Radical Islam my asshole....

[SgtSpiderMan]

1. The 911 call where he stated he was doing it on behalf of Isis.
2. The fact Isis claimed responsibility.
3. The fact he traveled to Saudi Arabia twice in the last few years while making around $9-$10 an hour which is the going rate in Florida for an Armed security guard.
4. The fact he was a member of the Mosque run by ex con Robertson which was the same Mosque that the US suicide bomber in Syria was a member of.
5. The fact he was taking classes at said Mosque with ex con and extremist Robertson who called on US Muslims to attack gays during Ramadan.

But no reason to think this was anything other than a nutjob.

The FBI investigated him twice and determined both times he was not a member of any terrorist organizations.

I have read from several sources that he called 911 claiming to be doing it on behalf of ISIS but he wasn't very well going to call 911 and claim to be doing it because he couldn't handle his feelings.

I've read that he took his trip to Mecca like many Muslims do.

What else do you have?

 

[Ldy_Sea]

The FBI investigated him twice and determined both times he was not a member of any terrorist organizations.

I have read from several sources that he called 911 claiming to be doing it on behalf of ISIS but he wasn't very well going to call 911 and claim to be doing it because he couldn't handle his feelings.

I've read that he took his trip to Mecca like many Muslims do.

What else do you have?

Is that the same FBI that couldn't get prove John Gotti, or Al Capone, were criminals? The same FBI that can't prove or disprove criminal acts by Hilary despite years of investigations? The same FBI that had no idea about 9/11? The same FBI that still hasn't found Jimmy Hoffa? The same FBI that screwed up the raid in Waco?

Yeah that's a reliable agency.

So he made his pilgrimage to Mecca while making $10.00 an hour, twice. Seems legit.

He still is a member of a radical Mosque and a follower of a convicted felon and radical who called on Muslims to attack gays during Ramadan. The same mosque as the US suicide bomber in Syria.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

Is that the same FBI that couldn't get prove John Gotti, or Al Capone, were criminals? The same FBI that can't prove or disprove criminal acts by Hilary despite years of investigations? The same FBI that had no idea about 9/11? The same FBI that still hasn't found Jimmy Hoffa? The same FBI that screwed up the raid in Waco?

Yeah that's a reliable agency.

So he made his pilgrimage to Mecca while making $10.00 an hour, twice. Seems legit.

He still is a member of a radical Mosque and a follower of a convicted felon and radical who called on Muslims to attack gays during Ramadan. The same mosque as the US suicide bomber in Syria.

History shows Gotti and Capone were both convicted. I don't see that it's the FBI's job to disprove things about people. The FBI is still looking for Hoffa? That seems a poor choice of resources.

Did this radical keep mosque tell him to make several visits to a gay club and drink alcohol while he was there? That seems pretty radical.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

Did this radical keep mosque tell him to make several visits to a gay club and drink alcohol while he was there? That seems pretty radical.

Already answered. Read post #77 in this thread.

 

[Emerson40]

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The gun debate in America is fueled on all sides by fear. This, coupled with a culture and history shaped in part around guns, makes the likelihood of firearms being banned in the US an impossibility.

When Sandy Hook was not enough to bring about needed reforms to gun laws, all was lost. Apparently, dead children are bearable.

An adult can’t buy a chocolate Kinder Surprise Egg in the US, because they are banned, a potential choking hazard.

But an adult can just fill out and sign a form which permits them to purchase a rifle with a high capacity magazine, and ammo to take down a moose wearing kevlar pyjamas.


SMH.



'murica.

http://65.media.tumblr.com/e91efdc5c383438b11a6ac961c3c3c6c/tumblr_mnc07u82pG1qfhhego1_500.jpg

 

[Ldy_Sea]

An adult can’t buy a chocolate Kinder Surprise Egg in the US, because they are banned, a potential choking hazard.

Which anyone in the US who has heard of them thinks is ridiculous.

But an adult can just fill out and sign a form which permits them to purchase a rifle with a high capacity magazine, and ammo to take down a moose wearing kevlar pyjamas.

An AR-15 is too small a gun to take down a Deer or other large game. It is .223 caliber and most states require a larger caliber (.24 or greater) for hunting since a .223 round will not reliably kill large game.

Most hunters use a .308 or .30-06 round at a minimum.

