How To Get To Heaven When You Die

[Tryharder62]

Why wait?
If you're so certain you'll go to heaven, get a one-way plane ticket to Pakistan, and start preaching the Gospel as soon as you get out of the airport. Make sure you tell them that Islam is a deception of Satan and all Moslems will burn in hell for rejecting your fluffy lord and savior.

No?

Actions speak louder than words.

Maybe the "faith" you so loudly profess is more a matter of indoctrination and you don't have the intellectual honesty to face reality.

But hey, whatever lies you tell yourself to get you from one end of the day to the other...

Evangelism isn't my spiritual gift. My spiritual gift is showing mercy and caring. I'm a nurse and I look at a person as an emotional, physical and spiritual being. I help people get the health care they need. People have a hard time focusing on spirituality when they are physically ill and hurting. I work in the community so I make sure people have food, clothing and a place to stay too. I also work with a group of people whose spirituality doesn't match mine. If I find they have spiritual needs I get in contact with people who know their spirituality and can help them.

I'm sure that the way I was raised influenced my spirituality. We were Easter and Christmas Christians. Home life also was also my first glimpse of hell. It wasn't until I went to University that I found a faith of my own. As to not having intellect, I made it through one of the top ten nursing schools In the US and at a well known University. 126 students started and 82 of us finished.

I don't need a lie to get me from one day to another. Just a sleep number bed and my cat.

 

[1sickbastard]

Evangelism isn't my spiritual gift. My spiritual gift is showing mercy and caring. I'm a nurse and I look at a person as an emotional, physical and spiritual being. I help people get the health care they need. People have a hard time focusing on spirituality when they are physically ill and hurting. I work in the community so I make sure people have food, clothing and a place to stay too. I also work with a group of people whose spirituality doesn't match mine. If I find they have spiritual needs I get in contact with people who know their spirituality and can help them.

I'm sure that the way I was raised influenced my spirituality. We were Easter and Christmas Christians. Home life also was also my first glimpse of hell. It wasn't until I went to University that I found a faith of my own. As to not having intellect, I made it through one of the top ten nursing schools In the US and at a well known University. 126 students started and 82 of us finished.

I don't need a lie to get me from one day to another. Just a sleep number bed and my cat.

I didna say you lacked intellect.
I did say you lacked intellectual honesty.

You know that quote from Hebrews 11:1?
"Now faith is the confidence in what we hope for and the assurance of what we do not see."
How is having confidence and assurance in something that cannot be objectively demonstrated nor independently verified, particularly when it flies in the the face of everything that can be objectively demonstrated and independently verified anything like intellectual honesty?

Oh, and nice claim about how evangelism isn't your "spiritual gift". Very convenient, especially if you "Ask, and it shall be given unto you..." (Matthew 7:7).

 

[MaryanneB]

What you believe is fine for you but don't even try to get up in my face about it. I don't care what you believe. My relationship with my God doesn't need your help.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Jesus just came to the back door.



He informed me that I would soon die for his sins...

I said, I don't care what you say, the Book of Mormon is a bunch of doodly-squat.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

Jesus is Just Alright

 

[Que]

23 pages.

Has anyone made it to Heaven as of yet from this thread?

Has the Opie been raptured?

What of salvation?

I met a fan dancer on the southside of Birmingham; she was running from a fat man selling salvation in his hand.

 

[Que]

I didna say you lacked intellect.
I did say you lacked intellectual honesty.

You know that quote from Hebrews 11:1?
"Now faith is the confidence in what we hope for and the assurance of what we do not see."
How is having confidence and assurance in something that cannot be objectively demonstrated nor independently verified, particularly when it flies in the the face of everything that can be objectively demonstrated and independently verified anything like intellectual honesty?

Oh, and nice claim about how evangelism isn't your "spiritual gift". Very convenient, especially if you "Ask, and it shall be given unto you..." (Matthew 7:7).

that quote is about asking for wisdom. Not spiritual gifts. Another biblical passage specifically says and I can't cite the reference to some is given the gift of tongues to some is given the gift of healing etcetera etcetera etcetera.

I know this because I asked for ESP and x-ray vision and got neither.

 

[Noor]

Jesus just came to the back door.



He informed me that I would soon die for his sins...

I said, I don't care what you say, the Book of Mormon is a bunch of doodly-squat.

But what if you believe in the white salamander???

 

[Noor]

that quote is about asking for wisdom. Not spiritual gifts. Another biblical passage specifically says and I can't cite the reference to some is given the gift of tongues to some is given the gift of healing etcetera etcetera etcetera.

