EU vote tomorrow. the most important day in the history of England?

[dolf]

conversations with brexit voters today...

them: I remember what it was like before and I want it to be like that again!

me: we have a bastard tory party and a mostly bastard tory labour party. do you really think that if they have extra billions they'll spend it on us? no, they'll carry on screwing over us, the nhs, the schools, and spending the extra on subsidising the already rich. nothing will improve for us because the same bastards are still in charge.

them: oh...

 

[dolf]

his own reaction within hours of the result? and before any comment from the bank of England? simple, shit himself and walkaway from the fight he had just started.

he lost the bet, so he had to quit.

boris was undecided, on the fence until his meeting with dave, after which he was suddenly 110% leave. and now he's fave to be the next pm.

it was a posh boy bet, and the winner gets the country.

 

[Sean]

he lost the bet, so he had to quit.

boris was undecided, on the fence until his meeting with dave, after which he was suddenly 110% leave. and now he's fave to be the next pm.

it was a posh boy bet, and the winner gets the country.

I'm not so sure about Boris getting the nod. The Tories are vindictive bastards when someone stabs one of their own. Look what happened after Thatcher, Heseltine got fucked by the party and Major got the job. I have a funny feeling the 1922 committee will kick Boris in the nads.

 

[dolf]

I'm not so sure about Boris getting the nod. The Tories are vindictive bastards when someone stabs one of their own. Look what happened after Thatcher, Heseltine got fucked by the party and Major got the job. I have a funny feeling the 1922 committee will kick Boris in the nads.

agreed. dave may well have the last laugh on that one.

bets on Jeremy not surviving this?

 

[Comshaw]

them: I remember what it was like before and I want it to be like that again!

me: we have a bastard tory party and a mostly bastard tory labour party. do you really think that if they have extra billions they'll spend it on us? no, they'll carry on screwing over us, the nhs, the schools, and spending the extra on subsidising the already rich. nothing will improve for us because the same bastards are still in charge.

them: oh...

Hmmmm...it looks like that's a theme that we share.



http://inequality.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/average-after-tax-income-by-income-group.png
Comshaw

 

[Sean]

agreed. dave may well have the last laugh on that one.

bets on Jeremy not surviving this?

The parliamentary party don't like Corbyn but the rank and file do. It would be fucking suicidal for Labour to get rid of the leader right now, but the Labour Party could teach lemmings.

 

[dolf]

Hmmmm...it looks like that's a theme that we share.



http://inequality.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/average-after-tax-income-by-income-group.png
Comshaw

depressing.

The parliamentary party don't like Corbyn but the rank and file do. It would be fucking suicidal for Labour to get rid of the leader right now, but the Labour Party could teach lemmings.

they hate him.
and... I like his policies, I think he has integrity, but I think he's lacking the grit it takes to lead. his ''it's shit but it beats the alternative.'' stance on the eu drove it home. absolute honesty isn't the best policy sometimes. he failed his first big test.

 

[Beco]

I guess we are all waiting for big bad Hillary to make a statement on this....what she put out today was just worthless.....god save us if she wins the Presidency

 

[Beco]

EU officials are now eager to be rid of GB, and they don't want to wait until October.

Oh sure....

 

[dolf]

Oh sure....

truth. they have a point too. uncertainty is going to fuck with the markets. the sooner we're out, the sooner they can regain stability. the euro sank today.

 

[Beco]

truth. they have a point too. uncertainty is going to fuck with the markets. the sooner we're out, the sooner they can regain stability. the euro sank today.

they voted for security over the economy, thats pretty serious....our economy sucks as well, back to gold stocks I guess.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

scotland will go independant.

And go back to the EU.

 

[Stacysmith287]

Hi

I'm from the north east which for years was a labour stronghold. There was a overwhelming out vote in our area. Corbyns remain in was never going to happen here.we are he's or labours "safe" bets. Not any more. He should go. The bread and butter of this country have had enough. If we fuck it up at least we'll fuck it up ourselves and not a non elected parliament hundreds of miles away. Power to the working class of this country.

 

[Sean]

If we fuck it up at least we'll fuck it up ourselves and not a non elected parliament hundreds of miles away. Power to the working class of this country.

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2013/08/30/article-2407406-1B8A4305000005DC-25_634x489.jpg

 

[Stacysmith287]

Hi

Are they Newcastles signings for next season lol

 

[dolf]

Power to the working class of this country.

Ahahahahaha! Bless your delusional heart.