BTW News reports are coming out that the shooter did not use an AR-15 but a much less well known weapon, a Sig Sauer MCX carbine.

 

[JohnnySavage]

Just to throw a wrench in: Muslim terrorists massacred civilians using guns in Paris (twice recently - at the Charlie Hebdo offices and at the Eagles of Death Metal show) - and France has very strict gun control laws.

Conversely - America has the highest gun ownership percentage in the world. If more guns were the answer, America would be the safest place on earth.

 

[Disgustipated]

I hear him singing the Eddie Murphy Classic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=07P538K83iU

Put a telephone in yer butt!
Put some Islam in yer butt!

 

[Disgustipated]

My work here is done. Welcome back to the GeeBee, Laurelle!

 

[Ishmael]

Conversely - America has the highest gun ownership percentage in the world. If more guns were the answer, America would be the safest place on earth.

Her point flew right over your pointed little head.

Ishmael

 

[RobDownSouth]

Every time I read this thread title, it reads like KS is asking for some kinky anal thing I've never heard of.

Speed reading condenses the thread title to R..am my asshole....

 

[lovecraft68]

Sometimes its as simple as a nut is just a damn nut, they don't need a cause to justify their craziness.

I'm on board with the idea he was so afraid he was 'secretly' gay that he wanted to prove he wasn't by killing gays.

So yeah, just a goddamn nut and not a religious nut.

But the second I heard it I admit my thoughts were okay, Christian loon or Muslim loon because factions of both have no tolerance for gays and there are crazies on both sides who would be willing to do this.

 

[MichaelinChina]

Conversely - America has the highest gun ownership percentage in the world. If more guns were the answer, America would be the safest place on earth.

China is pretty safe. Very, very low private gun ownership.
I know where I feel safest and it is certainly not the US of A. And it wasn't this latest unfortunate incident that made me think that way.

Today, I watched a squad of police riot officers practice in a public square. One guy pretended to be angry, throwing 'bricks' and bottles, even a meat cleaver, at the police shields. Several officers closed in, trying to get a U-shaped thing on a long pole around his waist from the back, while a similar one was used from the front. Another guy had one for his ankle. They all advanced and had him on the ground, pinned in moments.

No-one pulled any guns!

But of course, western police would have shot first and asked questions later.

 

[richard_daily]

Why can't both be true?

He was a Gay man struggling with his faith and trying not to be gay. He heard the call to action at his Mosque and targeted the gay club that he was known to frequent to kill those who befriended him.

Remember the Muslim couple in California who shot up their co workers at a baby shower. Everyone loved tham at work and they seemed to like everyone.

If you believe the news reports, which have probably been doctored to fit a specific narrative, then yes, it's pretty obvious that both are motivations for the killer.

He was likely a closeted-gay radical conservative Muslim.

 

[richard_daily]

Conversely - America has the highest gun ownership percentage in the world. If more guns were the answer, America would be the safest place on earth.

Uhh... It is one of the safest place on earth.

 

[MichaelinChina]

Uhh... It is one of the safest place on earth.

but not THE safest..one would have thought it might be.

 

[richard_daily]

http://66.media.tumblr.com/289d44332a358af9e39b23430da5e103/tumblr_o8pzffM21K1qzzmkno1_1280.png


The gun debate in America is fueled on all sides by fear. This, coupled with a culture and history shaped in part around guns, makes the likelihood of firearms being banned in the US an impossibility.

When Sandy Hook was not enough to bring about needed reforms to gun laws, all was lost. Apparently, dead children are bearable.

An adult can’t buy a chocolate Kinder Surprise Egg in the US, because they are banned, a potential choking hazard.

But an adult can just fill out and sign a form which permits them to purchase a rifle with a high capacity magazine, and ammo to take down a moose wearing kevlar pyjamas.


SMH.



'murica.

http://65.media.tumblr.com/e91efdc5c383438b11a6ac961c3c3c6c/tumblr_mnc07u82pG1qfhhego1_500.jpg

I notice that this conveniently leaves out "gun violence" committed by state agents, such as the Mai Lai massacre, in which US soldiers killed more people than all of these others atrocities you listed combined.

The military has guns, and they've killed a lot more people than civilian citizens have. Unless you're pushing to dis-arm the military and police, I'd like to keep my firearms, thanks.

