Taken from another thread...movie monsters.

[Sean Renaud]

What the hell was with the 60's/70's and fucking gorillas?

 

[lovecraft68]

What the hell was with the 60's/70's and fucking gorillas?

Beats the hell out of me, but I remember being about 8 when my father took me to see the 1976 remake and I was so sad when Kong died and I recall looking at my father and saying

"People are pieces of shit." He laughed so hard he didn't bother telling me not to swear and someone behind us said, You don't know the half of it kid."

forty years later I am still amazed at how right I am.

I think that may have been what started me out on the path of never rooting for the perceived good guy. Kong may have been the first sympathetic 'bad guy' in movies. Him and Frankenstein.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I think you could make a case for virtually all of the classic monsters sans my main man Vlad. The Wolfman is rarely in control of his actions (especially in non comedy films) and at BEST targets people who antagonized him as a human at worst attacks friends and family since they are targets of opportunity. It's also generally in no way his fault.

Jekyll and Hyde are similar but you can at least pretend that Hyde falls under the Frankenstien (the Doctor not the Monster who strictly speaking has no name) category of you fuck with shit you don't understand and bad things happen to you.

Actually I'm not familiar with the original mummy off hand. He might have been a straight prick from beginning to end.

I can definitely get behind rooting for the bad guy.

 

[lovecraft68]

I think you could make a case for virtually all of the classic monsters sans my main man Vlad. The Wolfman is rarely in control of his actions (especially in non comedy films) and at BEST targets people who antagonized him as a human at worst attacks friends and family since they are targets of opportunity. It's also generally in no way his fault.

Jekyll and Hyde are similar but you can at least pretend that Hyde falls under the Frankenstien (the Doctor not the Monster who strictly speaking has no name) category of you fuck with shit you don't understand and bad things happen to you.

Actually I'm not familiar with the original mummy off hand. He might have been a straight prick from beginning to end.

I can definitely get behind rooting for the bad guy.

I agree Drac was never really portrayed as anything but a monster-at least initially, there's been all kinds of takes on him in recent years.

The Mummy was simply the result of a curse, they broke open the tomb, removed the amulet, uh-oh.

Creature of the Black Lagoon-the last of Universal's original monsters-was a sympathetic figure as well. Another monster who fell for a woman.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I agree Drac was never really portrayed as anything but a monster-at least initially, there's been all kinds of takes on him in recent years.

The Mummy was simply the result of a curse, they broke open the tomb, removed the amulet, uh-oh.

Creature of the Black Lagoon-the last of Universal's original monsters-was a sympathetic figure as well. Another monster who fell for a woman.

Modern portrayals pull more from his historical counterpart but call me crazy, I'm not certain anything the Ottomans did in the 1500's justfies eating Brits in the 1800s. And he seems to be in control.

I forgot about the Creature probably because he doesn't get any love today outside of the occasional "Calling all Monsters." thing.

Universal looked to have been gearing up for a Monster Squad movie but that seems to have died after that Aaron Ekkbert Frankenstien movie failed and Dracula Untold under performed.

 

[lovecraft68]

Modern portrayals pull more from his historical counterpart but call me crazy, I'm not certain anything the Ottomans did in the 1500's justfies eating Brits in the 1800s. And he seems to be in control.

I forgot about the Creature probably because he doesn't get any love today outside of the occasional "Calling all Monsters." thing.

Universal looked to have been gearing up for a Monster Squad movie but that seems to have died after that Aaron Ekkbert Frankenstien movie failed and Dracula Untold under performed.

Its interesting how Universal ruled 40's to 50's then in the sixties The Hammer movies took over.

Not sure there is a modern equivalent of a 'stable' of monsters.

Every once in awhile I like to pull out a few old famous Monster magazines and flip through them, good campy fun.

 

[Sean Renaud]

There isn't. The monster flicks gave way to the slasher genre. All those scary guys with terribly boring names. Frederick. Jason. Micheal. Charles. Who dominated the 80's and 90's but went almost completely silent in the 2000s. The 2000s were dominated by a combination of gorn (Gore Porn) of Saw and Hostel primarily and the religious revival films filled with demons that are defeated either by Christian belief or by quasi religious people like Insidious. Right now mid way through the teens we seem to be lacking a true guiding light for the genre other than continuing the 2000's a bit.

Part of me can't wait to see what happens when Marvel decides "Fuck it! We rule the goddamn world and after we made "He's Fantastic" the story of how Reed Richards got a babe like Sue Storm to bang him they'll make Marvel Zombies. Which ironically already exists.

