The Obamagood Thread

[L1tTleD1fferent]

Still no answer on why he was given the Nobel prize. Come on mate, at least come up with a good lie.

Look all you have to do is explain what he did to win the Nobel prize and what leaders in the world have treated him with respect. Easy.

Do you want me to explain why he got it, or lie? I can even do both, but not simultaneously.

Besides, it seems to be many following me in quoting you & saying what BS a lot of your writing is, whereas a minute few quote me & disagree with what I've said.

Since this is "The Obamagood Thread", how about you start by giving any reason he doesn't deserve it? When that's done, myself & the other intelligentsia will come back & read your list, knowing that much of it is probably opinions &/or BS, & the rest matters not, as it is disbelieved & disproven by the majority, not to mention means nothing now as he has already gotten it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

From one to another... Which includes the removal of Hussein & Bin Laden, which he should get credit for, regardless of what happens due to their replacements.

He does get credit.

But that doesn't change what happened in other countries. The man has supported if not directly instigated and or participated in some rather gnarly violence over the last 8 years.

I agree with all but the first word; Much like this country (& "Brexit"), those areas were not stable when his first administration began.

They were considerably more stable before he took command.

He's done no such thing.

Admittedly, nothing, as he hasn't done those things.

Sorry, you're wrong.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anwar_al-Awlaki

US citizen killed by Obama drone strike using the PATRIOT act to avoid due process, and he's not the only one.

Which would matter if he had done them, or not improved places (with acts like the aforementioned violent people dying), which are great reasons to award someone an "NPP".

Starting wars and summary executions of your own people using the military is a great reason to award someone an NPP?

Seriously?

What are you smoking? I want some....

No. You're pissed due to him getting awards we both know his predecessor nor successor will likely earn nor even come as close as he did to potentially/perhaps earning them.

I'm not pissed and I don't give a shit about the predecessor nor successor.

 

[phrodeau]

Oh yes, we must ensure that Al Qaeda operatives all receive a fair trial.

Somehow, somewhere, at some unknown future time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Khalid_Sheikh_Mohammed

 

[Beco]

Now that he is going, I am starting to appreciate Obama....even the many messes he made, the wars he create, his anti-Semitism and his racism.

Yes, I might miss him.... Cause I do think Hillary will make an even bigger mess (and god forbid Trump), but I am not sure her stance on Israel....hard to get a bead on it as she panders for votes, with her, you just never know what really lies beneath....

Nevertheless, that said, I do think Hilary might get us into MORE wars and conflicts. What’s on the docket in 2017? Not in any specific order:

Russia
Nukes
North Korea
Syria
The Economy....
Alaska
Jobs
1.2% growth
Immigration and the flood thereof.....
Marijuana
Taxes

In addition, whatever her mandate is, if she has one...which if anyone can tell me what it is, I'd listen.

That’s it...

 

[phrodeau]

Now that he is going, I am starting to appreciate Obama....even the many messes he made, the wars he create, his anti-Semitism and his racism.

Yes, I might miss him.... Cause I do think Hillary will make an even bigger mess (and god forbid Trump), but I am not sure her stance on Israel....hard to get a bead on it as she panders for votes, with her, you just never know what really lies beneath....

Nevertheless, that said, I do think Hilary might get us into MORE wars and conflicts. What’s on the docket in 2017? Not in any specific order:

Russia
Nukes
North Korea
Syria
The Economy....
Alaska
Jobs
1.2% growth
Immigration and the flood thereof.....
Marijuana
Taxes

In addition, whatever her mandate is, if she has one...which if anyone can tell me what it is, I'd listen.

That’s it...

No worries about the Supreme Court?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Oh yes, we must ensure that Al Qaeda operatives all receive a fair trial.

I know as a regressive leftist you're anti civil rights.

Probably only as long as a (D) is violating those rights.

That's ok and rather typical.

But it's wrong.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

Skipping BSBoy's response yet again to me, as they don't care about predecessors, nor successors, nor facts (none of which they have to prove their claims compared to how many prove the opposing side I & most others take).

Also, got me that it seems Obama's veto will be overridden regarding the ability/right to sue Saudi Arabians regarding "9/11"...

Let me know what part of this I have wrong (if any).

1] The US Constitution, long before either President or First Lady Obama or Clinton were born, gave people a right to confront their accusers.

2] If any American chooses to enact the right it appears they'll be given, it will mean that in order for the people they sue to also enact the right they were already given before either administration or any of "9/11", they will have to fly from another continent to the US.

3] It was planes flying over the US headed for spots within the US that killed many American citizens (which the accusers will also likely be), & all of that is why this particular "9/11" is remembered by so many more than the hundreds of others this country has passed with little-to-no-recollection.

In short, the thread title is correct: Obama is &/or was good, & it will be further proven with this override of something he correctly, intelligently sought to stop.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Skipping BSBoy's response yet again t

Awwww someone doesn't like facts with citation to back them up.

Tell us again how warmongering = great reason for a peace prize.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

Awwww someone doesn't like facts with citation to back them up.