1 Corinthians 12:10?

 

[Noor]

23 pages.

Has anyone made it to Heaven as of yet from this thread?

Has the Opie been raptured?

What of salvation?

I met a fan dancer on the southside of Birmingham; she was running from a fat man selling salvation in his hand.

I met this fan dancer when I was much younger. I was fascinated.

 

[eyerami]

Regarding this issue, there exists just 3 types of man:

1. The Natural Man: he is incapable of acknowledging any greater intellectual power than man himself. That "great" intellectualism of his commands that nothing truly exists which can't be physically demonstrated - which foolishly rules out any spiritualism (in the forms of everything non-physical/non-material which does exist) existing at all. The natural man maintains no Creator is needed to explain existence itself - shit, as natural man loves to put on Tshirts - just happens.

2. The Carnal Man: he is the prototypical fence sitter - one foot perpetually in the natural world and one foot perpetually in the spiritual world. The carnal man is one who proclaims "faith" and sometimes even "belief" in a Creator he knows exists, yet never can progress further because he adores the natural world just as much [see 1 John 2:15-17]. Thus, the carnal man is one of the "many are called"...

3 The Spiritual Man: he is one of the "few are chosen"; he inherently understands that the immortality of human life is ALL spiritual, that everything that is physical/material naturally dies, that it is only the spirit's essence which lives after death (eg: the memories of our loved ones establishing their presences in our lives and others long after they've gone, the love we still hold for them, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, etc, ad infinitum). The spiritual man has progressed beyond "a mustard seed of faith", beyond mere "belief", to the level of spiritual knowledge - the final stage of human evolution:

The kingdom of heaven on earth.

 

[Noor]

When I see "shit happens" on a T-shirt, I assume that the wearer is a Sunday Christian, a Carnal man as eyer puts it.

 

[Tryharder62]

I didna say you lacked intellect.
I did say you lacked intellectual honesty.

You know that quote from Hebrews 11:1?
"Now faith is the confidence in what we hope for and the assurance of what we do not see."
How is having confidence and assurance in something that cannot be objectively demonstrated nor independently verified, particularly when it flies in the the face of everything that can be objectively demonstrated and independently verified anything like intellectual honesty?

Oh, and nice claim about how evangelism isn't your "spiritual gift". Very convenient, especially if you "Ask, and it shall be given unto you..." (Matthew 7:7).

You think I lack intellectual honesty because I don't agree with you.

I have always enjoyed discussions on here. Phrodeau has knowledge of the bible that blows me away even though we don't agree. I don't even mind Eyer calling me a Harlot. He can have his opinion.

On here, though, I have never been able to get anyone to acknowledge that Jesus even lived here on earth. Not as a son of God but just a person who lived here for 33 years. However there is more evidence to say that he did then there is that Julius Caesar lived. (Yes, I am excluding the bible.) No one questions Julius Ceasar's part in history. People question my intelligence and say there is no Jesus, yet date their checks using the date, 2016 (AD). After His death. It's common sense.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

How do you figure that?

You are going to have to quote the rest of our conversation.

 

[xfrodobagginsx]

Anyone else curious as the the "other" option?

I'd love to see some explanations on what "other" means to those inclined to choosing that option.

Just because there are people who say things like "You don't have to pray that prayer in order to be a Christian" and things like that. In which I would agree, that it's not about a prayer, it is about accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, believing in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins. The prayer just sums it up to God and Confirms it.

 

[1sickbastard]

You think I lack intellectual honesty because I don't agree with you.

I have always enjoyed discussions on here. Phrodeau has knowledge of the bible that blows me away even though we don't agree. I don't even mind Eyer calling me a Harlot. He can have his opinion.

On here, though, I have never been able to get anyone to acknowledge that Jesus even lived here on earth. Not as a son of God but just a person who lived here for 33 years. However there is more evidence to say that he did then there is that Julius Caesar lived. (Yes, I am excluding the bible.) No one questions Julius Ceasar's part in history. People question my intelligence and say there is no Jesus, yet date their checks using the date, 2016 (AD). After His death. It's common sense.

No, I accuse you of lacking in intellectual honest because you say you have a faith, which is, by the dictionary definition, a loyalty to a belief, which has no basis in objectively demonstrable and independently verifiable reality.

To put it another way, is their anything that would convince you your "faith" is wrong?

If yes, please, tell us what would convince you.

If no, that is pretty much the definition of intellectual dishonesty.

Your claim that "there is more evidence to say that he (Jesus) did (have an actual existence) then there is that Julius Caesar lived." is a case in point.

