Radical Islam my asshole....

[Ldy_Sea]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate#By_country

US 3.8
Canada 1.4
UK 1.0
Australia 1.0
New Zealand .9

More than twice the next similar country. More than 3x the others. Apparently guns are just your favourite way to murder one another at twice to three times the rate of allies and cousins.

At least the US is safer than Iran. Although Mozambique is safer.

The UK is about the size of Rhode Island with the population of Michigan. Which is why I compared Data from the UN, not Wikipedia which has been proven unreliable over and over again. I used the continent of Europe compared to the US. Similar size, similar population, more diverse than one country like the US.

Again if you eliminate the 4 cities I named above the US murder rate is 1.2 close to that of Australia and lower than in the UK. Those for cities have the STRICTEST GUN CONTROL LAWS IN THE COUNTRY! Do you understand, the cities with the strictest gun control laws have the highest murder rates. The cities with the laxest laws have the lowest murder rates.

Seems it's not guns, it's people.

 

[RobDownSouth]

<snip>
Again if you eliminate the 4 cities I named above the US murder rate is 1.2 close to that of Australia and lower than in the UK.<snip>

And if you take out the votes from #ThosePeople (Blacks, Hispanics and Single Women), then Romney actually WON the presidency back in 2012!

Avoid Inconvenient Facts!

Isn't cherry-picking data to meet a preconceived conclusion fun?

 

[Knot Again]

You are wrong. This is about radical Islam. Democrats refusal to admit it is going to get Trump elected. Mark my words.

even ExCuntClinton gets it now

she changed her tune, didya see?

 

[Hard_Rom]

The UK is about the size of Rhode Island with the population of Michigan. Which is why I compared Data from the UN, not Wikipedia which has been proven unreliable over and over again. I used the continent of Europe compared to the US. Similar size, similar population, more diverse than one country like the US.

Again if you eliminate the 4 cities I named above the US murder rate is 1.2 close to that of Australia and lower than in the UK. Those for cities have the STRICTEST GUN CONTROL LAWS IN THE COUNTRY! Do you understand, the cities with the strictest gun control laws have the highest murder rates. The cities with the laxest laws have the lowest murder rates.

Seems it's not guns, it's people.

So you want to cant the numbers in your favour by eliminating large cities? If my referenced countries did that then I think our rates would drop just as the US would. These are rates per 100k. Not total numbers. Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal are all comparable to large US metropolis. T.O. and Montreal are in the top 10 for NA cities by pop.

My referenced countries use English common law, speak the same language and have similar cultures.

You can fudge the numbers all you want to serve your purpose. Americans are killers, far in excess of their allies, friends, neighbours and cousins. Is it really the people? Are Americans a bunch of murderers worse than some 3rd world shitholes in Africa? Or is it the guns?

I prefer not to think 'that' low of Americans and blame the guns.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

So you want to cant the numbers in your favour by eliminating large cities? If my referenced countries did that then I think our rates would drop just as the US would. These are rates per 100k. Not total numbers. Toronto, Vancouver and Montreal are all comparable to large US metropolis. T.O. and Montreal are in the top 10 for NA cities by pop.

My referenced countries use English common law, speak the same language and have similar cultures.

You can fudge the numbers all you want to serve your purpose. Americans are killers, far in excess of their allies, friends, neighbours and cousins. Is it really the people? Are Americans a bunch of murderers worse than some 3rd world shitholes in Africa? Or is it the guns?

I prefer not to think 'that' low of Americans and blame the guns.

2.1 vs 3.8 yeah far in excess. 1.7 per 100K is a huge difference. That's .0017% difference.

I am not saying we should eliminate those cities from the US total. I am pointing out that

1 Gun Control Laws in the US do not deter crimes

2 The US is one of the safest countries in the world. even though around a third of our population owns at least one gun.

3 The US is Multicultural. All the counties you reference were settled/conquered by the British Empire. The US was settled by and is home to Brits, French, Spanish, Italians, Danish, Mexicans, Asians, Africans, and every other race on the planet. No one European Country has the diversity the US does.

Canada has about 30 million people, the US has about 300 Million. There are more Canadian Expats living in the US than live in Canada. Comparing such insolar societies to one as spreadout and diverse as the US is scientifically problematic.

So show me again how guns are causing a problem. More people are killed by hammers than by guns, yet no one calls for hammer control.

Did anyone try to ban machetes after that terrorist beheaded the solider in London?

