Do Republicans really think they can move forward without Trump supporters?

[renard_ruse]

These Republicans who are still attacking Trump, refusing to support the nominee, even supporting the Clintons, what exactly is the end game here?

Do they really think the plurality (perhaps even a majority) of their own party, which turned out to be Trump supporters, are going to disappear after November?

They think we will forgive and forget and go back into the closet. Politics as usual will return? We won't remember or hold them responsible if Trump doesn't win? We will just give up on our issues, like trade, immigration, and foreign policy?

Who do they think is going to vote for them?

 

[patient1]

These Republicans who are still attacking Trump, refusing to support the nominee, even supporting the Clintons, what exactly is the end game here?

Do they really think the plurality (perhaps even a majority) of their own party, which turned out to be Trump supporters, are going to disappear after November?

They think we will forgive and forget and go back into the closet. Politics as usual will return? We won't remember or hold them responsible if Trump doesn't win? We will just give up on our issues, like trade, immigration, and foreign policy?

Who do they think is going to vote for them?

Seriously, didn't you say that this year was about party re-alignments?
Didn't you already predict that the Democrats would become the party of Wall Street?

Trump concentrated on non-voters. Some of the Republicans think that they will return to being non-voters after Trump loses. Independents and Democrats who supported Trump aren't registered Republicans, so they aren't precinct workers, they aren't on the GOP donor roles, and they aren't on the lists that are used for turning out the vote... the things that make a party effective. The things they call a ground game.

The Trump movement will likely lose the senate for the Republicans. The Republicans ridiculed as "the establishment" see the Trump movement as a hostile takeover that has spoiled the best opportunity to control the entire Federal Government in .... when? Has it happened in my lifetime?

The end game is that most of them are simply putting country before party. The disaster for the party is a done deal, but they don't intend to let Trump start committing war crimes, starting trade wars, disregarding treaties, loosening up libel laws so that he can sue anybody who criticizes him, building a new iron curtain, creating a police state to facilitate mass deportation, or possibly using nuclear weapons to stop ISIS from existing as soon as he is president. Believe me.

They'll probably start over. They might even enact some rules that require things like tax return disclosure, military or government experience, criminal record checks, just to run as a candidate. Maybe medical, drug and psychological testing when running for president. That way they won't get caught again with an unqualified nominee.

 

[BettyPoop]

I think these Republicans will cave and support Trump.

It's what they do--like the Geico commercial. They'll fuck the country if they think it will help them in their re-elections. I wish I were wrong, but I'm afraid balls are in short supply in the GOP.

Yeah, "Cave...It's What Republicans Do." Geico is owned by Clinton supporter and SELF MADE BILLIONAIRE Warren Buffet.

 

[snugglestruggle]

Seriously, didn't you say that this year was about party re-alignments?
Didn't you already predict that the Democrats would become the party of Wall Street?

Trump concentrated on non-voters. Some of the Republicans think that they will return to being non-voters after Trump loses. Independents and Democrats who supported Trump aren't registered Republicans, so they aren't precinct workers, they aren't on the GOP donor roles, and they aren't on the lists that are used for turning out the vote... the things that make a party effective. The things they call a ground game.

The Trump movement will likely lose the senate for the Republicans. The Republicans ridiculed as "the establishment" see the Trump movement as a hostile takeover that has spoiled the best opportunity to control the entire Federal Government in .... when? Has it happened in my lifetime?

The end game is that most of them are simply putting country before party. The disaster for the party is a done deal, but they don't intend to let Trump start committing war crimes, starting trade wars, disregarding treaties, loosening up libel laws so that he can sue anybody who criticizes him, building a new iron curtain, creating a police state to facilitate mass deportation, or possibly using nuclear weapons to stop ISIS from existing as soon as he is president. Believe me.

They'll probably start over. They might even enact some rules that require things like tax return disclosure, military or government experience, criminal record checks, just to run as a candidate. Maybe medical, drug and psychological testing when running for president. That way they won't get caught again with an unqualified nominee.

If Trump loses, the non voters are going to turn out in droves to exact vengeance on the establishment republicans that are not supporting Trump. It will be the establishment that blows the election. The base has changed but the establishment refuses to accept that despite the overwhelming evidence. These so called non voters gave the republicans the house and the senate, they can and will take it from them. The next mid term elections will be a blood bath for them.

How is helping Hillary become POTUS (by sabotaging Trump) putting the country before the party? They hate Obama yet will enable his successor to continue his programs? FFS that is lunacy.

The only criminal in this election, let alone person that has committed war crimes, is Hillary. Trump hasn't overthrown any governments, run guns to terrorists, drug cartels, paid ransoms' to kidnappers, sold influence (he's bought some from Hillary btw) or leaked classified info which resulted in murder.