There are writings directly attributed to Gaius Julius Caesar, along with direct references about Caesar by independent sources which are contemporary with the alleged existence of Caesar, a carved bust (which is not terribly flattering) which was carved during Caesar's lifetime, not to mention Roman denarius which were minted during Caesar's reign which are inscribe with both his likeness and the words "caesar parens patriae".

Now, what writings or other physical evidence can you present that;
Are attributed directly to Jesus?
Are independent, contemporary accounts of Jesus?
Are contemporary depictions of Jesus?

It would be more accurate to say there is more direct evidence for the existence of the Apostle Paul than there is for Jesus.

Also, don't forget there existed early Christian sects, like the Gnostics or the Marcionites, which never held a belief in Jesus as a physical being (though the Gnostics believed that Jesus "appeared" as a physical being, that appearance was only an illusion).

So, anyways, hit me with all your non-biblical evidence for the existence of Jesus.

 

[1sickbastard]

Just because there are people who say things like "You don't have to pray that prayer in order to be a Christian" and things like that. In which I would agree, that it's not about a prayer, it is about accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior, believing in your heart that He died on the cross and rose from the dead for your sins. The prayer just sums it up to God and Confirms it.

So the given option, "Other" didn't have any pre-defined meaning so you could play a goal-shifting post-hoc word game as it suits you?

Sure, that sounds totally legit. No problems here.

 

[phrodeau]

No, I accuse you of lacking in intellectual honest because you say you have a faith, which is, by the dictionary definition, a loyalty to a belief, which has no basis in objectively demonstrable and independently verifiable reality.

To put it another way, is their anything that would convince you your "faith" is wrong?

If yes, please, tell us what would convince you.

If no, that is pretty much the definition of intellectual dishonesty.

Your claim that "there is more evidence to say that he (Jesus) did (have an actual existence) then there is that Julius Caesar lived." is a case in point.

There are writings directly attributed to Gaius Julius Caesar, along with direct references about Caesar by independent sources which are contemporary with the alleged existence of Caesar, a carved bust (which is not terribly flattering) which was carved during Caesar's lifetime, not to mention Roman denarius which were minted during Caesar's reign which are inscribe with both his likeness and the words "caesar parens patriae".

Now, what writings or other physical evidence can you present that;
Are attributed directly to Jesus?
Are independent, contemporary accounts of Jesus?
Are contemporary depictions of Jesus?

It would be more accurate to say there is more direct evidence for the existence of the Apostle Paul than there is for Jesus.

Also, don't forget there existed early Christian sects, like the Gnostics or the Marcionites, which never held a belief in Jesus as a physical being (though the Gnostics believed that Jesus "appeared" as a physical being, that appearance was only an illusion).

So, anyways, hit me with all your non-biblical evidence for the existence of Jesus.

Most, if not all of that evidence is conveniently listed in post 367.

 

[1sickbastard]

Most, if not all of that evidence is conveniently listed in post 367.

Of which only one, Pontius Pilate, could be considered a contemporary source, but for which a reference is curiously absent from the linked web-page.

Unsurprisingly, the web site itself is a dot.com shilling the products of a Baptist preacher with no links to any peer-reviewed sources which can be independently verified.

 

[eyerami]

Hey, xfrodobagginsx:

What about this question:

What "Church" established the canon of the Holy Bible you read, and which you maintain is the literal Word of God?

 

[Noor]

Good question!

 

[Tryharder62]

No, I accuse you of lacking in intellectual honest because you say you have a faith, which is, by the dictionary definition, a loyalty to a belief, which has no basis in objectively demonstrable and independently verifiable reality.

To put it another way, is their anything that would convince you your "faith" is wrong?

If yes, please, tell us what would convince you.

If no, that is pretty much the definition of intellectual dishonesty.

Your claim that "there is more evidence to say that he (Jesus) did (have an actual existence) then there is that Julius Caesar lived." is a case in point.

There are writings directly attributed to Gaius Julius Caesar, along with direct references about Caesar by independent sources which are contemporary with the alleged existence of Caesar, a carved bust (which is not terribly flattering) which was carved during Caesar's lifetime, not to mention Roman denarius which were minted during Caesar's reign which are inscribe with both his likeness and the words "caesar parens patriae".

Now, what writings or other physical evidence can you present that;
Are attributed directly to Jesus?
Are independent, contemporary accounts of Jesus?
Are contemporary depictions of Jesus?

It would be more accurate to say there is more direct evidence for the existence of the Apostle Paul than there is for Jesus.

