Punish Women For Having Abortions?

[BotanyBoy]

Both the Left and Right argue for censorship based on their own ideological beliefs.

The right considerably more so.

In fact I'm having a hard time thinking of lefties wanting pop culture/art/music/film being banned anywhere lately.

Can you?

 

[Bookishleigh]

No, you're just the one talking about using a vacuum to suck out an unborn fetus.

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Is it a fetus or a baby? So if a person has an abortion before two months (or eight weeks) when the term fetus applies medically, is it still "murder" in your eyes? Just wanting to make sure I'm clear.....

 

[Sean Renaud]

Also nobody says shit about the children when it comes to "ass and titties" in video games. It's about women being in games solely as sexual objects and often times as prizes. You're free not to agree with it but if ass and titties was the actual problem the SJW would be all over the Tinkerbell fran. . .sorry the entire Disney Princess line up but especially Jasmine and Ariel.

 

[phrodeau]

All fetuses are unborn.

 

[Bookishleigh]

All fetuses are unborn.

Darn you and that big brain of yours! I totally missed the "unborn fetus" conundrum. I am slipping.

 

[RobDownSouth]

Rob wants a Vetteman replacement so badly he's point blank making shit up in a sad attempt.

Awwww.....sorry your boy toy is gone Rob.

*sob* I miss him. He was a convenient target.

You're twice as loud and almost as ugly, but it's just not the same.

Plus on days when you remember to take your meds, you occasionally make sense.

 

[Real_American11]

Supremes have consistently held that abortion in and of itself is LEGAL and CONSTITUTIONAL.

Doesn't make it true, unless you like the idea of a nine person oligarchy...

3. Is it a person? No, it's a "potential person", which is both separate and distinct from a "person", inasmuch as an acorn is distinct from an oak tree.

So by that reasoning, we can kill anyone in a coma, or suffering from severe mental handicaps? I mean the 35 year old man rattling his Fisher Price key-ring and sitting in his own shit staring at the ceiling fan... well he's even less of a person isn't he? At least the fetus has the chance to develop a fully functional brain... the mentally retarded person will never exceed his brains current limits.

It's worth noting that many of the anti-abortion folks raise the false equivalency that because a newborn infant is also dependent upon another for nutrients and oxygen, a fetus should be considered the functional equivalent of a newborn.

You haven shown why the equivalence is false, either way the child is dependent on the parent, and the parent has an obligation and responsibility to provide for it's child.

Unless these woman want to claim God put a bun in their ovens, they need to accept the consequences of their actions.

5. Does it have human rights? A qualified yes. A human fetus has rights to the extent that the do not infringe upon the rights of another, in this case the woman carrying the fetus. You cannot have two entities with equal rights occupying one body, because one will automatically have veto power over the other, and by definition this precludes "equal rights".

They don't occupy the same space, the child has it's own body floating in the uterus.

How do you justify the mother's choice to get an abortion as anything else than an "infringement upon the rights of another" in this case the child... also the father. It's his child as well, when it's born he doesn't have a choice to not provide for it, the government will force him to provide money.

6. Is abortion murder? No. It's only murder when it's an independent person. Infants, even premature infants, are considered "independent" of their mother and are accorded full human rights.

I disagree, it is a human, and unless tests show it will be born horribly deformed or mentally maldeveloped then it should not be terminated. With both the mother and father (or if minors, the grandparents) consent.

If it is a danger to the mother's life, than attempts should be made to find a surrogate or artificial womb to save it, if unable than the mother (or if a minor, the grandparents) can give consent.

Your turn!

Anything else is murder.

Slurp slurp wooosh! Job's a goodun!

Degenerate sub-human garbage, you and the parents that raised you.

 

[Rachel_X]

Degenerate sub-human garbage, you and the parents that raised you.

I wasn't raised by parents. You make far too many assumptions in your arguments.

 

[RobDownSouth]

The Donald declared today that his position of the day was that women should face punishment for having an abortion. This position, like all Trump positions, is subject to denial and/or about face at a later date.

What say you?
(poll to follow)

I called it!

Trump Releases Statement Saying Trump Disagrees With Trump’s "Punish Women" Abortion Policy

That scamp!

 

[BotanyBoy]

*sob* I miss him. He was a convenient target.

You're twice as loud and almost as ugly, but it's just not the same.

Plus on days when you remember to take your meds, you occasionally make sense.

Me too....he was so much fun even cowering in his iggy bunker.


I am good looking.


Thanks sweetie....I don't think you've ever been so loving.

 

[Real_American11]

In fact I'm having a hard time thinking of lefties wanting pop culture/art/music/film being banned anywhere lately.

Yes, SJWs are always talking about banning and censoring... did you not see attempts at getting GTA5 banned?

Is it a fetus or a baby? So if a person has an abortion before two months (or eight weeks) when the term fetus applies medically, is it still "murder" in your eyes? Just wanting to make sure I'm clear.....

As soon as the sperm and egg smash heads and cells start dividing, I say it's a life.

Also nobody says shit about the children when it comes to "ass and titties" in video games. It's about women being in games solely as sexual objects and often times as prizes.

No, they say it is damaging to young girls and causes males to be violent against females... No different than those Right Wingers saying violence in video games causes violence in real life...

All fetuses are unborn.

