Why Strong, Independent Women Just Want to Be Taken Care of

[LJ_Reloaded]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/laure...women-want-to-be-taken-care-of_b_3605582.html

Setting aside the fact that I have not read the Fifty Shades series due to what has been described to me as the books’ rather lackluster prose, sometime misogyny and excessively silly romantic situations, I would like to explore the idea that mature, confident, independent women do sometimes face the catch-22 of wanting to be strong in the world while wanting to be ‘taken care of’ — and not just sexually — in romantic relationships. That is, some women want to be completely respected for their capabilities and strength of character while also wanting to be led, supported and cared for emotionally, socially and yes, sometimes even economically when they are with a man. The stronger a woman is emotionally or professionally in her daily life, the more she may desire some aspect of this.

This phenomenon may not seem fair to men who seek a relationship founded on equal support, care, understanding and check-covering, which, admittedly, seems like a fair request. I’ll admit my proposal may cause a huge inner conflict for some otherwise-liberated women who do not see themselves as ‘takers,’ ‘traditionalists,’ ‘needy’ or ‘vulnerable.’ But as Stephen Marche states in his recent article in The Atlantic, “Home Economics: The Link Between Work-Life Balance and Income Inequality,” “Today, men and women are not facing off on a battleground so much as stuck together in a maze of contradictions.”

In other words women are ultra entitled, they want independence without all the hardships. Meanwhile women expect men to bear the weight of everything, and ask for nothing in return.

The problem is, as long as men oblige them, they won’t ever change. Women only take from us what we allow them to take, and the reverse is also true.

Don’t feed these hypocrites, and they’ll either die off or stop being hypocrites. We need to create a culture that does not let these kinds of women flourish. But first we need to stop being so desperate for female approval.

How can we ask women to change when we won’t provide any incentive?

 

[Liar]

The stong, indenpendent woman occasionally occupying the immediate vicinity around my dick would kick yo ass. And whoever wrote that tripe.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yea, the idiot who wrote that is touting the 80 cents for every mans dollar myth again.


I can't wait until that lie dies.

The stong, indenpendent woman occasionally occupying the immediate vicinity around my dick would kick yo ass. And whoever wrote that tripe.

That would be a strong, independent, liberal woman who writes for Huff Post.

You some kinda sexist or something?

Is she no longer a REAL woman because she's shining a light on the entitled bitch pandemic in the US?

Or you just mad she's not toeing the line when it comes to the liberal democrat narrative?

 

[Liar]

You were probably trying to make a point there, but I have no idea what it is.

 

[BotanyBoy]

You were probably trying to make a point there, but I have no idea what it is.

Not at all shocking

 

[raindancer]

Interesting. I, personally, have found that men are threatened by my independence. The initial infatuation encourages my behavior but as soon as I commit, I am given the ultimatum of "stay at home and be submissive or else."

 

[BotanyBoy]

Interesting. I, personally, have found that men are threatened by my independence. The initial infatuation encourages my behavior but as soon as I commit, I am given the ultimatum of "stay at home and be submissive or else."

A lot of guys are twats like that, especially the older ones who grew up in an time when that was the standard.

Question is (with regard to the thread) do you as an independent woman expect him to pay for everything and treat you like a princess high up on her silken pedestal?

Or do you pay your fair share? Both in the monetary and effort sense.

Or do you expect him to pay all the bills, plan all the dates etc. ?

 

[raindancer]

I have always paid for everything. I have been making my own money since I was 11. Yes, 11.
I fix my own cars with my hands. I cut the lawn. I clean the house. I take care of myself. I always have and I always will.

 

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[BotanyBoy]

I have always paid for everything. I have been making my own money since I was 11. Yes, 11.
I fix my own cars with my hands. I cut the lawn. I clean the house. I take care of myself. I always have and I always will.

I'm glad you can adult but I'm not asking if you take care of yourself.

I'm asking if in a relationship you think the courtship of and emotional/economic security and support in a relationship is or should be a 1 way street from male to female?

Because from what I understand those are the women who this article is talking about. Women who want to be respected as equals, but cared for like a dependent and how much bullshit that is.

I'm just trying to figure which camp you're in....the independent woman that I should respect camp or the entitled bitch who I should ridicule camp.

That's all.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Yea, the idiot who wrote that is touting the 80 cents for every mans dollar myth again.


I can't wait until that lie dies.



That would be a strong, independent, liberal white woman who writes for Huff Post.

You some kinda sexist or something?

Is she no longer a REAL woman because she's shining a light on the entitled bitch pandemic in the US?

Or you just mad she's not toeing the line when it comes to the liberal democrat narrative?

FYP

Interesting. I, personally, have found that men are threatened by my independence. The initial infatuation encourages my behavior but as soon as I commit, I am given the ultimatum of "stay at home and be submissive or else."

It's your masculine energy, not your independence. The "men are threatened by me" is a myth.

 

[BotanyBoy]

FYP

Thanks, wouldn't want to mess up the most important detail.

To be fair though, this is pretty strictly a gender discussion so I just assumed the fact that she was a woman was all that mattered.....right?

Dose race matter in the gender arena??

 

[raindancer]

I want an equal partner in all sense of the term. And if I am told by men that they are threatened by my independence, it's not really a myth. Being told that they feel immaculated because I don't need them is not a myth.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Thanks, wouldn't want to mess up the most important detail.

