Philando Castile

[Liar]

Yes, your hypothetical example could happen.

The question is not if it could happen. The question is a) whether interpreting that sort of non compliance as a threat demanding lethal force is reasonable and b) what consequences making such a fatal misinterpretation should have. I.e, is it hunky-dory?

 

[Liar]

Funny how that is a one-way street yet again.

The suspect is human who made a mistake.

The cop is an animal who executed him.

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Nope. The cop is a human who also made a mistake.

This cop's mistake was (seemingly) an assumption that a guy with a lady passenger and a small child in the back seat was gonna pull out a piece and play cop killer.

 

[Conager]

To the best of your abilities, provided you fully understood the instructions. If not, or if your abilities somehow prevent it, you're dead, and that's apparently hunky-dory.

If remaining motionless seems difficult, gather some friends together and play a few rounds of freeze tag till you get the hang of it

 

[Liar]

If remaining motionless seems difficult, gather some friends together and play a few rounds of freeze tag till you get the hang of it

Cute. Irrelevant, but cute.

 

[Lancecastor]

http://madworldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/composite_14681642056411-620x326.jpg


Castile's vehicular party lifestyle might have been behind his rep with Police.

see:
http://madworldnews.com/philando-castile-girlfriend-exposed/

 

[phrodeau]

http://madworldnews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/07/composite_14681642056411-620x326.jpg


Castile's vehicular party lifestyle might have been behind his rep with Police.

see:
http://madworldnews.com/philando-castile-girlfriend-exposed/

That there is a good enough reason to shoot the guy.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Phrodough...

I am continually amazed at the ways in which you will display your pure partisanship.

You need to check your white privilege at the door cracker.

 

[richard_daily]

That there is a good enough reason to shoot the guy.

Yeah, how dare his girlfriend have an unopened bottle of liquor in the car?!?!

 

[richard_daily]

I love the "proof" that a black guy wearing a bow tie is a member of the nation of islaam.

The wingnut "news" sources will really resort to anything these days... and dumb fucks like lance and ish and miles will believe it.

 

[Lancecastor]

but...but...but... he was such a nice young man!

 

[IrezumiKiss]

We just have to wait for facts.

Yes, we have to wait for facts. This.

While presuming and hoping that Philando did something wrong and assuming something in his life choices or reaching for something in his assumed character scrutiny makes him deserving of an outright extrajudicial execution, caught on video. It's part of our freedoms to do this sort of thing, character assassinations on groups of people we don't respect, disdain or have deep-rooted contempt towards. Also it's fun and ridiculously easy to do in our magical internet forum age.

But yes, we have to wait for facts. We absolutely have to wait for facts. True patriotic red-blooded Americans would wait for facts instead of casting 'spersions and stuff like that. That's the kind of country we are, we wait for facts like logical human beings do, unlike those savage nations who worship God with weird names written in squiggly script and where men wear robes like women do after they get out of a bath. They don't wait for facts. We wait for facts. Because we're fact-waiting Americans, goddammit. One skin, one color, one blood, one language, one flag. Goddammit.

*bangs patriotic fist on craft-built wooden desk*

Whoa...I was getting a lil' het up there, weren't I. Heh heh. Must be the summer heat on a beautiful sunny day living in God's grace under our great American blue skies gettin' to me. Heh. Prolly should go hydrate my palate with a cool glass of lemonade or something.

But yeah, I agree, we have to wait for facts.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Yes, we have to wait for facts. This.

While presuming and hoping that Philando did something wrong and assuming something in his life choices or reaching for something in his assumed character scrutiny makes him deserving of an outright extrajudicial execution, caught on video. It's part of our freedoms to do this sort of thing, character assassinations on groups of people we don't respect, disdain or have deep-rooted contempt towards. Also it's fun and ridiculously easy to do in our magical internet forum age.