 

[lovecraft68]

There isn't. The monster flicks gave way to the slasher genre. All those scary guys with terribly boring names. Frederick. Jason. Micheal. Charles. Who dominated the 80's and 90's but went almost completely silent in the 2000s. The 2000s were dominated by a combination of gorn (Gore Porn) of Saw and Hostel primarily and the religious revival films filled with demons that are defeated either by Christian belief or by quasi religious people like Insidious. Right now mid way through the teens we seem to be lacking a true guiding light for the genre other than continuing the 2000's a bit.

Part of me can't wait to see what happens when Marvel decides "Fuck it! We rule the goddamn world and after we made "He's Fantastic" the story of how Reed Richards got a babe like Sue Storm to bang him they'll make Marvel Zombies. Which ironically already exists.

I grew up in the slasher Zombie days. The Zombie gore spawned such bombs as Gates of Hell and Night of the Living Zombies blech.

I think the success of The Ring was a good thing because movies have now turned to suspense and creepiness ofver gore, movies like Insidious, but also The Conjuring and similar movies.

Hotel and Saw are always my best examples of the hypocrisy of amazon. They witch hunt erotica, but proudly carry the disgusting torture porn of those movies and their kind.

There's a newer one called Witch that supposedly is the creepiest thing done in years, but for soem reason the end turns into somewhat of a splatter film, my daughter said she was so unnerved during most of it she wanted to leave and that kid is mini me, so I have to check it out, but she said they sold out for the end.

Oh. one more point. They can do the possession movies until the cows come home, nothing wil ever top the power-or reaction-of the original exorcist in the early seventies, no horror movie before or sense caused that much commotion.

Rosemary's baby is another that is superior despite its age and the original Omen had some good creepy moments.

 

[emap]

Oh good grief you two.

Besides you missed one of the best of the horror movies. It wasn't gory, wasn't just suspense, and some parts you pull the covers over your eyes, and peek out to watch anyway.

The Shining I mean come on guys, that is the best movie in like ever to unnerve the crap out of you and it doesn't really do anything. I mean it's just maybe this is going bad, that is odd until the very end. I admit the book was better, it got the scare of the snowed over shaped bushes better than the movie. I remember watching it on TV when it was first aired, it was done at night time and the lights stayed on all night I think.

Before anyone asks I read the book after watching the movie. It was featured in the library after it was aired on TV so I grabbed a copy. I mean the movie was awesome so maybe the book is better. Librarian talked about the book when I checked it out and said it is better.

 

[lovecraft68]

Oh good grief you two.

Besides you missed one of the best of the horror movies. It wasn't gory, wasn't just suspense, and some parts you pull the covers over your eyes, and peek out to watch anyway.

The Shining I mean come on guys, that is the best movie in like ever to unnerve the crap out of you and it doesn't really do anything. I mean it's just maybe this is going bad, that is odd until the very end. I admit the book was better, it got the scare of the snowed over shaped bushes better than the movie. I remember watching it on TV when it was first aired, it was done at night time and the lights stayed on all night I think.

Before anyone asks I read the book after watching the movie. It was featured in the library after it was aired on TV so I grabbed a copy. I mean the movie was awesome so maybe the book is better. Librarian talked about the book when I checked it out and said it is better.

Jeez I did the hand to the forehead as soon as I read your post, the shining was damn spooky, the little girls freaked me out.

An underrated King movie that's creepy as hell is Pet Sematary and just like the book(even better) the scary pot was the wife's flashbacks of her deformed sister ugh....cringe worthy.

A fairly modern movie that was also surprisingly good was the first Silent Hill movie, good story line and the town was spooky as hell.

 

[Sean Renaud]

My parents hadn't met when the Shining came out. I apologize for it not really making my list since. Half of it had been spoiled by the Simposons by the time I was old enough to watch it!

Child's Play wasn't kind to me. I think I might have been a tad young for that when my father failed to stop me from watching it. (As opposed to letting me watch it, I was 45 minutes in when he wandered in and figured it was better that I see the critter lose than not. But it was burned one armed, one legged Chucky coming through the grates that scared the piss outta me. IT didn't help that I had a my Buddy Doll and my sister had an older plastic doll but one with the realistic eyes that open and shut and to this day unsettles me.

 

[lovecraft68]

Okay I am going to show you people the thing that freaked me out the most in my entire life(movie wise) this is from 1963(I think) from a Trilogy named Black Sabbath.

Saw this when I was about 6(why? because my parents never watched me) and gave me nightmares for years. Every time I heard a drip, a weird noise and anytime I walked into a room I expected to see this thing there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwPF-sfNvOo

 

[PSZer0Dark30]

Okay I am going to show you people the thing that freaked me out the most in my entire life(movie wise) this is from 1963(I think) from a Trilogy named Black Sabbath.