To be fair though, this is pretty strictly a gender discussion so I just assumed the fact that she was a woman was all that mattered.....right?

Dose race matter in the gender arena??

I just like to remind everyone that uber Liberal HuffPo with all of their multiculti affirmative action white male privilege horseshit articles have an editorial staff that is 90%+ white women.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

I want an equal partner in all sense of the term. And if I am told by men that they are threatened by my independence, it's not really a myth. Being told that they feel immaculated because I don't need them is not a myth.

I don't believe you when you claim men say, "I am threatened by your independence." I don't believe anyone has ever actually said that you, but instead it is something you have inferred when a potential relationship reaches the make-or-break level in terms of commitment and does not pan out.

 

[raindancer]

I have two different couples' therapists to verify.
That sounds like I can't manage relationships on my own, one can infer. But I fight until the end which may include therapy or opening a relationship.

I meet people in the middle. I don't rely on inference or mind reading. Either you lay it out on the table with your words or move on. I stopped playing games once I turned 40. I don't have time for the shit.

So yes, those exact words have been spoken to me.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

I have two different couples' therapists to verify.
That sounds like I can't manage relationships on my own, one can infer. But I fight until the end which may include therapy or opening a relationship.

I meet people in the middle. I don't rely on inference or mind reading. Either you lay it out on the table with your words or move on. I stopped playing games once I turned 40. I don't have time for the shit.

So yes, those exact words have been spoken to me.

Sorry I don't buy it. Especially now that you are throwing in couples therapy and open relationships. It all rings false. Not like you are lying to me/Lit, but like you are lying to yourself.

 

[raindancer]

Sure thing, darlin'. We can disagree. I don't need your approval. I was engaging in a conversation which required sharing aspects of my life to support my opinion. What you choose to deduce is fine. But, it doesn't falsify my life.

 

[LadyFunkenstein]

Sure thing, darlin'. We can disagree. I don't need your approval. I was engaging in a conversation which required sharing aspects of my life to support my opinion. What you choose to deduce is fine. But, it doesn't falsify my life.

I am not offering you the chance my approval. I just don't believe what you say. Its obvious you use masculine energy as an attractor which is the true source of what goes wrong in potential relationships.

Your life though, best of luck.

 

[OldJourno]

Interesting. I, personally, have found that men are threatened by my independence. The initial infatuation encourages my behavior but as soon as I commit, I am given the ultimatum of "stay at home and be submissive or else."

Tell you what, if you're making pretty good money I'll just stay at home and be submissive. Unless I'm playing golf or watching football down at the sports bat.

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

A lot of guys are twats like that, especially the older ones who grew up in an time when that was the standard.

Yup, dudes like that are dinosaurs. Got no sympathy for that type, they're messing shit up for the majority of us who actually read that "21st century has arrived" memo.

FYP

There is that. A lot of black women are fairly conspicuous about supporting their man when he's down. Not all, but a lot. Probably most.

Thanks, wouldn't want to mess up the most important detail.

To be fair though, this is pretty strictly a gender discussion so I just assumed the fact that she was a woman was all that mattered.....right?

Dose race matter in the gender arena??

YES

Feminists are utterly notorious for having left black women behind in a lot of issues.

 

[BotanyBoy]

YES

Feminists are utterly notorious for having left black women behind in a lot of issues.

Then tell me what exactly is special about black women over other women with regard to their womanhood or legal rights as a woman?

 

[thør]

You were probably trying to make a point there, but I have no idea what it is.

http://14871-presscdn-0-39.pagely.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/aguilera_clinton_153319878.jpg

 

[LJ_Reloaded]

Then tell me what exactly is special about black women over other women with regard to their womanhood or legal rights as a woman?

The problem is that feminists seriously neglect racism as a part of the gender discussion.

Black feminists are raging at gangstuh rap and gangster culture, white feminists could give a rat's ass, they're too scared of being un-PC by calling out the gangstuhz. Then black women get more hate than anything in the universe but do white feminists call that out? Nope.

Ghostbusters actress Leslie Jones is getting the fuck hacked out of her right now and have her co-stars spoken up? Nope. Let one of them get hacked, though, and the feminists will explode.

There's a hell of a lot more about how feminism has failed black women here.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/lindsay-hoffman/black-woman-white-movemen_b_8569540.html

http://atlantablackstar.com/2015/05/19/feminist-movement-isnt-always-black-women/

http://everydayfeminism.com/2015/06/black-feminists-guide-white-feminists/

 

[BotanyBoy]

The problem is that feminists seriously neglect racism as a part of the gender discussion.

Because those are race issues, not gender issues.

They aren't the same topic and feminism never was supposed to be about black culture issues it's about womenz issues.

Ghostbusters actress Leslie Jones is getting the fuck hacked out of her right now and have her co-stars spoken up? Nope. Let one of them get hacked, though, and the feminists will explode.

Bullshit, white girls get their shit hacked and nakkies put on the web all day every day and no one gives a fuck. The only reason Jones's story is blowing up is because she's black and they are trying to make feminism about racism. 2 causes desperate for material to rage against.

So, we are back to the original issue. Unless you can point out something specific that somehow makes black women special with regard to womanhood then you've got a pretty piss poor argument.