotica. I just thought the idea of waiting until someone was of legal age was interesting, like Pilot did in the story he mentioned.

 

[Zeb_Carter]

I see lots of fetishists here as sick SOBs. I don't call them out because their sick fetishes are legitimate material on LIT. The bans here are specific re: age, animals, and snuff. Stories depicting underage sex are verboten. Stories reporting that underage sex happened aren't. Finding the exact boundary can be a challenge, same as dealing with any rule in any situation.

I faced this in my early series Bride of Kong. The hybrids and semi-clones were speed-grown to adulthood in only a few years but I waited till 18 years had passed before I depicted sex. Did I skirt the age and beast rules? Yup. Did I cross any lines? Nope. I'm not interested in depicting underage sex. But I'll go as close as possible because drama. That's drama, not pandering, not going pedophilic. Young people fuck. We can say it happened. We cannot say how. I'm fine with that.

Does someone here insist on depicting 16-yr-olds fucking? Do they exploit young sex? Do they firmly cross the line? Fine, tell Laurel to ban them. It's her site.

Yeah, whatever.

I never said I wanted to write underage sex. It's the parents that are having sex, not the daughter. She will turn eighteen and they had something planned for her birthday, that's all. I thought it would be a bit weird to have them suddenly try to have sex with her on her birthday out of nowhere so I thought about including this scene at the start to show they had been planning it for a while.

Now that I think about it I do agree that the parents planning to have sex with her on her birthday means that they are attracted to her in a sexual way before she is of legal age, which would indeed not be allowed. I guess making her 20 or so would work too for the kind of story I have in mind. This is just a minor detail that starts the story, I'll change it.

Apologies if this thread offended anyone, but let me state again that I don't intend nor want to write underage erotica. I just thought the idea of waiting until someone was of legal age was interesting, like Pilot did in the story he mentioned.

Hey, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings...but in my mind, even though it happens in real life, you can't write shit like that here. And if it got through the gates to be posted, I would 1-bomb it and report it. It violates the rules, period.

 

[ThisNameIsntTakenYet]

Hey, I'm sorry if I hurt your feelings...but in my mind, even though it happens in real life, you can't write shit like that here. And if it got through the gates to be posted, I would 1-bomb it and report it. It violates the rules, period.

Which is why I posted this thread, because I wasn't sure if it was allowed. I knew the rule of underage persons not allowed to be present when people have sex, but I didn't knew if that extended to just hearing it as well. But besides that, I completely understand now that the intentions of the parents are wrong and thus will change the story idea accordingly.

 

[ElectricBlue]

There are plenty of legit reasons why authors might include a child in the non-erotic parts of an erotic story.

True. I've got three stories published here with a child birth scene as a key plot point. Each scene is quite distant (both in the number of words and in terms of the plot) from the nearest erotic content; the other protagonists (mother, father, nurse, paediatrician) are all clearly mature adults with not the slightest erotic interest in the child. Not a problem with any of them.

In one story, the child is born; and that baby later gets a story of her own. But she's in her early thirties before she gets her run in the sun (or swim in the sea).

 

[sr71plt]

Which is why I posted this thread, because I wasn't sure if it was allowed. I knew the rule of underage persons not allowed to be present when people have sex, but I didn't knew if that extended to just hearing it as well. But besides that, I completely understand now that the intentions of the parents are wrong and thus will change the story idea accordingly.

Way up there I gave an example of a story that anticipated sex (declared there would be sex and both parties were fine with that) a year ahead that was carried out on the 18th birthday and that was posted without trouble here. So, you can just go with what has, in fact, been accepted here or a lot of theoretical yammering and posturing. If you want a citation on the story I have in mind, PM me.

 

[weftandwarp]

As I see it the rules of the site try to follow the law of the land. With the many jurisdictions that Literotica is in this is difficult. Pedophillia is the biggie. The interest the media and the law has displayed in the topic has been enormous. There are others too that could lead to legal embarrassment. For example, incest. Last week a 19 year old male was charged with incest in this country. I suspect it will be the big interest in the media when people get tired of paedophillia. I see writing about these subjects as inadequate and a cheap way to get noticed. I don't like it so I'm all in favour of the policy on paedophillia. I wonder if promoting paediphillia or incest through writing a story for this site could end with the writer in gaol. In some jurisdictions I'm sure it could. With the media interest I can imagine that the length of incarceration could be a surprise. I am also aware that our laws on paedophillia are retrospective with people being charged for their activities in the 1960's and after. The only reason they don't go back further is that it's difficult to get evidence and the people responsible are now dead or so decrepit it isn't worth while to charge them. By writing on these topics on the internet one could be supplying the prosecution with a treasure trove of evidence. It isn't just those who committed paedophillia that are of legal interest- it's also those who didn't act to stop it or who promoted it who are embarrassed in court and prison.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Which is why I posted this thread, because I wasn't sure if it was allowed. I knew the rule of underage persons not allowed to be present when people have sex, but I didn't knew if that extended to just hearing it as well. But besides that, I completely understand now that the intentions of the parents are wrong and thus will change the story idea accordingly.