 

[BettyPoop]

Cave... It's what Republicans do.

Thanks, Warren.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Every regime thru history is the same, and has the same agenda. Every regime wants Feudalism where power and status and prosperity are inherited, and the toil and bloodshed belong to the peasants.

But occasionally the class of peasants are too large and too neglected and the system evicts the elites. Trump voters are the peasants.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

These Republicans who are still attacking Trump, refusing to support the nominee, even supporting the Clintons, what exactly is the end game here?

Do they really think the plurality (perhaps even a majority) of their own party, which turned out to be Trump supporters, are going to disappear after November?

They think we will forgive and forget and go back into the closet. Politics as usual will return? We won't remember or hold them responsible if Trump doesn't win? We will just give up on our issues, like trade, immigration, and foreign policy?

Who do they think is going to vote for them?

If Trump loses, the non voters are going to turn out in droves to exact vengeance on the establishment republicans that are not supporting Trump. It will be the establishment that blows the election. The base has changed but the establishment refuses to accept that despite the overwhelming evidence. These so called non voters gave the republicans the house and the senate, they can and will take it from them. The next mid term elections will be a blood bath for them.

How is helping Hillary become POTUS (by sabotaging Trump) putting the country before the party? They hate Obama yet will enable his successor to continue his programs? FFS that is lunacy.

The only criminal in this election, let alone person that has committed war crimes, is Hillary. Trump hasn't overthrown any governments, run guns to terrorists, drug cartels, paid ransoms' to kidnappers, sold influence (he's bought some from Hillary btw) or leaked classified info which resulted in murder.

So how are either of you two fools going to extract your future vengeance or champion your issues like trade, immigration and foreign policy by doing the same thing (voting for a Democrat) that some establishment Republicans are doing now?

If you give a shit about your future interests, you'll do the same thing everyone else does in a two party system. You'll vote for the candidate that you believe best represents those interests at that time and you'll do it despite what some long dead, retired or still serving Republicans did in the past.

Who do you think you're kidding?

 

[patient1]

If Trump loses,

He's already lost. He blew it by picking fights with the families of veterans and other Republicans instead of unifying and going after Hillary. Don't believe he's lost the election? I"ll bet my avatar title on it for the remainder of November. Would you care to bet the same ?

the non voters are going to turn out in droves to exact vengeance on the establishment republicans that are not supporting Trump. It will be the establishment that blows the election. The base has changed but the establishment refuses to accept that despite the overwhelming evidence.

Oh, a lot accept that change has come, and they realize that the party isn't big enough for them any more. Others are trying to avoid allowing destruction of the brand in hopes of rebuilding after this year's crash and burn. The Trump faction doesn't understand that the Trump faction got a mere plurality of the GOP primary vote, and while it exceeded previous Republican primary vote totals, it was still less than Hillary got in the primaries.

These so called non voters gave the republicans the house and the senate, they can and will take it from them. The next mid term elections will be a blood bath for them.

If these non-voters were voting, and actually created the Congressional majorities, how is it that Obama got elected twice?

The midterms would be worse if Trump were elected. Trump is vying with the margin of error for last place among young voters. The racist, sexist old white guy vote didn't carry the nation the last two times, it won't this time, and it won't do it alone in the future.

How is helping Hillary become POTUS (by sabotaging Trump) putting the country before the party? They hate Obama yet will enable his successor to continue his programs? FFS that is lunacy.

Poor as the status quo may be, our armed service members are not wanted internationally as war criminals, we are not under a trade embargo, the press can criticize the politicians, families aren't being broken up by forced deportation, and we aren't paying to man and maintain a wall, we don't have to worry about a nuclear war, we don't have to worry about a war starting because we talked about ignoring a treaty, and our president doesn't make jokes about shooting people.

The only criminal in this election, let alone person that has committed war crimes, is Hillary. Trump hasn't overthrown any governments, run guns to terrorists, drug cartels, paid ransoms' to kidnappers, sold influence (he's bought some from Hillary btw) or leaked classified info which resulted in murder.

Okay true, ( at least until he's convicted of fraud and racketeering for Trump University ) I'm just taking Trump at his word as to what he would do as president.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

The pure Republican elite is happy to be the minority party as long as they do not have to be associated with "those" people.

They care about what the press, the intellectuals, and the members of the inside-the-beltway cocktail circuit things about them than they do living up to their brand as the champions of limited government and individual rights.

Over at NRO, for example, they still have no idea as to how loathsome they have become to their base for their total lack of principle and the speed at which they cave to the demands of the Democrat Party via the press and the secret pressure of their peers, be it Chief Justice Roberts or FBI Director Comey.