 

[Hard_Rom]

2.1 vs 3.8 yeah far in excess. 1.7 per 100K is a huge difference. That's .0017% difference. *500 per year all causes in Canada, x10 to make up for low pop. is 5000, you kill 10,000 a year by guns alone 15000 by all causes*

I am not saying we should eliminate those cities from the US total. I am pointing out that

1 Gun Control Laws in the US do not deter crimes *they do in Can/UK/Aus/NZ, another example of American exceptionalism? your gun laws are flawed and too many loop holes*

2 The US is one of the safest countries in the world. even though around a third of our population owns at least one gun. *not as safe as Mozambique, and not in top 10 but Canada is, http://www.theweek.co.uk/64495/the-ten-safest-and-ten-most-dangerous-countries-in-the-world*

3 The US is Multicultural. All the counties you reference were settled/conquered by the British Empire. The US was settled by and is home to Brits, French, Spanish, Italians, Danish, Mexicans, Asians, Africans, and every other race on the planet. No one European Country has the diversity the US does. *Canada does, so does the UK, you keep wanting to add places like Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and Albania, I did not mention European countries, you did, I am keeping my reference to similar countries with same basic legal principles*

Canada has about 30 million people, the US has about 300 Million. There are more Canadian Expats living in the US than live in Canada. Comparing such insolar societies to one as spreadout and diverse as the US is scientifically problematic. *again numbers are per 100 thousand not total numbers which the US will lead in due to large pop. there are 820,00 Canucks in the US, 35 million at home*

So show me again how guns are causing a problem. More people are killed by hammers than by guns, yet no one calls for hammer control. *Hammers are useful tools. try build something with a gun, more people are killed by hammers than rifles or shotguns not handguns, handguns are US biggest killer,http://www.economicpolicyjournal.com/2012/12/how-people-are-murdered-in-united-states.html *

Did anyone try to ban machetes after that terrorist beheaded the solider in London?*you can kill someone with a two by four, should we ban house building lumber, get real*

So Americans are murderers? It's not their high gun count, it is the natural tendency of Americans to kill at a greater rate than their allies and neighbours? Maybe it's not the guns, maybe people do kill people, doesn't say much about Americans.

Less chance of being killed in Mozambique. Numbers and facts don't convince you how about a bit of shaming.

 

[Killswitch1]

And here we go.....Just like I said.



https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/report-orlando-nightclub-shooter-visited-222620444.html

The suspected shooter, 29-year-old Omar Mateen, may have also used several different gay dating apps, according to reports from MSNBC and the Los Angeles Times.

And a former classmate of Mateen's told The Palm Beach Post he believed Mateen was gay, and that Mateen once asked him out romantically.

Three additional witnesses confirmed that they had seen Mateen at the gay nightclub more than once before.

"Sometimes he would go over in the corner and sit and drink by himself, and other times he would get so drunk he was loud and belligerent," one witness, Ty Smith, told the Sentinel.

"We didn't really talk to him a lot," he added. "But I remember him saying things about his dad at times. He told us he had a wife and child."

Chris Callen, who performs at Pulse under the name Kristina McLaughlin, told The Canadian Press and CNN's Anderson Cooper that Mateen had been going to the bar one or twice a month "for at least three years."

/snip....more in the link

 

[phrodeau]

(edited)
So show me again how guns are causing a problem. More people are killed by hammers than by guns, yet no one calls for hammer control.

A lie spread by the NRA and Fox News.
Homicides in 2011 by:
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers) - 728
Rifles - 323
Shotguns - 356
Handguns - 6,220

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

 

[Hard_Rom]

A lie spread by the NRA and Fox News.
Homicides in 2011 by:
Blunt objects (clubs, hammers) - 728
Rifles - 323
Shotguns - 356
Handguns - 6,220

https://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/u...s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-8

Truths, facts numbers have no bearing with a fearful distrustful population living in fear of the boogeyman.

Beware the boogeyman!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgYhEsKurHk

An educated industrialized Germany legally elected Hitler in the face of fear. Maybe Trump does stand a chance after all.

 

[Libsam]

And if you take out the votes from #ThosePeople (Blacks, Hispanics and Single Women), then Romney actually WON the presidency back in 2012!

I wonder how low gun deaths would be in the US if Black and Hispanics were removed?

How many Blacks and Hispanics live in New Zealand?

 

[Hard_Rom]

I wonder how low gun deaths would be in the US if Black and Hispanics were removed?

How many Blacks and Hispanics live in New Zealand?

As a racist piece of shit you are confusing the poor and disenfranchised in American culture with race. Give everyone a decent job, place to live and the basic respect due all human beings (except Nazis. racists and KKK types) and they will commit far less crimes.

Say Hi to the other racist fucks on my iggy list.

 

[Libsam]

Oooo, pose some challenging questions and the echo chamber gets their feels hurt.

 

[GiaCat]

This dude was a putz. He had no more affiliation or devotion to isis than you do.

He went to that gay club and killed all those people because he worried he was gay and wanted to take it out on them. Blaming them for his unpure thoughts.

The isis deal was an afterthought and diversion.....

Isis has not affiliated themselves with this dude or made claims of involvement.

He was a closet gay dude and couldn't deal.

