EU vote tomorrow. the most important day in the history of England?

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[phrodeau]

and the pound falls further....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XK9doTm8CH8

 

[butters]

ooooohhhhh boy

as i feared

the political heads have their work cut out now to minimise the damage

the ftse down 500 points within minutes of opening

the ftse 250 down 12.5%

 

[butters]

is cameron about to resign? is boris fluffing his hair ready to take up the coveted office?

 

[butters]

cameron says new primeminister should be in place by october, and it'll be the new prime minister who negotiates the divorce from europe. he'll stay in place to steady the ship till then but he is going. actually, that was the best, most dignified speech 've ever seen him deliver. he actually sounded like a politician.

 

[Conager]

If the UK was to assert their retained sovereignty and rights to self-determination as they did, much better sooner than later. By later, there would have been an Abraham Lincoln to insist that the union was indivisible and enforce it with boots on the ground.

Any agreement is voidable by any of the parties that formed the agreement. The hard part, as Butters points out, is what the cost of voiding the agreement should be.

 

[Conager]

cameron says new primeminister should be in place by october, and it'll be the new prime minister who negotiates the divorce from europe. he'll stay in place to steady the ship till then but he is going. actually, that was the best, most dignified speech 've ever seen him deliver. he actually sounded like a politician.

I'm curious if this is something that is an americanism versus English or whether perhaps you meant the word Statesman rather than politician?

Politician and dignified are almost never put in the same sentence in America.

I think politician here is almost a universal pejorative.

 

[butters]

If the UK was to assert their retained sovereignty and rights to self-determination as they did, much better sooner than later. By later, there would have been an Abraham Lincoln to insist that the union was indivisible and enforce it with boots on the ground.

Any agreement is voidable by any of the parties that formed the agreement. The hard part, as Butters points out, is what the cost of voiding the agreement should be.

scotland sees itself as wanting to remain in europe so this may spur a new referendum there for independence, boris (i'm pretty sure) will become PM, and (of course) we'll all survive but it's going to take many many years for british industry to find its footing strongly enough to be able to compete - so much has been sold off, run down... i wish we'd been in a better position to go forward economically.

do you think this result is telling for the likelihood of a trump win?

 

[butters]

I'm curious if this is something that is an americanism versus English or whether perhaps you meant the word Statesman rather than politician?

Politician and dignified are almost never put in the same sentence in America.

I think politician here is almost a universal pejorative.

statesman isn't a word commonly used here, but i see what you mean; there's a definite slide towards the american perception of politicians, but, for now and in circumstances like this, we kind of expect some dignity from our politicians. oh well, now they get to earn their wages as they struggle with this fallout.

norman tebbt's trotting out that 'what's going to change? are the french going to stop buying x/y/z from us? are the blah blah blah??? no, of course not' whilst conveniently neglecting to mention the differences in prices this result will bring to the table.

 

[butters]

when all's said and done, i believe wholeheartedly in democracy as a tool of balance that prevents (or corrects) the worst kinds of extremism on either side.

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[geronimo_appleby]

when all's said and done, i believe wholeheartedly in democracy as a tool of balance that prevents (or corrects) the worst kinds of extremism on either side.

'captain, you have control of the ship ... captain? cap--'

 

[butters]

bank of england's announcement about funds available to help where it's needed has helped calm fears and allowed the stock market to find a less drastic level than it dropped to on opening this morning.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

The low pound might be good for British tourism, it is incredibly expensive to holiday here, much more that holidaying in other places, even starting from here!

The jokes on social media have already started on how it's going to be be cheaper to fly to London from any point in the U.S. than it is to fly to Las Vegas.

Hell, if it's gonna be that mad cheap, might have to take advantage of it myself.

 

[butters]

g just wrote to his father saying he hoped US voted wisely.

If immigration IS significantly curtailed, a lot of British people will find they might have to work in jobs they do not like and consider too labour intensive. Agricultural picking etc. This might have a really positive impact on a proportion of our disengaged youth who go from not being really engaged in school to not being really engaged in employment. We might start rating our service sector better, on a par with how many European countries do.

