Brexit

The referendum has caused deep divisions in the UK. The language of the debates has been appallingly bad.

People had to make a choice and whichever way they voted, they should not be abused any more than they have been already.

Immigration was an issue. Even the leaders of the Leave campaign said that they were NOT against immigration. They just wanted the UK to be able to control it and the EU Treaty did not allow the UK to have any control over free movement of any EU citizens.

Refugees were a red herring. The UK hasn't and wouldn't take significant numbers of refugees whether in or out of the EU.

Turkey wasn't a scare story. Negotiations for Turkish citizens to have free movement withing the EU are due to start next week. Yesterday President Erdogan of Turkey was complaining that the EU had already agreed free access to Turkish citizens and should have allowed them in by now.

Romania has been shown to be an easy route for anyone to become an EU citizen with cheap forged documentation. Once a person has a full EU passport, wherever issued, they can travel freely throughout the whole EU, including the UK.

Nothing will change immediately. It will take years to sort out what happens after the vote.
 
One of the interesting conclusions of the voting patterns is that the Labour Party drastically underestimated the distaste of many of its core voters for Europe.

For years almost all Labour MPs have been solidly for the EU as the defender of workers' rights. Now their supporters have given Labour a real problem. Opposition to the EU was not confined to UKIP and the Euro-sceptics in the Conservative Party.

The reasons for voting Remain or Leave were complex and individual. Locally several people voted Leave because the establishment was preaching that Remain was the only option, and that a vote for Leave would bring disaster.

Effectively, they voted Leave to stick two fingers in the air (US -Give the finger to) to David Cameron, Jeremy Corbyn and all the economists warning that the sky would fall.

I see the vote as a stick in the eye (or up the ass) of the career politicians of both sides of the aisle. The politicians that no longer go before the people and make a case, but go before the people and lecture,

As you point out, the reasons were varied and individual but I think that in the end the vote was a vote of 'no-confidence' in the established political class.

Ishmael
 
The referendum has caused deep divisions in the UK. The language of the debates has been appallingly bad.

People had to make a choice and whichever way they voted, they should not be abused any more than they have been already.

Immigration was an issue. Even the leaders of the Leave campaign said that they were NOT against immigration. They just wanted the UK to be able to control it and the EU Treaty did not allow the UK to have any control over free movement of any EU citizens.

Refugees were a red herring. The UK hasn't and wouldn't take significant numbers of refugees whether in or out of the EU.

Turkey wasn't a scare story. Negotiations for Turkish citizens to have free movement withing the EU are due to start next week. Yesterday President Erdogan of Turkey was complaining that the EU had already agreed free access to Turkish citizens and should have allowed them in by now.

Romania has been shown to be an easy route for anyone to become an EU citizen with cheap forged documentation. Once a person has a full EU passport, wherever issued, they can travel freely throughout the whole EU, including the UK.

Nothing will change immediately. It will take years to sort out what happens after the vote.
stop

YOU called the LEAVE people RACIST and HATERS
 
I see the vote as a stick in the eye (or up the ass) of the career politicians of both sides of the aisle. The politicians that no longer go before the people and make a case, but go before the people and lecture,

As you point out, the reasons were varied and individual but I think that in the end the vote was a vote of 'no-confidence' in the established political class.

Ishmael

Apart from all those career politicians in the Leave campaign, obviously.
 
The referendum has caused deep divisions in the UK. The language of the debates has been appallingly bad.

People had to make a choice and whichever way they voted, they should not be abused any more than they have been already.

Immigration was an issue. Even the leaders of the Leave campaign said that they were NOT against immigration. They just wanted the UK to be able to control it and the EU Treaty did not allow the UK to have any control over free movement of any EU citizens.

Refugees were a red herring. The UK hasn't and wouldn't take significant numbers of refugees whether in or out of the EU.

Turkey wasn't a scare story. Negotiations for Turkish citizens to have free movement withing the EU are due to start next week. Yesterday President Erdogan of Turkey was complaining that the EU had already agreed free access to Turkish citizens and should have allowed them in by now.

Romania has been shown to be an easy route for anyone to become an EU citizen with cheap forged documentation. Once a person has a full EU passport, wherever issued, they can travel freely throughout the whole EU, including the UK.

