Everyday Feminism

[Brave Maximus]

Hi,
I haven't ventured into GB since my first year on Lit.
However, this is one of the places where I might get an honest answer with no punches pulled.

Because of some work I've become involved in, I am now getting linked to this site (everydayfeminism.com) a few times a day.

I wish I could pretend it was satire... but I know it's not. They take themselves very seriously.
I know I'm about the exact opposite of it's target demographic....

But could someone A) Explain this site to me? Why it exists, how can they believe what they're saying, how they can expect any sort of positive change from what they're saying.... that sort of thing.
And B) What in the blue hell they are smoking?

Thanks

 

[lovetoread]

If you are too stupid to understand any of that, then you need help.

 

[lovecraft68]

LJ Reloaded will be here to explain it to you very shortly. He's big on feminism.

 

[Saint Peter]

Because of some work I've become involved in,

What kind of work is that, brave maxipuss?

 

[Brave Maximus]

If you are too stupid to understand any of that, then you need help.

"Any of that" being thinly veiled racism, sexism, and leaps of logic that defy common sense? Coupled with the "we know better than you" attitude that fosters a "with us or against us" point of view that you seem to share? The whole concept of not asking questions is anachronistic with what is needed to conquer the racial and sexual divide. If this is what I am to stupid to understand - then I am happily so. Though - I think you're just helping my initial point.

 

[lovetoread]

"Any of that" being thinly veiled racism, sexism, and leaps of logic that defy common sense? Coupled with the "we know better than you" attitude that fosters a "with us or against us" point of view that you seem to share? The whole concept of not asking questions is anachronistic with what is needed to conquer the racial and sexual divide. If this is what I am to stupid to understand - then I am happily so. Though - I think you're just helping my initial point.

Men wont give up power just cause they are feeling nice.

 

[IrezumiKiss]

"Any of that" being thinly veiled racism, sexism, and leaps of logic that defy common sense?

Show receipts on this so we can understand you better.

Coupled with the "we know better than you" attitude that fosters a "with us or against us" point of view that you seem to share?

Again, show receipts on this so we can understand you better.

The whole concept of not asking questions is anachronistic with what is needed to conquer the racial and sexual divide.

It's gonna take a whole lot more than just "asking questions" to turn racism and sexism around, but that's not what's actually happening here. Be prepared to not like the answers you receive, especially if they're not what you want to hear. Which is entirely possible given the barely-masked condescension in your OP.

 

[Brave Maximus]

What kind of work is that, brave maxipuss?

Ground level "Transitional Justice" - though I don't agree with the term. There's nothing transitional about this, more of an attempt to create a perminant system of fair and equal justice, regardless of an individuals identifying features.
And, I'm glad the maturity level of GB has stayed the same

Men wont give up power just cause they are feeling nice.

So, there's a few problems with this statement, and I think it shows the inherant problem with sites like that one.

One - it's not about "Giving up power" - it's about sharing power, equally. Sharing the responsibility, the decisions and reprocussions. It should be about equality not giving up of anything for another group to have. Equal representation in government, equal representation under the law, equal pay for equal work, etc.

Two - nothing given has value. Especially when given upon the whim of feelings. The reality is, particularly in the States, the system is messed up. It's tilted heavily to one side, and no, the people that hold the power won't just let it go. In that instance, it is up to the people to take it back through legislation and governmental reform. Here's the thing though... when you take an antagonistic approach with "all men have the power, all men want to keep women down, all men are scum and rapists and mysoginists, all men are pigs", then all men, including the vast majority who want to help and believe in equality, are forced to stand back and go "I want no part of this". Especially when you talk about taking their power away, not sharing the load. So instead of gaining alies against a flawed system, it becomes you against the world.... which isn't a fight anyone can win.
Which is the point I think you were trying to make.... just with less "men suck" attitude.


This is my fundimental problem with sites like everydayfeminism.com - instead of fostering community and including everyone to unite under a common goal, it fosters hate, anger and divisionism.... as well as just some really strange ideas.

 

[Hard_Rom]

LJ Reloaded will be here to explain it to you very shortly. He's big on feminism.

My suspicion is that he is here. Or a close relative in disguise.

 

[Brave Maximus]

Show receipts on this so we can understand you better.



Again, show receipts on this so we can understand you better.



It's gonna take a whole lot more than just "asking questions" to turn racism and sexism around, but that's not what's actually happening here. Be prepared to not like the answers you receive, especially if they're not what you want to hear. Which is entirely possible given the barely-masked condescension in your OP.

I assume by "show reciepts" you mean "show proof" or "back your facts up" - which, sure, as soon as I'm not on my tablet which cutting and pasting from sites is a giant pain in the ass (though still better than typing on my phone ).

Oh, I agree whole heartedly. However, the second you are afraid to ask question, to speak up about things that don't feel right, or sit right with you, the conversation is over and nothing will ever get accomplished. The first step in overcoming racism, sexism, bigotry in all it's forms is open dialogue. There is published research from San Francisco that Black people have stronger bones. From UWO that blacks and hispanics have lower IQ's and a greater proprensity for violence and crime. From Cambridge that women have a more delicate constitution and are prone to fainting confronted with serious matters. From the US Justice Department that Gays are more likely to comit rape than strait.
If we were not able to question things - then these would be taken as fact, instead of the absolute BULLSHIT that they are. They are based on faulty research, biased observation and bigoted hypothesis from the start. However, they have been published and were considered fact at one time (and... saddly, can still be seen quoted today).