Their standing comes not from how the nation views their tarnished reputation, but how their betrayal of principle and law burnishes their reputation in a handful of counties that ring "Forbidden City."

 

[NOIRTRASH]

The GOP likes to play THE GOOD NIGGERS Democrats can invite to parties.

During the Revolution most of the Continental Congress played Good Niggers, and got immunity from the British to spend the winters in places like Philadelphia. Washington and the boys froze/starved at Valley Forge while the Congress quarreled over accommodations and carriages. Revolution memoirs don't flatter the pols, officers, or darkies. Peter Horry said blacks were better than roadsigns when the Brits went looking for Patriots. The Brits took the best blacks North, gave them white widows, and used them to spy.

But Washington won because he was a rock.

 

[the_kuntess]

He's already lost. He blew it by picking fights with the families of veterans and other Republicans instead of unifying and going after Hillary.

Truth right there....plus letting his ego off the leash waaaay too many times.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

HRC cant handle debates. But her answers wont change one vote. The line is drawn. Its up to voter turn out now.

 

[BettyPoop]

Republicans don't go forward.

It's a trick question.

 

[McMax]

I have come to the conclusion after watching all that has happened that the Republicans do not want to win the Presidency. Republican have been living on their knees with their heads bowed for 8 years saying that because that non-American void in the Oval Office there is nothing they can do in spite of being given majorities in both houses and a clear mandate by the people to stop Obastard from turning the country into a authoritarian third world shit hole!

And with the Hag in place the Republicans can stay on their knees and shrug and say there is nothing they can do and it’s not their fault that America is dead and that establishment Republicans don’t have any real problem with it becoming a authoritarian welfare state drowning in third world peasants. Why else is the GOP destroying its own candidate? They don’t want to win.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

I have come to the conclusion after watching all that has happened that the Republicans do not want to win the Presidency. Republican have been living on their knees with their heads bowed for 8 years saying that because that non-American void in the Oval Office there is nothing they can do in spite of being given majorities in both houses and a clear mandate by the people to stop Obastard from turning the country into a authoritarian third world shit hole!

And with the Hag in place the Republicans can stay on their knees and shrug and say there is nothing they can do and it’s not their fault that America is dead and that establishment Republicans don’t have any real problem with it becoming a authoritarian welfare state drowning in third world peasants. Why else is the GOP destroying its own candidate? They don’t want to win.

The Republican party establishment NEVER had the moral authority to deny Trump the nomination, no matter what party rules shenanigans they might have implemented.

But they certainly have the right to campaign, not campaign or vote for whichever candidate they wish. They don't want candidate Trump to win because they fear the long term effects of a Trump presidency would be far more detrimental to future Republican prospects than merely losing a single election.

But your speculation that they have abdicated ambitions for future political power in favor of playing the role of oppressed victim is indisputably the dumbest idea that a single-celled organism could possibly fathom.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

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#RemainsUnbothered

 

[Aglaopheme]

Seriously, didn't you say that this year was about party re-alignments?
Didn't you already predict that the Democrats would become the party of Wall Street?

Trump concentrated on non-voters. Some of the Republicans think that they will return to being non-voters after Trump loses. Independents and Democrats who supported Trump aren't registered Republicans, so they aren't precinct workers, they aren't on the GOP donor roles, and they aren't on the lists that are used for turning out the vote... the things that make a party effective. The things they call a ground game.

The Trump movement will likely lose the senate for the Republicans. The Republicans ridiculed as "the establishment" see the Trump movement as a hostile takeover that has spoiled the best opportunity to control the entire Federal Government in .... when? Has it happened in my lifetime?

The end game is that most of them are simply putting country before party. The disaster for the party is a done deal, but they don't intend to let Trump start committing war crimes, starting trade wars, disregarding treaties, loosening up libel laws so that he can sue anybody who criticizes him, building a new iron curtain, creating a police state to facilitate mass deportation, or possibly using nuclear weapons to stop ISIS from existing as soon as he is president. Believe me.

They'll probably start over. They might even enact some rules that require things like tax return disclosure, military or government experience, criminal record checks, just to run as a candidate. Maybe medical, drug and psychological testing when running for president. That way they won't get caught again with an unqualified nominee.

People have no idea what a tiny percentage of the population votes in primaries.

The Repiblican Party is trying to save the rest of ticket dangling there below Trump.

 

[Wrong Element]

Trump concentrated on non-voters. Some of the Republicans think that they will return to being non-voters after Trump loses. Independents and Democrats who supported Trump aren't registered Republicans, so they aren't precinct workers, they aren't on the GOP donor roles, and they aren't on the lists that are used for turning out the vote... the things that make a party effective. The things they call a ground game.