Wrong, a mother could be killed in a car accident and the fetus could be put in an artificial womb or transferred into a surrogate mother. It wouldn't have been born, but it would have left it's mother's body.

I wasn't raised by parents. You make far too many assumptions in your arguments.

Then the meth heads in the trailer park that used you as an ashtray... whatever. You're still scum.

 

[JackLuis]

Yes, SJWs are always talking about banning and censoring... did you not see attempts at getting GTA5 banned?-

Then the meth heads in the trailer park that used you as an ashtray... whatever. You're still scum.

So you favor universal birth control then. Rubbers for everyone! The Pill in every bathroom!

What the fuck is SJW?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Yes, SJWs are always talking about banning and censoring... did you not see attempts at getting GTA5 banned?

SJWs?

And no.

Got something to back that up?

 

[mark_j]

What the fuck is SJW?

Social Justice Warrior

 

[Real_American11]

So you favor universal birth control then. Rubbers for everyone! The Pill in every bathroom!

Yes, condoms and birth control. If the sperm and egg don't start cell division it's okay.

What the fuck is SJW?

SJWs?

A cancer on humanity... Social Justice Warriors.

Got something to back that up?

Well I'm using examples from UK, Aus, Can... SJWs are all over the internet, basically the mainly comprise kids between 20-35, mostly college students, or dropouts from well off families. Typically white, usually pushing feminism, cultural Marxism, racial division, white guilt, etc.

I'm trying to find examples of US based SJWs actually trying to do these things, mostly they just agree with these beliefs... its the SJWs in Canada and Australia that actually follow through with their ideas...

Look up the Gregory Alan Elliott case.

 

[renard_ruse]

What does "sluts" have to do with anything? We're talking about murderers not "sluts."

A "slut" can use contraception like any other normal person.

Nice try though.

 

[renard_ruse]

This bizarre off the wall latest apparent attack on Trump is another example of how the media can take anything and make it a "controversy." A politician they 'don't like can use the word "the" and the media could say "horrible, controversial, outrageous comment by politicians, he/she actually used the word "the"."

Perfect example of this today. Basically they are saying that its no longer permissible to be pro-life at all. Obviously you have to have some punishment if something is illegal or what's the point of the law? I'm not sure what the controversy here is.

BTW, the best response to this CRAP is to simply say we'll adopt the laws of most European countries in regards to late term abortions. The US today has more permissive laws than most of the liberal and socialist countries in Europe regarding so-called abortion. We shouldn't have such an extreme position. That would be a fine response.

Of course the media would stil distort it so it probably doesn't matter anyway. This is part of a current wave of anti-Trump progaganda and dirty tricks in the media because they are getting paranoid he will get the nomination and in some outside chance possibly win the general election. They don't want the risk, so expect countless other dirty attacks on Trump over the next few weeks. It will be a constant barrage.

 

[BotanyBoy]

A cancer on humanity... Social Justice Warriors.

Ahhhh

Well I'm using examples from UK, Aus, Can... SJWs are all over the internet

I have yet to see a single one.

basically the mainly comprise kids between 20-35, mostly college students, or dropouts from well off families. Typically white, usually pushing feminism, cultural Marxism, racial division, white guilt, etc.

Sounds like some made up buu shit from angry old guy mad because he can't get over the fact that 1955 is gone forever.

I'm trying to find examples of US based SJWs actually trying to do these things,

I bet you are.....

 

[Aglaopheme]

D. The answer is always D no matter what it is they are against.

 

[Real_American11]

Sounds like some made up buu shit from angry old guy mad because he can't get over the fact that 1955 is gone forever.

So I see now you're a blatant liar. You just told me that SJWs don't exist? And you expect anyone to believe you've never heard of it until now?

You're full of shit.

 

[JackLuis]

So I see now you're a blatant liar. You just told me that SJWs don't exist? And you expect anyone to believe you've never heard of it until now?

You're full of shit.

I see SJW, I call those the other assholes. I'm a bit behind the times

BB may be full of shit, but it all orgasmic or organic, I don't know which.

 

[BotanyBoy]

I see SJW, I call those the other assholes. I'm a bit behind the times

BB may be full of shit, but it all orgasmic or organic, I don't know which.

Yes

So I see now you're a blatant liar. You just told me that SJWs don't exist? And you expect anyone to believe you've never heard of it until now?

You're full of shit.

I'd never seen 'SJW' until like yesterday and I didn't care to check it out at the time.

I never told you they don't exist, why do you keep making things up?

 

[Sean Renaud]

Though anti-SJW seem to outnumber them two to one. With a few exceptions if we're on politics I hear WAY more people bitching about things being PC than people actually enforcing PC on people in any real sense of the word.

 

[Real_American11]

Though anti-SJW seem to outnumber them two to one. With a few exceptions if we're on politics I hear WAY more people bitching about things being PC than people actually enforcing PC on people in any real sense of the word.

That's not the impression I get.

More and more children are being indoctrinated at school to be SJWs. To be big government fascists, it's pretty scary.

 

[Boxlicker101]

Also nobody says shit about the children when it comes to "ass and titties" in video games. It's about women being in games solely as sexual objects and often times as prizes. You're free not to agree with it but if ass and titties was the actual problem the SJW would be all over the Tinkerbell fran. . .sorry the entire Disney Princess line up but especially Jasmine and Ariel.

Also the mermaids in "Peter Pan." They were really hot!!