Nothing will change immediately. It will take years to sort out what happens after the vote.
Intriguing piece of news, and such a historical event…
I only started to browse through the threads but such interesting takes on it from individual posters, already.

With the risk of sounding a bit… (politics are not my forte) it would be interesting if someone explained a bit more how this might impact the general move towards globalization /NWO. On a more global level, not restricted to Europe.
Thanks
 
Intriguing piece of news, and such a historical event…
I only started to browse through the threads but such interesting takes on it from individual posters, already.

With the risk of sounding a bit… (politics are not my forte) it would be interesting if someone explained a bit more how this might impact the general move towards globalization /NWO. On a more global level, not restricted to Europe.
Thanks

I'm not sure that it will have a huge affect on globalization--perhaps to slow it down in the short term, but I think globalization is a more-or-less unstoppable force at this time. Could you clarify a bit what you mean??
 
NBC FREAK-OUT: BREXIT = ‘FEAR, XENOPHOBIA, RACISM,’ ‘THREATENS WESTERN CIVILIZATION:’

Appearing on NBC’s Today, analyst and Daily Beast editor Christopher Dickey launched into a tirade against Britain’s vote to leave the European Union: “…they claim it says, right off the bat, is that they were tired of all the bureaucracy of the European Union, they didn’t want all the constraints, they want their sovereignty. But what this was really about is fear, xenophobia, in some cases, certainly racism.”
 
SHUT UP, RACIST, VOX EXPLAINED: Brexit isn’t about economics. It’s about xenophobia.

Isn’t it always?
 
OGG, its YOUR "people" that are INTENT on destroying yourselves

DO IT

DONT DRAG US WITH YOU
 
Apart from all those career politicians in the Leave campaign, obviously.

Not to mention that all those career politicians will be just fine. Cameron lost a little prestige, he ain't gonna starve. Protest votes don't screw politicians, they screw nations.
 
Like someone said, "The Past Voted Against The Future"
...

Kids? What do they know?

The older generations remember the lies we have been told by European unelected officials for decades.

But the decision either way was difficult. You can know and love European countries, European culture, visit Europe frequently, have visitors from other European countries and yet be unsure about the EU's closer union project.

The EU hasn't produced audited accounts for years. The European parliament can be outvoted by unelected officials so is NOT democratic. The EU couldn't control its external borders.

But UK people can feel European without accepting the EU AS IT IS. And what we were offered was the EU remaining AS IT IS with no change except ever closer union and more countries joining.
 
NATIONALIST is the word of the day, but it means FASCIST. Europe is headed Fascist. It must.

Ideological socialist regimes always become fascist because fascists are pragmatic, nationalist, socialists. Theyre socialists with priorities, and borders, and morals. Fascists take care of their own, socialists cant take care of anyone.
 
oggbashan;78384028 But UK people can feel European without accepting the EU AS IT IS. And what we were offered was the EU remaining AS IT IS with no change except ever closer union and more countries joining.[/QUOTE said:
dressed as henry the eigth what the fuck do you know?

whats with all the Abbrevatiations?

so is the world now more secure? has Boris Johnson now really got what he wanted? (but didnt realise what it actually meant?)

is the future, geo political or financial now more secure?

will VAT now be scrapped?

would a bullet in farrages head be wasted?

are people so fucking stupid to believe in brexit made up bullshit figures delivered by mr farage (see previous question).

can farage be deported? could he take boris with him so that boris can escape his worst nightmare.

can cameroon be executed for stupidity / cowardice?

how does Mr Putin feel tonight?

is it bedtime yet?

was this just a nightmare?
 
NATIONALIST is the word of the day, but it means FASCIST. Europe is headed Fascist. It must.

Ideological socialist regimes always become fascist because fascists are pragmatic, nationalist, socialists. Theyre socialists with priorities, and borders, and morals. Fascists take care of their own, socialists cant take care of anyone.

The Nazis were fascists. How'd ya dig them morals, big boy?
 
are people so fucking stupid to believe in brexit made up bullshit figures delivered by mr farage (see previous question).

All the figures from both sides of the debate were manufactured.

Some of the worst fear mongering and outright lying I saw came directly from Cameron and Osbourne.

A lot of people on the left who have no time for Farage voted to leave.
 
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