LIT is a challenge to stay in-bounds. I deleted a story where kids outside the house could have heard the love-making inside, because the windows were open. I wanted to include the kids laughing, screaming, shouting, crying, to add some realism, but sound is a two-way street.

Another story placed lovers in the midst of a Boy Scout campsite at night. The camping site was normally quiet woods lovers used, but this couple picked the wrong night for love, and I couldn't submit the story.

 

[ThisNameIsntTakenYet]

As I see it the rules of the site try to follow the law of the land. With the many jurisdictions that Literotica is in this is difficult. Pedophillia is the biggie. The interest the media and the law has displayed in the topic has been enormous. There are others too that could lead to legal embarrassment. For example, incest. Last week a 19 year old male was charged with incest in this country. I suspect it will be the big interest in the media when people get tired of paedophillia. I see writing about these subjects as inadequate and a cheap way to get noticed. I don't like it so I'm all in favour of the policy on paedophillia. I wonder if promoting paediphillia or incest through writing a story for this site could end with the writer in gaol. In some jurisdictions I'm sure it could. With the media interest I can imagine that the length of incarceration could be a surprise. I am also aware that our laws on paedophillia are retrospective with people being charged for their activities in the 1960's and after. The only reason they don't go back further is that it's difficult to get evidence and the people responsible are now dead or so decrepit it isn't worth while to charge them. By writing on these topics on the internet one could be supplying the prosecution with a treasure trove of evidence. It isn't just those who committed paedophillia that are of legal interest- it's also those who didn't act to stop it or who promoted it who are embarrassed in court and prison.

Although I agree with some of your points, I don't see why writing about it could get you in jail. I mean, there is a big difference between writing about something and actually doing it. If you could get arrested for writing about characters doing something that is illegal, 90% of the writers should be in jail for writing about murder, just to name the first thing that comes to mind.

I do find pedophilia disgusting and will never write or read about it, but I would rather have people who are into that read or write stories about it than going out and hurting children for real. And writing about incest is legal on here, so I don't see the problem with writing about that. Again, there is a difference between writing about it and actually doing it.

 

[SecondCircle]

Writing about sex involving teenagers (like 16 yr olds) isn't illegal. People include adolescent sex scenes in books in mainstream fiction. I've seen it several times. It didn't come off as pedophilia or immoral.

That isn't really in question. Laurel's site. Laurel's rule. They have to be 18. It sorta makes sense. An adult website, with adult material, with adults engaging in adult things. Not a good move to include adolescents -- or nine hells, anything younger.

 

[Hypoxia]

This comes up over and over and... The site's rules have little to do with laws. We may speculate that Laurel set her age limit to avoid attracting undue attention from 'morals' groups. But that is only speculation. Laurel established her rules -- against snuff, bestiality, and underage sex -- because this is her site, and that's what she wanted, and they work.

You can find plenty of underage, animal, and snuff sex online. Other, older sites allow what's banned here. But those sites get only a small fraction of LIT's readership. LIT is the world's most popular erotic-text site. We can assume Laurel's rules are a major factor in the success.

And we authors are not prosecuted for what we write. I write of incest, group sex, drug use, the occasional murder or rape, sodomy, bigamy, demonic possession, and dumping of toxic wastes, all subjects that are illegal somewhere. Guess what? Stephen King writes of these and more, and he hasn't been prosecuted yet. But he can't post on LIT -- he breaks the rules.

 

[Laurel]

from 2002, and still applies:
http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?p=2151906#post2151906

 

[Bramblethorn]

Although I agree with some of your points, I don't see why writing about it could get you in jail. I mean, there is a big difference between writing about something and actually doing it. If you could get arrested for writing about characters doing something that is illegal, 90% of the writers should be in jail for writing about murder, just to name the first thing that comes to mind.

Note also... there are quite a few survivors of childhood sexual abuse who choose to tell their stories for one reason or another. Laws and filters intended to silence abusers can easily end up censoring/chilling speech from those survivors, because the elements that distinguish "child porn" from "survivor accounts" aren't easy to codify.

(edit: that's a comment on legal aspects; I fully support L&M's right to decide they're not comfortable with hosting certain material in their privately-run site.)