Tell us again how warmongering = great reason for a peace prize.

I never said it did, & I've corrected you on that before.... Similar to how you've never stated a factual thing about me, nor a factual reason why Obama didn't deserve it.

Besides, even you should have the brain cell it takes to know the "Obamagood" thread is not the place to post if you dislike him.

 

[Beco]

No worries about the Supreme Court?

Whoops, good catch! Although it's not a worry of mine....

 

[BotanyBoy]

I never said it did, & I've corrected you on that before.... Similar to how you've never stated a factual thing about me, nor a factual reason why Obama didn't deserve it.

Are you denying that he has turned military weapons of war against his own people?

Murdering citizens without due process under the PATRIOT act?

Because I provided links to well documented cases of that.

OR are you claiming that's not a reason someone shouldn't have a NPP?

Besides, even you should have the brain cell it takes to know the "Obamagood" thread is not the place to post if you dislike him.

LOL....that makes it the PERFECT place to call the 1%'er cheer squad out for their lies. Lies like Barrak "Drone strike a mother fuckka!" OBAMMAAAAAAAAAAAAA~! getting a NPP.

 

[dan_c00000]

Are you denying that he has turned military weapons of war against his own people?

Murdering citizens without due process under the PATRIOT act?

Because I provided links to well documented cases of that.

OR are you claiming that's not a reason someone shouldn't have a NPP?

Bush did (and started) all of those things as well. Both Clinton and Trump have more or less promised to continue using those methods as well. At this point it's kind of par for the course and not really a good way of winning an argument.

Of course it's wrong and fucked up and you know it'd be nice if it didn't happen.

Besides when Bin Laden was killed I don't recall you being unhappy about it.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Bush did (and started) all of those things as well.

Obama was the first and so far only POTUS to ever use the military to summarily execute a civilian without due process using the PATRIOT act. Which was only possible after he not only re-upped Bush's PATRIOT act but expanded the power it gave him.

The only link to Bush in this little situation is the original PATRIOT act that was toothless compared to the re-upped bigger and badder B. Obama version.

All the (D)'s were right...it was a slippery slope, it was a major major blow to civil rights and it shit all over the Constitution.

But they have to own the fact that it was one of their own who took it and went full throttle downhill with it. Because that was 100% all B. Obama.

Both Clinton and Trump have more or less promised to continue using those methods as well. At this point it's kind of par for the course and not really a good way of winning an argument.

Of course they will, once you give the government power like that it's pretty much impossible to ever get it back.

Of course it's wrong and fucked up and you know it'd be nice if it didn't happen.

Ehh most (D)'s don't mind as long as a (D) is doing it.

Besides when Bin Laden was killed I don't recall you being unhappy about it.

Bin Laden doesn't have anything to do with it nor was the PATRIOT act needed.

The PATRIOT act is so they can fuck with citizens....it was NEVER needed to fuck with Bin Laden.

 

[dan_c00000]

..the original PATRIOT act that was toothless compared to the re-upped bigger and badder B. Obama version.

The PATRIOT act is so they can fuck with citizens....it was NEVER needed to fuck with Bin Laden.

I wouldn't call the original PATRIOT Act toothless. Plenty of people had their phones tapped, e-mails peaked at, library records searched, and tons of other not so nice things happen to them.

If you take Naomi Klein's theory of a "shock doctrine" The PATRIOT Act is most definitely connected to Bin Laden/terrorism. The whole if you're not with us you're against us mindset is the perfect excuse to create a massive domestic spying program in secret.

Bush's legal team created the justification of targeted killings.

Needless to say it's all very shady and endorsed by both parties.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I wouldn't call the original PATRIOT Act toothless. Plenty of people had their phones tapped, e-mails peaked at, library records searched, and tons of other not so nice things happen to them.

That's why I put the comparison qualifier in there.

IMO, the whole using it to kill vs spy is a major 'turn up' in the bite/sharp teeth factor.

If you take Naomi Klein's theory of a "shock doctrine" The PATRIOT Act is most definitely connected to Bin Laden/terrorism. The whole if you're not with us you're against us mindset is the perfect excuse to create a massive domestic spying program in secret.

Oh I agree, it's creation is totally linked.

But the hunt and subsequent killing of OBL was all outside of the PATRIOT act.

We didn't need it to get him.

Needless to say it's all very shady and endorsed by both parties.

Totally. And that's not to say it doesn't have some valid stuff going on with it.

If you run around talking about doing some terrorist shit, the FBI should spy on your ass. If a law makes it easier for them to do that under some specific qualifiers that certainly could be argued a reasonable law.

But using it to kill citizens without due process? Too far imo...even the most damned citizen should get a trial.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I'm not sure what "Talking about terrorist shit" actually is and I hate the entire goddamn thing. Doubly so that Obama didn't drop it though he did eventually cut the meta collection of phone information. (Or at least claimed to and we have to take his word for it just as we take Clintons that we weren't doing all this shit in the 90s.)