Period.

This is on the Internet, so it must be true...

 

[Ldy_Sea]

So Americans are murderers? It's not their high gun count, it is the natural tendency of Americans to kill at a greater rate than their allies and neighbours? Maybe it's not the guns, maybe people do kill people, doesn't say much about Americans.

Less chance of being killed in Mozambique. Numbers and facts don't convince you how about a bit of shaming.

Again Europe 2.1 mirders per 100,000 people. US 3.8 per 100,000 not a big difference.

Mozambique a third world country with a small spread out population of 25 million, in an area the size of Alaska and Texas combined. Texas has as many people as Mozambique. That's a fair comparison. How many Latinos, Asians, Europeans, live there? Yeah that's a fair comparison.

Not shamed at all. The US is responsible for every major advancement of the 20th centuury. Cars, radios, planes, tv's computers, telephone, cell phones, smart phones, tablets. Oh and we never had an enemy conquer part of our country like the Germans took over the Channel Islands. We never needed to be rescued from defeat either.

So Yeah umm try again.

 

[Hard_Rom]

Non-whites make up 15% of NZ's population. 28% in the US., 20% in Canada, 16% in UK

 

[Conager]

As a racist piece of shit you are confusing the poor and disenfranchised in American culture with race. Give everyone a decent job, place to live and the basic respect due all human beings (except Nazis. racists and KKK types) and they will commit far less crimes.

Say Hi to the other racist fucks on my iggy list.

So if we say moved the population of Detroit to Ontario and gave them Canadian benefits instead of American and let 'em know there are gun laws in Canada, the results would be different?

Murderers do not know they are "disenfranchised." They just know the other guy has it coming because of the drug or turf dispute.

Of course if you build them a "nice place to live" like Detroit once was I am certain they will treat those free accommodations with love and tender care.

 

[Conager]

Non-whites make up 15% of NZ's population. 28% in the US., 20% in Canada, 16% in UK

This is about culture not skin tone.

 

[Hard_Rom]

We never needed to be rescued from defeat either.

So Yeah umm try again.

You should read a history book. Without the fucking French you would still be a British country. The French saved your asses at Yorktown.

 

[RobDownSouth]

This is about culture not skin tone.

Post 62 says otherwise, queerbait.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

I know I will get slammed for this but here goes.

Blacks commit 68% of violent crimes in the US. Whites commit 7%. Blacks make up around 20% of the population, whites make up 70ish%.

However when income level is factored in, whites and blacks commit an equal number of crimes. More blacks than whites live in poverty so they commit more crimes. It's not about skin color, there is a correlation between being poor and committing crime. So skin color doesn't matter.

 

[phrodeau]

Rich people commit different types of crimes.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

You should read a history book. Without the fucking French you would still be a British country. The French saved your asses at Yorktown.

Because one battle makes a war. How many years were we kicking your ass before the French arrived? Lets see Lexington and Concord was 1775, Yorktown was 1781. That's 5-6 years that the "worlds mightiest empire" couldn't stop a bunch of Yankee Doodle Dandys. Soooo umm yeah the French were a big help. Oh and you had German Hussars and Scots and Irish troops too.

We had farmers and business men and servants beating the British Army.

 

[SgtSpiderMan]

You are only speaking on what you hope to be true; the reality is that you have no idea. . Dude was a loser, but without radical Islam this would not have happened. That we know. The only "hook" being presented is that he isn't a real Muslim and must be a self hating closeted homosexual. No one knows that

Sometimes our hopes are wrong. Open up your mind and wait for the facts. You know nothing and neither do I. Stop making a fool of yourself with ignorant, agenda-filled pronouncements.

I would love to see any of the proof that this guy was acting on behalf of radical Islam.

There is quite a lot of proof that this guy was turned on by other men and couldn't deal with that.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

1. The 911 call where he stated he was doing it on behalf of Isis.
2. The fact Isis claimed responsibility.
3. The fact he traveled to Saudi Arabia twice in the last few years while making around $9-$10 an hour which is the going rate in Florida for an Armed security guard.
4. The fact he was a member of the Mosque run by ex con Robertson which was the same Mosque that the US suicide bomber in Syria was a member of.
5. The fact he was taking classes at said Mosque with ex con and extremist Robertson who called on US Muslims to attack gays during Ramadan.

But no reason to think this was anything other than a nutjob.

 

[Ldy_Sea]

I would love to see any of the proof that this guy was acting on behalf of radical Islam.

There is quite a lot of proof that this guy was turned on by other men and couldn't deal with that.

Why can't both be true?

He was a Gay man struggling with his faith and trying not to be gay. He heard the call to action at his Mosque and targeted the gay club that he was known to frequent to kill those who befriended him.

Remember the Muslim couple in California who shot up their co workers at a baby shower. Everyone loved tham at work and they seemed to like everyone.