For all the talk about how Trump is supposedly winning non-voters and crossover Democratic votes, what actually happened during primary season is that he got people to vote in Republican primaries who typically only vote in general elections (hence the giant turnout in several states). But that's not the same thing as saying that he's flipping voters who typically turn out for Democrats in November. Do commentators really believe that there are so-called "white working class" voters who happily pulled the lever for Obama and have just now decided to go for Trump? That's been a GOP voting bloc for a while; Obama, or rather former Democrats who refused to vote for him for reasons which I'm positive have nothing to do with his race (and it's only just a coincidence almost all of them live in places like eastern Ohio, western Pennsylvania, and Kentucky), just accelerated that trend.

These Republicans who are still attacking Trump, refusing to support the nominee, even supporting the Clintons, what exactly is the end game here?

Do they really think the plurality (perhaps even a majority) of their own party, which turned out to be Trump supporters, are going to disappear after November?

They think we will forgive and forget and go back into the closet. Politics as usual will return? We won't remember or hold them responsible if Trump doesn't win? We will just give up on our issues, like trade, immigration, and foreign policy?

Who do they think is going to vote for them?

Ask yourself this question, Renard: why would someone decide "I am a Republican" in the first place? It's not like picking a team in sports. Most Republicans in my age group became that way because they liked what Reagan, Jack Kemp etc. were saying on issues like "trade, immigration, and foreign policy." Now Trump comes along calling himself a Republican, but believes completely different things. Should those old Reagan-style Republicans just keep voting GOP based on blind loyalty, which seems to be what you think they should do? Or should they change deeply held beliefs simply because they're outnumbered in their party? Why wouldn't they look around for someone who actually believes the same things they do?


This is obviously a problem for Republicans going forward. If 2016 has proven anything, it's that there really isn't a popular constituency for what the Kochs, the Wall Street Journal editorial page, Paul Ryan etc. have been peddling.

 

[BettyPoop]

It's a trick question.

Forget "drill, baby, drill." It's "kill, baby, kill" now.

The Republican House must have some serious bedsores from not getting off their asses for the last eight years.

 

[patient1]

It's not even a question of moving forward any more. Some see it as trying emergency measures to halt the backward slide which Trump has caused.


Dozens of Republicans to urge RNC to cut off funds for Trump

The open letter pushes the RNC to shift resources to Senate and House races.


By Anna Palmer

08/11/16 01:30 PM EDT


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/08/republicans-urge-rnc-cut-funds-trump-226918#ixzz4H3r6BuZg
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“We believe that Donald Trump’s divisiveness, recklessness, incompetence, and record-breaking unpopularity risk turning this election into a Democratic landslide, and only the immediate shift of all available RNC resources to vulnerable Senate and House races will prevent the GOP from drowning with a Trump-emblazoned anchor around its neck,” states a draft of the letter obtained by POLITICO. “This should not be a difficult decision, as Donald Trump’s chances of being elected president are evaporating by the day.”

AND

“Those recent outrages have built on his campaign of anger and exclusion, during which he has mocked and offended millions of voters, including the disabled, women, Muslims, immigrants, and minorities,” the letter states. “He also has shown dangerous authoritarian tendencies, including threats to ban an entire religion from entering the country, order the military to break the law by torturing prisoners, kill the families of suspected terrorists, track law-abiding Muslim citizens in databases, and use executive orders to implement other illegal and unconstitutional measures.”

 

[toubab]

Republicans are on board an old, leaking party ship that is sinking fast. Donald Trump came along in his yacht and threw them a lifeline, but many are refusing to get on board with him. Evidently they prefer political suicide.

 

[RoryN]

He's already lost. He blew it by picking fights with the families of veterans and other Republicans instead of unifying and going after Hillary. Don't believe he's lost the election? I"ll bet my avatar title on it for the remainder of November. Would you care to bet the same ?

Wuss bet.

Try this one: http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1322236

 

[coati]

The 2016 Republican Party is a train wreck. They have become the victims of their own 8-year campaign to promote obstructionism and division. Really, Obama left them in the dust, despite the fact he could get very little done because of Republican obstructionism and divisiveness. Obama makes Republican leaders look petty and incompetent, and he teed up this election for Hillary, despite her shortcomings.

If the Republicans want to become relevant again, they will have to build a base that does not operate primarily from the reptilian part of the brain. I do not know if there is much chance of that happening.

The relevant debate right now is within the Democratic Party, between corporate interests and more populist interests. I respect what Bernie did to make that the relevant dialog, as opposed to the bizarre circus we saw in the Republican primaries.

 

[BettyPoop]

It's a trick question.

Republicans don't think.

 

[patient1]

Wuss bet.

Try this one: http://forum.literotica.com/showthread.php?t=1322236

Okay. I'm in.