 

[hashtag45]

I'm from the north east which for years was a labour stronghold. There was a overwhelming out vote in our area. Corbyns remain in was never going to happen here.we are he's or labours "safe" bets. Not any more. He should go. The bread and butter of this country have had enough. If we fuck it up at least we'll fuck it up ourselves and not a non elected parliament hundreds of miles away. Power to the working class of this country.

Would you mind ellaborating more on that?

I would be interested in hearing more from you, dolf and ogg - your opinions as to why folks voted for "We want out of the Eu".

 

[oggbashan]

EU officials are now eager to be rid of GB, and they don't want to wait until October.

Tough. They have to wait until the UK invokes article 50.

David Cameron won't do that. Any subsequent Prime Minister won't do that until they have an idea of what the consequences will be - because once Article 50 is invoked the maximum time for negotiations is two years.

It could be extended beyond two years if ALL the remaining EU countries agree that it should. Getting that agreement for an extension? Pigs might fly.

So the UK should wait to invoke article 50 when it knows what deals are possible, and NOT before.

EU officials will now have to listen to the UK on the timing, not tell the UK what must be done.

 

[oggbashan]

Would you mind ellaborating more on that?

I would be interested in hearing more from you, dolf and ogg - your opinions as to why folks voted for "We want out of the Eu".

One feature of the referendum has been that areas that traditionally vote Labour (roughly equals Democrat in US terms) have not followed the Labour Party's policy which was for Remain.

Labour heartlands were the old industrial areas of the UK such as Scotland's steel and shipbuilding; Wales coal mining and steel; NE England mining and steel. All those areas have suffered from job losses in the traditional industries but until recently could still be relied upon to vote Labour.

The rise of the Scottish Nationalist Party in Scotland and Plaid Cymru in Wales has been at the expense of Labour politicians. Now English areas have rejected a significant Labour policy. That should indicate that Labour has misunderstood, or has not listened to, the concerns of the people who usually vote for it.

BUT - and it is a big BUT - the reasons for voting either for Leave or for Remain are extremely complex and confusing. What is certain is that (except for Nicola Sturgeon in Scotland) most UK politicians misread the mood of the country. Labour and Conservative Remain campaigners got it wrong.

What it means? Fuck knows!

 

[hashtag45]

One feature of the referendum has been that areas that traditionally vote Labour (roughly equals Democrat in US terms) have not followed the Labour Party's policy which was for Remain.

Labour heartlands were the old industrial areas of the UK such as Scotland's steel and shipbuilding; Wales coal mining and steel; NE England mining and steel. All those areas have suffered from job losses in the traditional industries but until recently could still be relied upon to vote Labour.

The rise of the Scottish Nationalist Party in Scotland and Plaid Cymru in Wales has been at the expense of Labour politicians. Now English areas have rejected a significant Labour policy. That should indicate that Labour has misunderstood, or has not listened to, the concerns of the people who usually vote for it.

BUT - and it is a big BUT -
1.the reasons for voting either for Leave or for Remain are extremely complex and confusing.

2.What is certain is that (except for Nicola Sturgeon in Scotland) most UK politicians misread the mood of the country.
Labour and Conservative Remain campaigners got it wrong.

What it means? Fuck knows!

Thanks.

2.Personally, I wasn't surprised by the results. (UK's decision to leave the Eu)
Several of the Brittish immigrants that I came across (who were anything But xenophobes or racists) told me about some of the changes -not for the best- happening in the UK over the last few years, which led to their decision to migrate. And there's been an exponential increase in the no. of brittish immigrants, over the last few years.


1.Indeed, it's all so confusing for those who grew up (or thought they did) in a totally different Europe. Particularly with all the current massmedia and propaganda warfare, and the entire massmedia polarization on this issue and the mind-boggling contradictory things that one reads online.

Also: in theory, the idea of a Eu is a great one, and many people were and continue to be into it.
In saying that (and I'm having in mind some of the current negative outcomes): It's difficult to tease out

- which measures will benefit the normal folks Vs. which measures will benefit strictly the Elites, 10 years from now.
- which measures were intentionally designed (by Elites) with the current outcome in mind, Vs. which ones were well intended yet poorly conceived experiments.

 

[THECPKID]

This looks good for Donald J Trump

 

[doubleover]

You brits are funny when you get all pissy.

 

[pointless]

This looks good for Donald J Trump

yes, i'm sure he's got the british vote locked down now.


you fucking moron.

 

[Fata Morgana]

yes, i'm sure he's got the british vote locked down now.


you fucking moron.

Hahaha.

 

[BaritoneTele]

2.Personally, I wasn't surprised by the results. (UK's decision to leave the Eu)

I was, I didn't think the UK had the spine to stand on their own.