Political alt-history question: What if Catholicism hadn't come to the US?

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So America was a Protestant country from it's founding, both in colonial and post-revolutionary times.

The Protestant way of religion was much more in keeping with the values and principles of the American identity.

The factors of Catholicism are primarily two fold:

1) It destroyed the largely homogeneous population of the US, instead of white Anglo Protestants that shared a culture and history from Britain, the nation now had Polish, German, and other alien cultures and values.

2) The Catholics were a people of two flags, they have loyalties to the Pope as if he was a king and it changed the ethical backbone of the population, Catholics follow a religion which has a push for subservience to authority, especially to a human. Which is not the principles that support a people who are above the government, but instead a people that should follow government.
 
You also forgot the Native Americans, the Spanish and the French in your praise of White Protestants.
 
Some of the Irish have had a significant and positive impact on the US.
Well the point of the thread is to see what changes.

Simply saying that some Catholics had a positive effect is totally missing the point and adds nothing to the discussion.

Also, the topic isn't just what if no Catholic ever came to the US, but more what if Catholicism never became accepted or influential in the US.

Basically no mass immigration of Catholics, and no political office for Catholics.

You also forgot the Native Americans, the Spanish and the French in your praise of White Protestants.
Again I think you are simply missing the point of the discussion.

While American Indians did have an influence on early Quaker colonists, and on our Founding Father's architecture of the Constitution and their idea of an American Republic (Iroquois League) they have nothing to do with Catholic immigration.

Also, Spanish and French populations had little to do with the original 13 Colonies.


So are you going to talk about what would change in the US's history and how America today would be different? Our Founding Father's also drew inspiration from the Swiss Confederation but that isn't the point of this thread.
 
Protestantism is an offshoot of Roman Catholicism, and their creeds are practically identical.
 
The more significant founding fathers were functionally Diests, Protestants only in PC (at the time) name, and the Episcopal church of several of them at the time was closer to Catholicism (Anglican, a step removed from Catholicism) than Protestantism. There was nothing unified about Protestantism in the United States at the founding. Protestantism in New England was radically different from that in the more southern states, and Maryland, in the middle, was Catholic.
 
A social change is to hard to predict. We're talking about millions of people coming here with diverse faiths. It's not like the Pope scent a fleet of missionaries to bring the faith to the land.
 
Protestantism is an offshoot of Roman Catholicism, and their creeds are practically identical.
Protestantism has many smaller tents, there are over 40,000 denominations of Christianity and the vast majority are not of Roman Catholic lineage.

Roman Catholicism isn't even the first denomination of Christianity.

The more significant founding fathers were functionally Diests, Protestants only in PC (at the time) name
I'm aware that they were not the Evangelical type of Christians that we see today.

and the Episcopal church of several of them at the time was closer to Catholicism (Anglican, a step removed from Catholicism) than Protestantism.
I'd always thought they were simply a re-branding of the Anglican Church in the US following it's independence from the Crown.

There was nothing unified about Protestantism in the United States at the founding.
That's my point, it is much more independent which was what the US was all about.

Whereas Catholicism is a very top-down, central authority type religion with the Pope acting as a sort of king. Protestant churches were very local and had little to no influence between parishes.
 
Based on my scientific study of over 65 years now, protestant women are 5 times more likely to swallow than herring snappers.
 
Poor White Nationalist, Jew hating, Catholic hating, Stormfront reject UnRealAmerican...

Always looking for someone else to blame the death of his backward assed views on. Welcome to extinction moron.
 
What an awesome Real American!
Wow, what a fantastic post...

Always looking for someone else to blame the death of his backward assed views on. Welcome to extinction moron.
So Miss, do you have anything to add?

Or are you to stupid and insane with progressive dogma that you can't even function in civil society or rational debate?

Is the OP topic to advanced for you to grasp? Better run back to your safe space... I bet they have warm milk and fresh cookies. Sounds good!
 
Real American?

What sort of real American doesn't recognise that a large part of the US's strength is the diversity of people that came together to build the United States?

Go to New York and read the words on the Statue of Liberty. Go to Ellis Island and see the names of people that came to the United States.

Read about the Catholic Priests who died bringing the Christian message to Native Americans.

Look at the names and religious faiths of those buried at Arlington, in the American Cemetery in Normandy, on the Vietnam Memorial.

Learn your own history before suggesting your own prejudiced alternative.
 
Real American?

What sort of real American doesn't recognise that a large part of the US's strength is the diversity of people that came together to build the United States?

Go to New York and read the words on the Statue of Liberty. Go to Ellis Island and see the names of people that came to the United States.

Read about the Catholic Priests who died bringing the Christian message to Native Americans.

Look at the names and religious faiths of those buried at Arlington, in the American Cemetery in Normandy, on the Vietnam Memorial.

Learn your own history before suggesting your own prejudiced alternative.

A modern day Bill the Butcher
 
What sort of real American doesn't recognise that a large part of the US's strength is the diversity of people that came together to build the United States?
A baseless and false statement.

Prove how diversity is a strength.

Go to New York and read the words on the Statue of Liberty.
A gist from France, hardly representative of American ideals.

Read about the Catholic Priests who died bringing the Christian message to Native Americans.
What's your point? You did need the Catholic Church to have missionaries bringing the Bible to heathens.

Look at the names and religious faiths of those buried at Arlington, in the American Cemetery in Normandy, on the Vietnam Memorial.
What's you're fucking point? We would have had soldiers regardless of if they were Catholic.

Learn your own history before suggesting your own prejudiced alternative.
Really, you're just to fucking stupid to understand this thread.

Fuck off you worthless SJW twat, the topic of this thread is "what if" why are you incapable of understanding this simple concept?
 
Real American?

What sort of real American doesn't recognise that a large part of the US's strength is the diversity of people that came together to build the United States?

Go to New York and read the words on the Statue of Liberty. Go to Ellis Island and see the names of people that came to the United States.

Read about the Catholic Priests who died bringing the Christian message to Native Americans.

You had me humming "America the Beautiful" right down to this point. :D
 
It makes for robust restaurant districts. :)
And there are a fair number of restaurants that are closed on Fridays, Saturdays or Sundays, presumably for religious reasons. I for one am glad that they take turns.

What would Superbowl Sunday be like if all the players were as devout as they want us to believe?
 
We would miss out on clam chowder Fridays as well as fish & chips are usually on special.

Stained glass windows (different than tribute windows)

Catholic guilt, nothing keeps churches full like it.

So...not much I guess :(
 
A baseless and false statement.

Prove how diversity is a strength.

A gist from France, hardly representative of American ideals.

What's your point? You did need the Catholic Church to have missionaries bringing the Bible to heathens.

What's you're fucking point? We would have had soldiers regardless of if they were Catholic.

Really, you're just to fucking stupid to understand this thread.

Fuck off you worthless SJW twat, the topic of this thread is "what if" why are you incapable of understanding this simple concept?

More insults? Are you incapable of debate?

What if America had continued to be part of the British Empire with its own legislature? That was a more likely scenario than not having any Catholics.

What has started you on an attack against your fellow Americans who have done so much for your country?
 
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