Also, don't forget there existed early Christian sects, like the Gnostics or the Marcionites, which never held a belief in Jesus as a physical being (though the Gnostics believed that Jesus "appeared" as a physical being, that appearance was only an illusion).

So, anyways, hit me with all your non-biblical evidence for the existence of Jesus.

Most, if not all of that evidence is conveniently listed in post 367.

Yes, those people were who I would have quoted. Look if I die and I go to heaven, maybe I can send a smoke signal or something to let you know if I am right or wrong. If I'm wrong the worst that can happen is that I will fertilize a tree with you. I'll have lived my life following a pretty awesome mentor.

I'm Ok with the Apostle Paul having more direct evidence for his existance than Jesus. You used the term Apostle Paul, but you do realize that he was a persecutor of early Christians until he became an Apostle. Apostle being a follower and early teacher of Jesus!!!!!!

I have a thing for cold cases. If there is a mystery show on television about an unsolved case I will probably watch it and see how they solved it. I came across a man named J Warner Wallace. He is a homicide detective that works cold cases. He decided to use the same techniques he used on cold cases to look at the evidence of Jesus. There are tons of free videos on You tube but I did copy this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzPOTeo9BR8. I would love for you to watch it. Anyway I thought it was interesting and thought it might interest those who want the evidence.

Hope you enjoy
Nighty Night

 

[BotanyBoy]

You are going to have to quote the rest of our conversation.

Ok.


1SB posted this...

It's not "yee", it's '"ye".

Not little faith.
NO Faith!

I have no loyalty to any ideology and no belief in anything that cannot be objectively demonstrated to be congruent with observable reality.

Oh, and quoting the buy-bull means sweet fuck all to me.

And you posted this in direct response.

Then you don't believe in Darwinian Evolution.

How do you figure that one can't believe in evolution without loyalty to an ideology and a belief in something that cannot be demonstrated to be congruent with observable reality??

Are you actually claiming that scientific theory is the same a religious ideology?

 

[1sickbastard]

Yes, those people were who I would have quoted. Look if I die and I go to heaven, maybe I can send a smoke signal or something to let you know if I am right or wrong. If I'm wrong the worst that can happen is that I will fertilize a tree with you. I'll have lived my life following a pretty awesome mentor.

I'm Ok with the Apostle Paul having more direct evidence for his existance than Jesus. You used the term Apostle Paul, but you do realize that he was a persecutor of early Christians until he became an Apostle. Apostle being a follower and early teacher of Jesus!!!!!!

I have a thing for cold cases. If there is a mystery show on television about an unsolved case I will probably watch it and see how they solved it. I came across a man named J Warner Wallace. He is a homicide detective that works cold cases. He decided to use the same techniques he used on cold cases to look at the evidence of Jesus. There are tons of free videos on You tube but I did copy this one. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzPOTeo9BR8. I would love for you to watch it. Anyway I thought it was interesting and thought it might interest those who want the evidence.

Hope you enjoy
Nighty Night

Yeah, I was raised and catechized as a MS Lutheran. I actually made it a point to read and learn, not only the bible, but the history of Christianity, the actual history, not the limited, cherry-picked story fed to the sheep.
Paul was an innovator who didn't insist that men had to chop off part of their dicks to be part of his particular mystery cult. Nothing all that spectacular about understanding the demographic to which one is trying to peddle one's wares.

And a youtube video that does not cite sources means just as much as referring to the sales brochure as "evidence", i.e. sweet fuck all. Don't care he's a cold case detective. Arguments from authority which don't cite sources or refer to peer-reviewed literature, especially those which have a demonstrable bias, are on par with a tv infomercial.
You've done nothing more than demonstrate your inability to justify your belief or prove that you're little more than an Easter and X-mas Christian, except you maybe go once a week.
Well, that and to demonstrate you have zero understanding of the concept of intellectual honesty or objectively demonstrable, independently verifiable evidence.

Seriously, you think a fucking youtube vid and a website with uncited sources equals "more evidence for the existence of Jesus than the existence of Julius Caesar".

But hey, whatever you need to tell yourself.

Oh, and BTW, fuck you for making me agree with eyer on ANYTHING.
Seriously, Fuck You with eyer's wrinkly limp dick, right from the same hole you spew your hypocritical religious crap.

 

[eyerami]

It's always a gas reading "Christian" bozos yapping their gospel while purposely participating on an internet porn Board cause they get off fucking around behind their spouses' backs.

There is most definitely nothing easier in this world than a lonely "Christian" bimbo who maintains her husband doesn't pay enough attention to her...

Ain't that right, pete.