But yes, we have to wait for facts. We absolutely have to wait for facts. True patriotic red-blooded Americans would wait for facts instead of casting 'spersions and stuff like that. That's the kind of country we are, we wait for facts like logical human beings do, unlike those savage nations who worship God with weird names written in squiggly script and where men wear robes like women do after they get out of a bath. They don't wait for facts. We wait for facts. Because we're fact-waiting Americans, goddammit. One skin, one color, one blood, one language, one flag. Goddammit.

*bangs patriotic fist on craft-built wooden desk*

Whoa...I was getting a lil' het up there, weren't I. Heh heh. Must be the summer heat on a beautiful sunny day living in God's grace under our great American blue skies gettin' to me. Heh. Prolly should go hydrate my palate with a cool glass of lemonade or something.

But yeah, I agree, we have to wait for facts.

It's kind of telling that Wingnut Nation here had to dig VERY deep into the conservative fever swamp to obtain their precious confirmation bias.

Their usual suspects (Murican Thinker, NRO Online, Breitbart) weren't coming up with what they badly wanted to believe, so they had to go deeper to sites such as "The Conservative Treehouse" and known fabricator "Mad World News" for "facts" they could hide behind.

Remember!
They didn't say it!
They didn't say they agreed with it!
They were just......passing it along!

 

[sr71plt]

I see there was no response to my asking the likelihood that Castile would have been shot dead if he hadn't been carrying a gun at all, whether or not he had a license to carry. Might be something for those insisting the second amendment gives them the right to appear threatening to others and to make them extra nervous to have an "is worth it?" contemplation about. What are the chances that Castile would have been shot to death in his car if he hadn't been carrying a gun at all?

 

[phrodeau]

"Buddy, I don't know what to do. Sergeant put me on the schedule next week, but I'm supposed to go to my cousin's wedding."

"You need to go over the Sarge's head, like get Administrative Leave or something like that."

"Well, I know one good way to get Administrative Leave, and it just might work on the car that just passed us. Geronimo!"

 

[Sean Renaud]

The chances of him being shot would be considerably lower. Not zero mind you but a lot lower, I don't think anybody is disputing that.

 

[sr71plt]

The chances of him being shot would be considerably lower. Not zero mind you but a lot lower, I don't think anybody is disputing that.

Considerably lower down to about zero, don't you think?

Then continue down that line. Was Castile having a gun part of the problem--and, given the poisonous atmosphere created by those wanting to assert their rights to open carry--and thus being considered trigger-happy selfish crazies by most of the rest of us--part of the reason he's dead? It doesn't take a genius to follow that route to cause and effect reality.

It's pretty much the same as responding "what do you expect?" to those carrying a rifle into a grocery store just because the law says they can and then finding the store surrounded by trigger-happy cops when they walk out.

Sometimes asserting rights you think you have (even if the Supreme Court agrees with you by misreading the Constitution along with you and ignoring the rights of others you intimidate by carrying) is going to get you killed. Probably more often than you'd ever be in a position to be a help to yourself or anyone else because you carry a gun.

Castile asserted his right to carry a gun. He's dead. But it would be his right to have it put in his coffin with him.

Chances are quite good that the nervous cop overreacted. But chances are really, really good that because Castile carried a gun and conditions in the country are what they are, the lives of the cop and his family are totally screwed now as well--because Castile was carrying a gun.

The biggest factor in this incident, I believe, is that Castile was carrying a gun--and he wasn't out shooting a rabbit for dinner. The NRA and friends have some waking up to do about this.

 

[eyerami]

The NRA and friends have some waking up to do about this.

Your actual relevance to "waking up" anyone, wannabe, is exactly proportional to you impressing anyone with yet another of your self-reveiws on how valuable you consider yourself to literotica.com.

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[RobDownSouth]

Cute. Irrelevant, but cute.

He seems to be regressing back to infantile behavior more and more lately.

http://i1239.photobucket.com/albums/ff502/Soonyigump/Poor%20Que_zpsbkilexja.jpg

 

[Sean Renaud]

Considerably lower down to about zero, don't you think?

