How to write No-Consent/reluctance story?

[Nezhul]

Ok, so my question is - what rules should I follow to write a No-Consent / reluctance category story and have it published (here)? I'm pretty sure there are some topics and themes that the site will not host, like rape, for instance?
What if I wanted to write a story about slave trading? With slaves being kidnapped/unwilling for obvious reasons? Do you think it could fly here, or should I just give up on it entirely?

 

[HeyAll]

Ultimately the women have to receive pleasure from it. If you give the women or orgasms then it'll be ok.

 

[Nezhul]

That's it? You do realize that it is a difficult situation on many levels. You can't just say that someone's been kidnapped, then made to cum and suddenly it makes everything right. Or can you?

Because even if I'm thinking of giving my story a somewhat happy ending, there's still gonna be a lot of controversies, because being kidnapped and made into slave is not fun, no matter how you look at it. I've written a story about tentacle monster before, and it went well, even though there were all the non-con and suffering you can imagine. I'm still wondering if writing about "real world" slavery is gonna hit the wall. Because it's basically rape, even if you don't say the word out loud, right?

 

[lovecraft68]

That's it? You do realize that it is a difficult situation on many levels. You can't just say that someone's been kidnapped, then made to cum and suddenly it makes everything right. Or can you?

Because even if I'm thinking of giving my story a somewhat happy ending, there's still gonna be a lot of controversies, because being kidnapped and made into slave is not fun, no matter how you look at it. I've written a story about tentacle monster before, and it went well, even though there were all the non-con and suffering you can imagine. I'm still wondering if writing about "real world" slavery is gonna hit the wall. Because it's basically rape, even if you don't say the word out loud, right?

The 360 from being raped to an orgasm is ridiculous and unrealistic, but it is the site rule.

The tentacle porn slipped the rule because non human seems to not have to adhere to any rule except underage and there's ways around that one too.

But I don't think you can have the amount of suffering a true to life sex slavery situation would have and get it through here.

My suggestion is that if you want to write it as rape, which it really is and seems to be where you want to go with it, then post it to another site. There are a few that will allow flat out rape.

They don't have the readership this site does, but you'd be writing the piece you want.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

The lines on this topic are blurry.

Non-con happens anytime someone to does something to a second person that the second person wasn't in agreement with. To make non-con fly here, the second person has to subsequently agree with what happened. Usually, here, that translates to "she said no, but I fucked her anyway, and she loved it, and everyone lived happily ever after."

Just giving the receiving character an orgasm doesn't qualify. Rape victims sometimes have orgasms, but that doesn't mean they liked what happened.

There are a lot of people, especially women, who have intensely erotic reactions to "being made to". (In fantasy anyway; it less often translates to real life experiences.) That's the reason the genre exists on this site; if it wasn't such a popular theme, I'm reasonably certain it'd be banned here, getting rid of a lot of argument.

Forced slavery, whether sexual or not, is just about the ultimate non-con. I can't see any way to convince someone to like being a slave when it's not the role they initially chose. So I don't see such a story working here. Especially not if it's historically accurate.

When in doubt, contact Laurel.

 

[lovecraft68]

Forced slavery, whether sexual or not, is just about the ultimate non-con. I can't see any way to convince someone to like being a slave when it's not the role they initially chose. So I don't see such a story working here. Especially not if it's historically accurate.

When in doubt, contact Laurel.

To the OP, I would take this post as pretty much gospel as Hands writes quite a bit of Non consent so he would know best of anyone else posting here, I would think.

Contacting Laurel FWIW worth will guarantee a very close look at your story by her to see if you listened to her, so if you don't like her answer, you may not want to risk trying anyway as some newer authors here tend to do.

 

[Nezhul]

My suggestion is that if you want to write it as rape, which it really is and seems to be where you want to go with it, then post it to another site. There are a few that will allow flat out rape.