 

[richard_daily]

but not THE safest..one would have thought it might be.

Well, we could put up security cameras in everyone's bedroom, have a police person on every corner, and track everyone with a microchip...

That would make things "the most" safe, but I'm not interested in living in that kind of country.

Saudi Arabia is safe, unless you're a woman, or an activist. It's not a place I have any interest in trying to be like.

Or, we could... stop getting embroiled in constant wars abroad, strengthen our economy, and our working class, and keep our noses out of other people's businesses, but the companies that own our politicians aren't interested in letting that happen, and we've allowed our anger to be steered towards "gun control" instead of looking at what the real root causes of our problems are.

Hilary Clinton loves that this happened. It allows her to speak to a narrative that her people understand.

Same with Donald Trump.

This tragedy it allows them both to fire up their base, for a "cause" that will do nothing to protect anyone.

There was already an assault weapons ban. Do you know the affect it had on crime?

None.

 

[RobDownSouth]

One colleague at the security contractor G4S, his most recent employer, remembered the son of Afghan immigrants as an angry, profane co-worker who used slurs and threatened violence.

Daniel Gilroy said Mateen started badgering him and sending dozens of text messages to him daily, and that he reported Mateen's behavior to his bosses.
"I kind of feel a little guilty that I didn't fight harder," Gilroy said. "If I didn't walk away and I fought, then maybe 50 people would still be alive today."

Gilroy told multiple news outlets that Mateen routinely used slurs for gay people, blacks, Jews and women.

"He talked about killing people all the time," Gilroy told The New York Times. Of the massacre, Gilroy said, "I saw it coming."

LINK

On a not-entirely-unrelated note, anyone heard from Vetteman lately?

 

[phrodeau]

Airfare from Florida to Mecca is under $1,000. It's a popular destination.

 

[Pookie]

I hate to say this, but I'm kinda with Killy on this.

My take is that he likely got pissed off when the target of his affection spurned him on one of his recent numerous visits that spanned over many years. So being the mentally unstable person prone to violence he had previously shown himself to be, he decided to go all jihadi on the whole club for his revenge. Go down in a blaze of glory for a "worthy cause". He likely saw it as a great epitaph compared to the alternative.

 

[chillywilly2]

You don't fucking get it. Britain, Canada, Australia and New Zeeland all similar countries to the US do not have anything close to the 10,00 gun deaths a year as in the US. Gun control works. If you let it. You have 10 times our population yet gun one another down at 20 times the rate. By population we have 1/2 the gun death rate you do. And if a source of illegal guns (the US) was eliminated we could have an even lower rate.

You allow AR guns to be owned by the public. Handguns are every where. Hate speech is equated with free speech. Why don't you all shut the fuck up with your hypocrisy and bemoaning the dead. You all share in the reasons those people died. Not just the killer himself. Every last American who supports the 2nd amendment bears some responsibility.

Get rid of your guns or shut the fuck up about mass killings. You want your guns? Then live with the thousands killed every year. And quit bitching.

Your house is burning down and you gave the arsonist the matches!

I can go in to Canadian Tire and buy 200 rounds right now and nobody is going to blink an eye.
When they ask me for my address I tell them I'm homeless because I don't have to give it to them and they say nothing.

Its the people, not the access to firearms

 

[Pookie]

To add to my first post:

Actually, considering he didn't proclaim his ISIS motivation until roughly 20 minutes after everything started, I suspect his original intent wasn't to take out the whole club, but a select group he had been involved with. Once that didn't work out and he ended up trapped, he just decided to take everyone out along with him.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

It's simply not mutually exclusive.

At its core Islam is homophobic, sexist, and racist.

Not in its extreme form, in its core form.

It becomes extreme when the followers act on these beliefs.

A Muslim that accepts gays, women as equals, other religions and races is a minority.

So of course a kid that is gay, growing up in a environment that is so hateful to gays is going to be mentally disturbed.

You can say the same thing of anyone capable of cutting someone's head off, buring a woman up to her neck and stoning her, and on and on and on....

While these are the acts of Islamic terriosts they are also mentally disturbed acts. This shit is simply against human nature.

 

[richard_daily]

A Muslim that accepts gays, women as equals, other religions and races is a minority.

So is a Christian.