The closest to a defense I'm gonna give Obama on this is the simple political truth. If he'd ended the Patriot Act prior to the Boston Bombing or the Orlando shooting none of us would live long enough to see the next Democrat president.

 

[BotanyBoy]

If he'd ended the Patriot Act prior to the Boston Bombing or the Orlando shooting none of us would live long enough to see the next Democrat president.

Truth indeed.

 

[dan_c00000]

But using it to kill citizens without due process? Too far imo...even the most damned citizen should get a trial.

The whole kill list thing is incredibly monstrous. And the secret courts were just as bad. I normally make fun of the tinfoil hat crowd but they were sadly right on that one.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The whole kill list thing is incredibly monstrous. And the secret courts were just as bad. I normally make fun of the tinfoil hat crowd but they were sadly right on that one.

That was never REALLY tinfoil hat material. I don't believe that anybody who was paying attention during the Bush years didn't know there was a kill list. There are ultimately three questions from where I'm sitting.

1. How long has this been in existence. I assume at least as far back as Reagan if not farther.
2. Are we genuinely pissed our government mercs the bad guys or just pissed we found out. I often the impression that most don't give a shit if we skin fuckers alive. We just like the moral high ground that comes with plausible deniability.
3. What precisely are we gonna do about it?

 

[dan_c00000]

That was never REALLY tinfoil hat material. I don't believe that anybody who was paying attention during the Bush years didn't know there was a kill list. There are ultimately three questions from where I'm sitting.

1. How long has this been in existence. I assume at least as far back as Reagan if not farther.
2. Are we genuinely pissed our government mercs the bad guys or just pissed we found out. I often the impression that most don't give a shit if we skin fuckers alive. We just like the moral high ground that comes with plausible deniability.
3. What precisely are we gonna do about it?

Well, yeah Kennedy, Bay of Pigs sure. But I'm (and Bot) talking about the kill list that had the names of American citizens on it.

1. We know Nixon had an enemies list. We also know that the CIA has had a hit list for quiet some time as well.

2. Oh pissed we found out for sure. You can see that based on Trump's saying he's going to do "a lot worse" than waterboarding. I think Bot would certainly agree that most Americans don't give a shit what we do to the enemy.

3. Bitch about it on the internet, apparently.

 

[Hard_Rom]

So you got this car trundling across the Syrian/Iraq desert full of terrorists and jihadist. And one happens to be an American citizen so therefore you can't blast them all to hell with a drone fired Hellfire. What sort of stupidity is that?! You blow them to kingdom come and then back date the execution order or citizenship revocation. Hell, just give their name to another 5Eyes country and let their SFs take him out. Voila all nice and fucking legal.

 

[L1tTleD1fferent]

That's why I put the comparison qualifier in there.

Put everything you want in there, & nothing qualifies or makes true a word you say.

I stayed away from the topic hoping a bunch more would come by, give you honest responses & attacks (which I see some did), & maybe close the thread due to all your BS, Boy!

 

[Sean Renaud]

Well, yeah Kennedy, Bay of Pigs sure. But I'm (and Bot) talking about the kill list that had the names of American citizens on it.

1. We know Nixon had an enemies list. We also know that the CIA has had a hit list for quiet some time as well.

2. Oh pissed we found out for sure. You can see that based on Trump's saying he's going to do "a lot worse" than waterboarding. I think Bot would certainly agree that most Americans don't give a shit what we do to the enemy.

3. Bitch about it on the internet, apparently.

I know what you were talking about and I'm sure that list has been in existence for a long time. And there were probably always a few Americans in a "as long as we can get away with it" capacity.

For the record I do care how we treat the enemy. If for no other reason that I sincerely believe that it influences our enemies. That people who think you will capture them and put them in a cell with a hot cup of cocoa are less likely to fight to the death than those who think you are going to pull out their toe nails and electrocute them. I believe it influences civilians in cases like this to not join up with the enemy. I believe (in general) it even influences how the enemy treats you when captured. Does that apply to everybody? Of course not. So I'm pissed we do it AND pissed we got caught. I mean if you can keep it on the low low it's not really happening and I'm more pragmatic than moral.

I'll vote for people who are against it and sign every petition I can find.

 

[underguy1]

So you got this car trundling across the Syrian/Iraq desert full of terrorists and jihadist. And one happens to be an American citizen so therefore you can't blast them all to hell with a drone fired Hellfire. What sort of stupidity is that?! You blow them to kingdom come and then back date the execution order or citizenship revocation. Hell, just give their name to another 5Eyes country and let their SFs take him out. Voila all nice and fucking legal.

Wrong.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Put everything you want in there, & nothing qualifies or makes true a word you say.

I stayed away from the topic hoping a bunch more would come by, give you honest responses & attacks (which I see some did), & maybe close the thread due to all your BS, Boy!

Are you still mad I proved Obama was a warmonger and thus shouldn't have been given a NPP?

Awwww.....sorry guy themz the breaks. He's not the worst POTUS, but he's no man of peace either.

There are shelter volunteers I know who are infinitely better candidates for a NPP than President Barrack 'Drone-strike-a'-bitch' Obama.