That's blurry. I mean, for me, the situation I'm planning to put heroes in is close to rape. It's still being forced into sexual slavery against their will.
But that's not to say I'm planning to make it all bad and suffering, because I don't. It's still going to be sexy, it's not going to be ugly in many ways. It probably won't be even as hard and dramatic as my tentacle story.
But that's exactly why I'm trying to get a sense of what I can and cannot do. It's gonna be BDSM-ish, by that I mean that there will be bondage and toys commonly used in BDSM, but I can't call it BDSM because that needs to be consensual and considerate of the sub, which my story probably won't be. Although I'm not planning to go deep into pain infliction.

"she said no, but I fucked her anyway, and she loved it, and everyone lived happily ever after."

I actually kinda plan to make a story about slave auction for very rich people, and the heroine being conned into it. She eventually would fall inlove with the guy who bought her and stay with him willingly even after being let go by him. That's the "happily ever after" I was planning. There is much more depth in the plot, but it boils down to that she'd hate it for a very long time (especially the part prior to being sold) and then she'd come to like it. Still, a lot of "scenes" will not end with her being happy about it.

Contacting Laurel. I'm not sure I can rightfully borrow her time when I have nothing written yet (just the idea) and am just thinking of if I should write the thing or drop it. Thing is, I'm comfortable with this site, don't really want to find other places to post the story. So it's either write it for here or not write it at all, because I really have other stories I can write instead. =)

 

[lovecraft68]

It's gonna be BDSM-ish, by that I mean that there will be bondage and toys commonly used in BDSM, but I can't call it BDSM because that needs to be consensual and considerate of the sub, which my story probably won't be.

Holy shit, someone who gets it!

You're a rare breed here, I can tell you that much.

As for the slave thing, any enjoyment would be unrealistic but....this is fiction and there is a rule so although not true to life I'm sure there are tons of slave stories here with the "hey, you know, its not so bad being a sex slave, give me , more!"

Some things, like human trafficking, rape and incest shouldn't be written to their real life equivalent here or it would crush the fantasy for all involved.

 

[HandsInTheDark]

That's blurry. I mean, for me, the situation I'm planning to put heroes in is close to rape. It's still being forced into sexual slavery against their will.

Rape is pretty binary. "Close to rape"... not sure what that means.

You might want to look at my "Becoming Marie..." story. It passed muster, in sci-fi, despite an opening scene and premise that's noncon.

 

[sr71plt]

I have stories published here of characters captured and made sex slaves. Rather than trying to follow the diatribes folks respond on this forum with, I suggest you read some stories here. They'll give you an idea if what can get published here. When in doubt, submit it and see if the only editor on Literotica lets it through.

 

[Nezhul]

Some things, like human trafficking, rape and incest shouldn't be written to their real life equivalent here or it would crush the fantasy for all involved.

Well, it's definitely not going to be too realistic. I mean, It will be even a bit glamorous, unreal like a scary fairy tale, with no filth and dirt to it. Don't see it as sexy.
But at the same time, I don't see the heroine to be "Hell yeah! Give me more!" in her head. In this story, I guess she'd be going with the flow a lot, in the face of circumstances, not resisting too much, but still disliking it in general, as any normal person would. She'd get off some, she'd sexualize a lot of things once she gets over the initial stress, but she wouldn't LOVE to be there by a long shot.
She'd be disturbed and even disgusted on the way a lot. She'd be slowly giving up her ground as she goes, becoming less resistant and repulsed at what's happening. That's the kind of story I wanted to write.

 

[sr71plt]

And you're writing this to an erotica site?

 

[Nezhul]

And you're writing this to an erotica site?

what's wrong with it?

 

[sr71plt]

what's wrong with it?

If your nonconsent story isn't for the purposes of erotic fantasy, then there's no reason why the Web site would post it on an erotica site. So, maybe you have your answer of your original question since you didn't seem to be impressed with the suggestion that you do your own homework and read some of the stories here that are passing through for evidence of what can be written and posted here.