Barely masked? I didn't think it was masked at all! I am absolutely contemptuous of any site, group, organization or individual that preports that their ideas are absolute and that questioning them means that you are obviously against them. Everydayfeminism and it's polar opposite returnofkings are hurting causes instead of helping them.
Of course I won't like some of what I hear! I'd be an idiot to expect that everything is rosey and sunshine. But I do want to attempt to understand, and failing that, at least discourse with someone who does undertand that point of view. Because, while I do not like everydayfeminism, at it's core, I hope anyway, are people who actually want to make a difference, and that's what's important.

As opposed to return of kings... who are just a bunch of morons and jackasses.

 

[Brave Maximus]

My suspicion is that he is here. Or a close relative in disguise.

Directed at me? Because I honestly don't know who LJ Reloaded is... I really haven't ventured into GB for a LONG time. I took lovecraft's comment as sarcasim.... so, I kind of ignored it.

 

[lovecraft68]

Directed at me? Because I honestly don't know who LJ Reloaded is... I really haven't ventured into GB for a LONG time. I took lovecraft's comment as sarcasim.... so, I kind of ignored it.

I was joking. Just look at the thread titles in the first page and you'll see LJ ranting about feminists and his hatred of them and women in general.

 

[Noor]

I only read one article there about appropriating Indian women's cultural things and while informative, I also found it a bit limited esp. when addressing the wearing of Mehndi (henna) by non south Asians.
Considering the wearing of henna has been practiced for over 5000 years in Pakistan, India, Africa and the Middle East, I do not think it should be limited to just south Asian weddings.
I wear henna on special occasions and after attending henna parties. Some are traditional far and middle eastern all women ones and others are in connection with belly dancing.
I am a mixture of a lot of cultures, including far eastern ones, but I don't have any problem with other people wearing henna if they feel like that, or blindi, tikki, or anything else.
I believe in the melting pot of the world, most things are appropriated from somewhere else than where we currently are anyway.

 

[NOIRTRASH]

Fuck the girls. My mission is getting in her pants, by hook or crook, or luck and pluck. She can take care of herself.

 

[KimGordon67]

It seems a little Women's Studies 101, but they look pretty well-intentioned.

Re: the 'we know better than you' issue ... I think we sort of need to take it for granted that women know how patriarchal social situations impact on women a little bit better than men do. Having said that, they impact on men too, and I'd expect men are probably better positioned to speak to that.

It can be helpful to remember that feminism is not 'a' thing - there's multiple different feminist approaches to pretty much everything, and we argue amongst ourselves ALL the time.

 

[lovetoread]

It can be helpful to remember that feminism is not 'a' thing - there's multiple different feminist approaches to pretty much everything, and we argue amongst ourselves ALL the time.

But but but.. the menz has to tell us what feminism is and how to be a feminist!

I think if he went to a radical Feminist site his head would explode.

 

[KimGordon67]

It's a little bit of a pity that some people STILL think that ALL (or even most) feminism is "an antagonistic approach with "all men have the power, all men want to keep women down, all men are scum and rapists and mysoginists, all men are pigs"." I'd hoped we'd moved on a little, but oh well.

 

[sybarite_1]

Fuck the girls. My mission is getting in her pants, by hook or crook, or luck and pluck. She can take care of herself.

You sweet talker you

 

[Lancecastor]

I had a look at the site and read the article about the mental health of babies.

What a steaming load of shit.

Hi,
I haven't ventured into GB since my first year on Lit.
However, this is one of the places where I might get an honest answer with no punches pulled.

Because of some work I've become involved in, I am now getting linked to this site (everydayfeminism.com) a few times a day.

I wish I could pretend it was satire... but I know it's not. They take themselves very seriously.
I know I'm about the exact opposite of it's target demographic....

But could someone A) Explain this site to me? Why it exists, how can they believe what they're saying, how they can expect any sort of positive change from what they're saying.... that sort of thing.
And B) What in the blue hell they are smoking?

Thanks

 

[lovecraft68]

It's a little bit of a pity that some people STILL think that ALL (or even most) feminism is "an antagonistic approach with "all men have the power, all men want to keep women down, all men are scum and rapists and mysoginists, all men are pigs"." I'd hoped we'd moved on a little, but oh well.

Look at a lot of the guys in the general board, this is why some feminists feel they can never move on.

The only popular women here who never get harassed by the men are the ones who show their tits and flirt all the time. Have a non revealing avatar and express strong opinions and you're a cunt.

 

[Lancecastor]

Look at a lot of the guys in the general board, this is why some feminists feel they can never move on.

The only popular women here who never get harassed by the men are the ones who show their tits and flirt all the time. Have a non revealing avatar and express strong opinions and you're a cunt.

Laura speaks on behalf of all women!

 

[BabblingBrooke]

Look at a lot of the guys in the general board, this is why some feminists feel they can never move on.

The only popular women here who never get harassed by the men are the ones who show their tits and flirt all the time. Have a non revealing avatar and express strong opinions and you're a cunt.

Understanding, of course, that feminism does not preclude women from wanting to show their bodies or receive compliments, right? That doing so does not at all mean that one defines her self-worth by her physical appearance? Slut-shaming is not feminism.

 

[Lancecastor]

Understanding, of course, that feminism does not preclude women from wanting to show their bodies or receive compliments, right? That doing so does not at all mean that one defines her self-worth by her physical appearance? Slut-shaming is not feminism.

I'd like to see more feminist underboob shots here.

 

[Wings]

Look at a lot of the guys in the general board, this is why some feminists feel they can never move on.

The only popular women here who never get harassed by the men are the ones who show their tits and flirt all the time. Have a non revealing avatar and express strong opinions and you're a cunt.

You are a miserable human. Just miserable.

Feminism doesn't mean not showing skin.It's easier to be free with yourself if you feel secure.

 

[SomeoneFamiliar]

Feminism is not seeking equality, it's seeking acknowledgment. Women are real. In whatever form they choose to be seen, they expect to be treated as valuable instead of a pair of tits and a couple holes.