Then continue down that line. Was Castile having a gun part of the problem--and, given the poisonous atmosphere created by those wanting to assert their rights to open carry--and thus being considered trigger-happy selfish crazies by most of the rest of us--part of the reason he's dead? It doesn't take a genius to follow that route to cause and effect reality.

It's pretty much the same as responding "what do you expect?" to those carrying a rifle into a grocery store just because the law says they can and then finding the store surrounded by trigger-happy cops when they walk out.

Sometimes asserting rights you think you have (even if the Supreme Court agrees with you by misreading the Constitution along with you and ignoring the rights of others you intimidate by carrying) is going to get you killed. Probably more often than you'd ever be in a position to be a help to yourself or anyone else because you carry a gun.

Castile asserted his right to carry a gun. He's dead. But it would be his right to have it put in his coffin with him.

Chances are quite good that the nervous cop overreacted. But chances are really, really good that because Castile carried a gun and conditions in the country are what they are, the lives of the cop and his family are totally screwed now as well--because Castile was carrying a gun.

The biggest factor in this incident, I believe, is that Castile was carrying a gun--and he wasn't out shooting a rabbit for dinner. The NRA and friends have some waking up to do about this.

I don't think it's about zero. There is video of a man who the police told to get his wallet being shot (he survived) so no. I think reaching for anything, even under instruction from law enforcement can get you shot. For the moment I'm not making a judgement call. They could really think you are a threat or make a mistake or genuinely looking for an excuse. No, I don't think it's zero. Unless we're using genuine statistics in which case you chances are pretty close to zero even with a gun.

I agree with your down stream thinking. Except that officer will get off, he likely won't even lose his job.

 

[richard_daily]

Considerably lower down to about zero, don't you think?

Then continue down that line. Was Castile having a gun part of the problem--and, given the poisonous atmosphere created by those wanting to assert their rights to open carry--and thus being considered trigger-happy selfish crazies by most of the rest of us--part of the reason he's dead? It doesn't take a genius to follow that route to cause and effect reality.

It's pretty much the same as responding "what do you expect?" to those carrying a rifle into a grocery store just because the law says they can and then finding the store surrounded by trigger-happy cops when they walk out.

Sometimes asserting rights you think you have (even if the Supreme Court agrees with you by misreading the Constitution along with you and ignoring the rights of others you intimidate by carrying) is going to get you killed. Probably more often than you'd ever be in a position to be a help to yourself or anyone else because you carry a gun.

Castile asserted his right to carry a gun. He's dead. But it would be his right to have it put in his coffin with him.

Chances are quite good that the nervous cop overreacted. But chances are really, really good that because Castile carried a gun and conditions in the country are what they are, the lives of the cop and his family are totally screwed now as well--because Castile was carrying a gun.

The biggest factor in this incident, I believe, is that Castile was carrying a gun--and he wasn't out shooting a rabbit for dinner. The NRA and friends have some waking up to do about this.

The "waking up" that the NRA has to do about this case, is to come out with a strong statement in support of law-abiding gun owners. In this case, they've taken the silent approach, and IMHO, that leads me to think that they don't want to piss off their racist base, much like any time a Republican says anything against any authority figure, the racist base gets their panties in a bunch.

We have a right to bear arms. It's the 2nd amendment. Not the 7th, not the 9th, the 2nd.

Why do you think it was so important that only the right to free speech and expression was listed before it?

I get it, you're scared of guns. That's fine. You don't need to own one, and chances are 999,999 to 1 that you can avoid them your entire life if you so choose. I don't particularly like sports. It's pretty easy to never have to go to a baseball game, simply by avoiding it.

You could easily do the same. If you choose not to, then you will get comments that call out your ignorance on the topic.

Your call.

 

[Sean Renaud]

The "waking up" that the NRA has to do about this case, is to come out with a strong statement in support of law-abiding gun owners. In this case, they've taken the silent approach, and IMHO, that leads me to think that they don't want to piss off their racist base, much like any time a Republican says anything against any authority figure, the racist base gets their panties in a bunch.

We have a right to bear arms. It's the 2nd amendment. Not the 7th, not the 9th, the 2nd.