Saw this when I was about 6(why? because my parents never watched me) and gave me nightmares for years. Every time I heard a drip, a weird noise and anytime I walked into a room I expected to see this thing there.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PwPF-sfNvOo

Anyone else a fan of Trick r' Treat? Absolutely LOVE the format and style. Easily one of my favorite "modern day" horror films. Also Resolution (on Netflix currently) is a phenomenal slow burn horror film.

More recently there's It Follows, which cannot be stressed enough on how well done it is. I've heard The Invitation is really good but haven't seen it yet

 

[lovecraft68]

Anyone else a fan of Trick r' Treat? Absolutely LOVE the format and style. Easily one of my favorite "modern day" horror films. Also Resolution (on Netflix currently) is a phenomenal slow burn horror film.

More recently there's It Follows, which cannot be stressed enough on how well done it is. I've heard The Invitation is really good but haven't seen it yet

Trick R treat was clever, rare these days.

My daughter has mentioned Resolution several times. She also keeps trying to get me to watch that show...crap what's the name of it? The one with the side show freaks? American something?

 

[Sean Renaud]

I do not recall starting this thread.

 

[emap]

Didn't, this is called Mod powers. Basically a moderator is the next thing to god in the forum, or section as the case may be. Before anyone asks god would be Manu, and he talks more often.

Course going back to the fucking gorillas, they got multiple duty in the movies. There's the one with Tarzan, though that is a monkey. Hmm forget Tarzan, he had a good voice though and him in the shorts, it was a nice view and stop looking at me like that.

Anyway, sort of back on track, Plan 9 From Outer Space. Corny and goofy, and so bad it's good enough that many actually copied parts of it for a while. There is a guy in a gorilla suit and a spaceman helmet. Same thing was done again in another one of those 50's space movies. Course you said sixties and seventies, the problem is by the time you got to there it was all vampires, and then the mad black guy. Besides Shaft of course, he was a bad motherfucker.

I'm not sure which is worse, most of the time the black guy is the bad guy, or Shaft and his music, because bad motherfucker is in it. Course the black guy is no longer the bad guy, he is instead the one black friend, and usually dies early. Because black guys can't run away or something equally stupid. Better than us women get it, white or black or we can't run away and scream when we fall down and break a nail.

Course at least we are not Asian women, those are either, the stupid love slave of the bad guy, seriously kick ass fighter who doesn't use a gun for reasons beyond anyone and works for the bad guy, a nerd who can't understand anything not in the lab, or basically the token Asian chick who doesn't understand not doing whatever they do to die early, usually after the black guy.

 

[lovecraft68]

Didn't, this is called Mod powers. Basically a moderator is the next thing to god in the forum, or section as the case may be. Before anyone asks god would be Manu, and he talks more often.

Course going back to the fucking gorillas, they got multiple duty in the movies. There's the one with Tarzan, though that is a monkey. Hmm forget Tarzan, he had a good voice though and him in the shorts, it was a nice view and stop looking at me like that.

Anyway, sort of back on track, Plan 9 From Outer Space. Corny and goofy, and so bad it's good enough that many actually copied parts of it for a while. There is a guy in a gorilla suit and a spaceman helmet. Same thing was done again in another one of those 50's space movies. Course you said sixties and seventies, the problem is by the time you got to there it was all vampires, and then the mad black guy. Besides Shaft of course, he was a bad motherfucker.

I'm not sure which is worse, most of the time the black guy is the bad guy, or Shaft and his music, because bad motherfucker is in it. Course the black guy is no longer the bad guy, he is instead the one black friend, and usually dies early. Because black guys can't run away or something equally stupid. Better than us women get it, white or black or we can't run away and scream when we fall down and break a nail.

Course at least we are not Asian women, those are either, the stupid love slave of the bad guy, seriously kick ass fighter who doesn't use a gun for reasons beyond anyone and works for the bad guy, a nerd who can't understand anything not in the lab, or basically the token Asian chick who doesn't understand not doing whatever they do to die early, usually after the black guy.

When speaking of Gorilla's my man Mighty Joe Young gets no love, that was a pretty good movie. The original Planet of the Apes movies were good(I know sci fi more than horror, but we are speaking of Gorillas) and had some great social commentary. The recent ones are garbage. I have this thing with monkeys, hate them. I watched ten minutes of one of the recent POTA remakes and my trigger finger was twitching

Scream did a good job of mocking many of the tropes including the girls who can't run and that you should never have sex. Surprised you didn't add that all girls, white, black Asian etc... always feel the need to be topless the second they think they are alone

 

[Sean Renaud]

I personally like the new planet of the apes movies minus the point that sometimes you can't explain shit. Basically the same problem with zombies. Under no circumstances is an outbreak in LA conquering the planet. Even if the president lacks the balls at some point Putin will bomb the offending area off the map. The originals had the benefit of it just happened so there.