 

[RejectReality]

One thing to remember is that there's no penalty for submitting a story that breaks content rules beyond the story being rejected. You're not going to get banned or anything of that nature.

Write it, and if it can't be posted here, there are other sites with different content rules. You don't have to make the story fit the venue when you can find a venue that fits the story.

 

[Ewobbit]

So... basically "Beauty and the Beast" with less cartoon and more BDSM, specifically of the dominance and submission stripe only without the carefully worked out contract. Otherwise known as the pre-Disney version.

My thought, go for it. You thought it up. You obviously think enough about it that you brought it up here. Go with it and see where it takes you. When you're done, Mistress Laurel will either let you hang it on her walls or she won't. You'll still have told the story you wanted if she doesn't, and you can always see if some of these guys can give you pointers in selling it instead.

 

[Learin]

Two major rules that you need to follow in any story:

1. Active participants in sex should be 18 or above.

2. And this:

Why was my story rejected?

=>Was there excessive violence, snuff, or abuse of characters in your story?

Your story was too extreme for our guidelines. These judgments are subjective, and thus we can't give an exact definition of what exactly is "too much". Certain "violence" in a BDSM situation between consenting adults may be allowed, while the same "violence" between strangers in a non-consentual situation will not. Tone and respect for characters, as well as the "violent" scene within the context of the story, are what we make our judgments upon. If your story is rejected for this, feel free to send the story back with a polite request for an explanation and we will tell you why it was rejected. If you disagree with our assessment, you are more than welcome to publish your story elsewhere rather than alter it to our guidelines. We respect your rights as authors to write on whatever you like, however you like.

Added by Laurel for clarification: While we do accept submissions with graphic violence, we don't accept "snuff" - i.e. death & extreme torture with the aim of sexual titillation. We generally do not accept submissions of nonconsensual sex in which the "victim" gets absolutely no sort of thrill or enjoyment from the acts, or is seriously and /or permanently physically harmed/abused.

Anything else goes, generally speaking.

 

[lovecraft68]

Just out of curiosity has anyone looked in the How to section for some tips on non con stories?

I know there are how to on several other categories.

 

[Serafina1210]

Just out of curiosity has anyone looked in the How to section for some tips on non con stories?

I know there are how to on several other categories.

I just did a search and found nothing helpful.

This is a hard topic because being forced or enslaved is a very common fantasy, but it's not a thing women actually want in their real lives. Probably if your story looks as if you're getting off on the idea of really enslaving women, then it won't go. But if it looks as if it's catering to the fantasy, then it's great. Obviously it's hard to draw a bright line between the acceptable and the unacceptable.

I have a story in which a woman is enslaved, sold, and then rescued. One in which a gang-rape is set up by a sadistic lover, and the woman could escape but chooses not to. One in which a prostitute incites a roomful of men to violence against her. One in which a woman is kidnapped for snuff-sex, but the man has a change of heart and they escape together. In none of these does the heroine say at any point, "Hey, this is great! Just what I've always wanted!" But she gets something by the end of the story--sexual satisfaction at the very least, or self-knowledge, or even love.

 

[lovecraft68]

I just did a search and found nothing helpful.

This is a hard topic because being forced or enslaved is a very common fantasy, but it's not a thing women actually want in their real lives. Probably if your story looks as if you're getting off on the idea of really enslaving women, then it won't go. But if it looks as if it's catering to the fantasy, then it's great. Obviously it's hard to draw a bright line between the acceptable and the unacceptable.

I have a story in which a woman is enslaved, sold, and then rescued. One in which a gang-rape is set up by a sadistic lover, and the woman could escape but chooses not to. One in which a prostitute incites a roomful of men to violence against her. One in which a woman is kidnapped for snuff-sex, but the man has a change of heart and they escape together. In none of these does the heroine say at any point, "Hey, this is great! Just what I've always wanted!" But she gets something by the end of the story--sexual satisfaction at the very least, or self-knowledge, or even love.