Why do you think it was so important that only the right to free speech and expression was listed before it?

I get it, you're scared of guns. That's fine. You don't need to own one, and chances are 999,999 to 1 that you can avoid them your entire life if you so choose. I don't particularly like sports. It's pretty easy to never have to go to a baseball game, simply by avoiding it.

You could easily do the same. If you choose not to, then you will get comments that call out your ignorance on the topic.

Your call.

Really absolutely nothing. I think that was the order they wrote them down in and that giving it any further thought is an experiment in lunacy.

I don't have the option to not go near guns so that's not a great analogy.

 

[richard_daily]

Really absolutely nothing. I think that was the order they wrote them down in and that giving it any further thought is an experiment in lunacy.

I don't have the option to not go near guns so that's not a great analogy.

I don't think it was an accident, or random at all.

What line of work are you in that you don't have the option to not go near guns? Cop? Trained Assassin? Professional Call of Duty player?

 

[Sean Renaud]

I don't think it was an accident, or random at all.

What line of work are you in that you don't have the option to not go near guns? Cop? Trained Assassin? Professional Call of Duty player?

I do, and unless someone has a time machine there isn't much point in debating it.

I live in America. The police here are armed. Any random person might be armed and legally so. Though I was a Marine (and an armorer at that) and have been a security guard before. So there is that if it's actually important to your plot.

And California is a strict state. I could easily live in a state with open carry.

 

[richard_daily]

I do, and unless someone has a time machine there isn't much point in debating it.

I live in America. The police here are armed. Any random person might be armed and legally so. Though I was a Marine (and an armorer at that) and have been a security guard before. So there is that if it's actually important to your plot.

And California is a strict state. I could easily live in a state with open carry.

You could always stay around gun free zones. That would limit your exposure to firearms... You wouldn't want to get lead poisoning after all.

Or, you could move to a "safer" country, where nothing will happen to you, just like nothing has happened to you here. It might take a bit of effort on your part though.

Me, I'm not afraid of life, or afraid of lawfully armed citizens. I go about my business and try to treat people on the street with respect and dignity. I haven't gotten into a fight in over a decade, I don't have road rage, and I have more street smarts than the average person.

 

[Conager]

Considerably lower down to about zero, don't you think?

Then continue down that line. Was Castile having a gun part of the problem--and, given the poisonous atmosphere created by those wanting to assert their rights to open carry--and thus being considered trigger-happy selfish crazies by most of the rest of us--part of the reason he's dead? It doesn't take a genius to follow that route to cause and effect reality.

It's pretty much the same as responding "what do you expect?" to those carrying a rifle into a grocery store just because the law says they can and then finding the store surrounded by trigger-happy cops when they walk out.

Sometimes asserting rights you think you have (even if the Supreme Court agrees with you by misreading the Constitution along with you and ignoring the rights of others you intimidate by carrying) is going to get you killed. Probably more often than you'd ever be in a position to be a help to yourself or anyone else because you carry a gun.

Castile asserted his right to carry a gun. He's dead. But it would be his right to have it put in his coffin with him.

Chances are quite good that the nervous cop overreacted. But chances are really, really good that because Castile carried a gun and conditions in the country are what they are, the lives of the cop and his family are totally screwed now as well--because Castile was carrying a gun.

The biggest factor in this incident, I believe, is that Castile was carrying a gun--and he wasn't out shooting a rabbit for dinner. The NRA and friends have some waking up to do about this.

I don't think I've ever seen one skillfully embroider with bullshit into a post as well as you just did there.

My favorite constitutional right that you identify is the right to not feel intimidated. Really?? So I guess men shouldn't exist. Tall people shouldn't exist. Muscular people shouldn't exist. Groups of people shouldn't be allowed to assemble if they tend to intimidate someone.

Just out of idle curiosity how did you feel about the Justice Department's refusal to even consider a case against black panthers for voter intimidation? Larger men, wielding clubs in a threatening manner and making threatening statement for the express purpose of intimidating white people from voting in that precinct. Acceptable or not?