Plan 9 from Outer Space. Why does God despise me so much that he keeps putting that turd in my path?

Onto gorillas they were just everywhere for a while. DC has like three with Grodd being the most famous but Monsuer Mallah and the Super Inhuman or something like that as a third. Oh and Detective Chimp and I'm sure there are a few others.

I just always found it strange. It ranks right up there with obnoxious sidekicks which every cartoon in the 80's had by default.

 

[dirtyqueen]

Since Trick r treat was mentioned, did anyone watch Krampus? I thought the creatures (the toys, Krampus, the elves, etc.) were quite clever in their designs and the film was quite delightful.

Of classic monsters though, I liked the creature from the black lagoon. It was just doing its thing, hanging out in a tropical paradise, and really just wanted to be left alone (and get an attractive woman...but hey, last of its kind).

 

[lovecraft68]

I personally like the new planet of the apes movies minus the point that sometimes you can't explain shit. Basically the same problem with zombies. Under no circumstances is an outbreak in LA conquering the planet. Even if the president lacks the balls at some point Putin will bomb the offending area off the map. The originals had the benefit of it just happened so there.

Plan 9 from Outer Space. Why does God despise me so much that he keeps putting that turd in my path?

Onto gorillas they were just everywhere for a while. DC has like three with Grodd being the most famous but Monsuer Mallah and the Super Inhuman or something like that as a third. Oh and Detective Chimp and I'm sure there are a few others.

I just always found it strange. It ranks right up there with obnoxious sidekicks which every cartoon in the 80's had by default.

 

[lovecraft68]

Since Trick r treat was mentioned, did anyone watch Krampus? I thought the creatures (the toys, Krampus, the elves, etc.) were quite clever in their designs and the film was quite delightful.

Of classic monsters though, I liked the creature from the black lagoon. It was just doing its thing, hanging out in a tropical paradise, and really just wanted to be left alone (and get an attractive woman...but hey, last of its kind).

Krampus was better than I thought, I went in with a low bar, but it wasn't bad.

Some movies that I thought were good no one talks about

Darkness Falls(nice tooth fairy twist)

NightFlyers-sci/horror film that was genuinely creepy

Night of the Demons(original) a cult classic, cheesy acting and low budget, but lots of great scares.

 

[Sean Renaud]

I haven't seen Krampus yet but my film buddy vouches so it couldn't have been but so bad. He and I don't always agree and I think he hates fun. REally gives you peak inside the head of critic when you've got a film student for a friend. When they've seen enough films that they are calling out future events because of this camera angle or that it might make you want to stab them, but it lets you understand why they might hate some of the things they do.

 

[emap]

Film students, the most annoying shits on the planet, or the dumbest fuckers around.

Honestly, that would make for a good fun horror movie. Just make it about film students and getting offed. So like one is going through the set talking about all the ways of the murderer to off him or her, with said murdered following them. Even add in the audience participation stuff like flashing words of look behind you and stuff.

Before anyone asks I am not a film student but met them a few times, and then really, watch a movie. If you pay attention, you see the same things in movie, after movie, after movie.

Granted, film students never make a movie the rest of the world will ever watch. Unless you are George Romero, the first one was awesome, and then every single one since is the same thing. Which is not quite true but close. The problem is that graduating and get work as a full on whatever in the movies, doesn't mean they are no longer a film student.

 

[Reshbod]

Robot Monster is the one with the ape suit and diving helmet. Fun but silly movie. Then there is the genre of mad scientists, disembodied heads in jars or pans.

I tend to feel bad for the gorillas in 30s up to the 60s movies. Most times they were just kept in tiny cages in the mad scientists basement until they receive the human brain or something similar which turns them into killers.

 

[Sean Renaud]

Film students, the most annoying shits on the planet, or the dumbest fuckers around.

Honestly, that would make for a good fun horror movie. Just make it about film students and getting offed. So like one is going through the set talking about all the ways of the murderer to off him or her, with said murdered following them. Even add in the audience participation stuff like flashing words of look behind you and stuff.

Before anyone asks I am not a film student but met them a few times, and then really, watch a movie. If you pay attention, you see the same things in movie, after movie, after movie.

Granted, film students never make a movie the rest of the world will ever watch. Unless you are George Romero, the first one was awesome, and then every single one since is the same thing. Which is not quite true but close. The problem is that graduating and get work as a full on whatever in the movies, doesn't mean they are no longer a film student.

You really do, but I think the difference between seeing EVERY movie that comes out and one movie or so a month just changes how quickly you notice the patterns.