General Hayden comes down on the side of Apple

[about_average]

https://youtu.be/494zvHUCxh0

Michael Vincent Hayden (born March 17, 1945) is a retired United States Air Force four-star general and former Director of the National Security Agency, Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence, and Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. Hayden currently co-chairs the Bipartisan Policy Center's Electric Grid Cyber Security Initiative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hayden_(general)

 

[nerfhearder]

I thought the gubmint dropped the case because somebody found a way in or something.

 

[Sean]

I thought the gubmint dropped the case because somebody found a way in or something.

Some Israeli cyber security firm.

 

[nerfhearder]

Some Israeli cyber security firm.

So the Israelis can get into our phones and we never knew. Nice. No wonder nobody likes those fucks.

 

[Disgustipated]

Some Israeli cyber security firm.

So the Israelis can get into our phones and we never knew. Nice. No wonder nobody likes those fucks.

And that wack-o McAfee says he would do it so Apple wouldn't have to.

 

[JohnnySavage]

And that wack-o McAfee says he would do it so Apple wouldn't have to.

Thinking about all the trillions we've spent on computer shit and geeks to fiddle with them, makes me shake my head ruefully that they can't even read an iPhone.

 

[Colonel Hogan]

https://youtu.be/494zvHUCxh0

Michael Vincent Hayden (born March 17, 1945) is a retired United States Air Force four-star general and former Director of the National Security Agency, Principal Deputy Director of National Intelligence, and Director of the Central Intelligence Agency. Hayden currently co-chairs the Bipartisan Policy Center's Electric Grid Cyber Security Initiative.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Hayden_(general)

General Hayden made it quite clear in the YouTube video to which you linked, that he sides with Apple strictly on a practical basis of not encouraging a wide-scale rush to develop backdoor keys or steal Apple's ultimate solution to defeating it's own proprietary products and services.

He did not claim to present a legal argument and specifically said that the government has the right to force Apple to open the phone. "The government has the right to force Apple to cooperate," he said. "The question is, is it wise to do so."

 

[Pairaclities]

General Hayden made it quite clear in the YouTube video to which you linked, that he sides with Apple strictly on a practical basis of not encouraging a wide-scale rush to develop backdoor keys or steal Apple's ultimate solution to defeating it's own proprietary products and services.

He did not claim to present a legal argument and specifically said that the government has the right to force Apple to open the phone. "The government has the right to force Apple to cooperate," he said. "The question is, is it wise to do so."

Since the government withdrew, we will never know if they have the right to force Apple...... until the next time.

 

[Hypoxia]

Unless one has a gov't contract specifying such, can gov't legally force one to make a widget they haven't made before? I carve gods every morning. Can the NSA tell me to carve Cthulhu when I've only done ancient fertility figures and dog-headed deities? How does that differ from a gov't order for Apple to write warez they've never written before?

 

[about_average]

Some Israeli cyber security firm.

Cellebrite.
That's one theory, but I have my doubts. If they could do it, why did they wait so long to come forward, especially since they've been doing other work for the FBI?

People have been flooding the FBI with suggestions and I suspect it's one of those people who hit on something that the FBI thinks will work.

General Hayden made it quite clear in the YouTube video to which you linked, that he sides with Apple strictly on a practical basis of not encouraging a wide-scale rush to develop backdoor keys or steal Apple's ultimate solution to defeating it's own proprietary products and services.

He did not claim to present a legal argument and specifically said that the government has the right to force Apple to open the phone. "The government has the right to force Apple to cooperate," he said. "The question is, is it wise to do so."

Yes. I did watch the video.
He also concluded that they shouldn't do it.
I wouldn't expect a legal argument from someone who got their degrees in history.

That said, I happen to disagree that the government has the right to force them to do it. Or maybe I should say I hope they don't have a right to force them.
If they can then the government can roll up to the Toyota truck plant in Indiana and force them to build these
http://www.army-guide.com/images/M1200ArmoredKnight_sdkjk4.jpg

When it comes down to it, the "practical" point of view is the only one that really matters. Whether they have a right to or not, the government can do what they want. If they set their mind to it they could just say, "Do it, or we shut down Apple" and we'd just have to hope the government obeyed a judge's ruling to not do that, but we couldn't stop them.

Since the government withdrew, we will never know if they have the right to force Apple...... until the next time.

The FBI has other phones they want in to. And next time will probably come very soon.

In any case, we already know it's not wise to have back doors, which is what some in government want.