Yeah that is one hell of a fine line.

But it gets further blurred here because Laurel has stated that if a rape fits the context of the story, she may allow it. Well if a story is non consent, then wouldn't rape fit that?

I am at a point where I think the rule is deliberately vague and it really comes down to her personal opinion on any given occasion rather than a flat hard rule like "no underage" which is pretty cut and dried.

And yes, many women have rape/forced fantasies, but would never want the real experience.

This brings us to rape/rapist fantasy. As a woman reading a rape story they are living the fantasy as the victim which is the fictional turn on for them, full well knowing they would never want it

But the person writing the flat out rape fantasy? If female same applies, because the female is the victim. Male? Rapist fantasy because they are writing about it as a man getting off to women being raped.

A bit of a double standard? Yes, but true. If the woman next door to me says "I get off on rape fantasies" I say whatever floats your boat.

Now if the guy next door says "I get off on reading/writing about women being raped and abused and sold as sex slaves?" Then I can tell you I will tell him if I see him staring at my daughter or wife I will remove his eyes with an ice cream scoop and people can say "Oh, please" but if you were a guy in that spot you would feel the same way, difference is I can own it.

Let me tell youthere is a poster here who is on a lot of women's ignore pages fro their incessant rape and sexist discussions, why? Because it comes across as creepy, yet...a woman posting about her rape fantasies, no issue at all.

 

[Bramblethorn]

It's gonna be BDSM-ish, by that I mean that there will be bondage and toys commonly used in BDSM, but I can't call it BDSM because that needs to be consensual and considerate of the sub, which my story probably won't be.

Thanks for getting this!

 

[Serafina1210]

But the person writing the flat out rape fantasy? If female same applies, because the female is the victim. Male? Rapist fantasy because they are writing about it as a man getting off to women being raped.

Maybe. Don't you adopt other points of view, write about other people's fantasies, and offer fantasies for people whose desires are different from yours? I've read enough of your stuff to be sure you do. If you wrote a rape fantasy I wouldn't assume it was because you fantasized about raping a woman.

A bit of a double standard? Yes, but true. If the woman next door to me says "I get off on rape fantasies" I say whatever floats your boat.

Now if the guy next door says "I get off on reading/writing about women being raped and abused and sold as sex slaves?" Then I can tell you I will tell him if I see him staring at my daughter or wife I will remove his eyes with an ice cream scoop and people can say "Oh, please" but if you were a guy in that spot you would feel the same way, difference is I can own it.

Mm, yes, this is a problem. Maybe only women should be allowed to read rape fantasies here.

 

[sr71plt]

Mm, yes, this is a problem. Maybe only women should be allowed to read rape fantasies here.

I presume you mean "heterosexual rape fantasies."

 

[Serafina1210]

I presume you mean "heterosexual rape fantasies."

Yes, yes, quite. Thanks for the clarification.

 

[sr71plt]

Yes, yes, quite. Thanks for the clarification.

Because, as I've noted before, since the social taboo of men having sex with men is arguably greater than that of men and women in various relationships (or lack of one) having sex--or even of women having sex with women--the rape fantasy of men on men is probably of heightened erotic interest to readers of gay male--as an erotic fantasy. Being the subject of the rape/nonconsent in a fantasy takes guilt away and allows heightened enjoyment absent the feelings of guilt.

When I write it, especially for Lit., I establish the hidden desire for male-male sex in the mind of the receiving character before it happens--and then mostly leave them happy they got over the hurdle of man-man sex of whatever variety it was. I've had no trouble getting a story posted and I'm not about to drop that theme in writing GM just because of someone's hangup and inability to separate fiction from reality in the hetero world. (I don't mind a writer ignoring someone's personal hangup on this in the hetero world either, for that matter.) I'm fine with the edge of decision being left to those who own this Web site.