U.K. Economic situation is not as good as it has been in sometimes, but, also, it is less horrendous In day to day than in much of living memory, of course there are horrific time bombs, the change in expectation of property and so on.. There are advantages to a weaker pound if we are to build an independent Britain, though it might not feel like it to a country used to cheap imports.

The recent merger of stock exchange with Berlin ( lse already owned Milan) cements a financial market tie with Europe for employment in this sector) and a hope might be to see what role we can fill now we cannot be the English speaking EU middle man for exEU markets. A trading fiscal opportunity for trade for example, might be something to consider, though it goes against our grain, and we almost certainly could not compete with existing markets for those, but it suggests the kind of thing we might consider. It's a huge market for us, and where a lot of related work in other strong industries for us is centred around too.

The low pound might be good for British tourism, it is incredibly expensive to holiday here, much more that holidaying in other places, even starting from here!

Let's hope, let's hope, and build into the success if we can. Even not liking the answer, democracy won, so we must put our efforts behind this for good outcome.

exactly despite the fact i'm moving to america, i still care what happens here because of family and friends.

'captain, you have control of the ship ... captain? cap--'

he has no control now - perhaps dragging the anchor will slow the ship enough to prevent it crashing on the rocks before boris takes over, as he will. it's also a fait accompli about saying 'what happens in the future will not be hung around MY neck - the new prime minister can deal with that shit'

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[La damnee elle la licorne]

 

[butters]

boris gets booed big time by crowds as he leaves his home this morning

 

[butters]

It doesn't matter if you leave, in fact, it's even more important in someways. You become a representative. This is why it's such a shame when people behave poorly as expatriate and refuse to learn a language or assimilate a cultural expectation outside their own home.

*nods*

just listening to the foreign minister and his comment stands for all the civil servants, i'm sure, who deal day in day out with the realities: ''we'll do our jobs like always''

 

[Hard_Rom]

Checked another forum I visit and two games. Who did vote to leave? Older non-internet users? They are all gutted. Unanimous amongst a Yorkshire game alliance. Hull as a port city will be hit hard I think.

Scottish nationalists will get a boost from this, I think.

A black day in UK and English history.

EU far from perfect. But what far reaching political entity is.

 

[butters]

putin must be rubbing his hands together over the prospect of a fracturing, vulnerable europe

 

[butters]

the european editor out in brussels is saying that the euro members are dealing with the shockwave and know they have to make britain pay in less-than-generous trade deals with it in order to send a message to other euro counries thinking about leaving: they have to see it'll cost their economies dearly to do so. to offer the uk favourable deals means other member states might see it as advantageous for them to go the same route.

 

[underguy1]

putin must be rubbing his hands together over the prospect of a fracturing, vulnerable europe

Why??

 

[Frizzle_Fry]

EU far from perfect. But what far reaching political entity is.

Might not be for much longer LOL

the european editor out in brussels is saying that the euro members are dealing with the shockwave and know they have to make britain pay in less-than-generous trade deals with it in order to send a message to other euro counries thinking about leaving: they have to see it'll cost their economies dearly to do so. to offer the uk favourable deals means other member states might see it as advantageous for them to go the same route.

That might work but it could just as easily blow up in their faces, they would be wise not to go off half cocked on a half cocked reactionary economic vengeance quest.

 

[underguy1]

Checked another forum I visit and two games. Who did vote to leave? Older non-internet users? They are all gutted. Unanimous amongst a Yorkshire game alliance. Hull as a port city will be hit hard I think.

Scottish nationalists will get a boost from this, I think.

A black day in UK and English history.

EU far from perfect. But what far reaching political entity is.

I'd say that a corporatist dictatorship that actively inflicts massive unnecessary suffering on its people is a long way from 'not perfect'.

It's a great day. A big poke in the eye for those puffed up neoliberal buffoons and lackeys of the USA that strut around Brussels and Frankfurt. And the City.