"Feel The Bern" or "Ready for Hillary"?

[renard_ruse]

Hillary is more New Left (demographic oppression crap). Bernie is more Old Left (economic focused).

Both strains are bad. On a strictly ideological level, I have slightly less problem with the Old Left, and would reluctantly favor Sanders. The New Left is totally abhorrent and the cause of nearly all of our societal problems since the 1960s.

On the other hand, Sanders would cost me economically quite a bit from what I can tell. So, I would have to support Hillary I guess for strictly personal financial reasons.

I really don't know.

 

[Killswitch1]

You're right about that, but the way they see it is they're choosing the lesser of two evils. That's the impression I have.

Thats exactly why anyone who supports Bernie Sanders is uneducated and uninformed about the issues and his voting record and his entire plan.

In other words. People that support Bernie sanders are morons and shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Im so sick of people following "the buzz" candidate.

Out of all the people running for president, Sanders is the total worst person that could be elected.

I'd vote for Ted Cruz before I voted for Sanders and I am a lifelong Democrat.


This poll is also way off and does not reflect the real numbers.

More Republican gamesmanship I suspect.

 

[Killswitch1]

Hillary is more New Left (demographic oppression crap). Bernie is more Old Left (economic focused).

Both strains are bad. On a strictly ideological level, I have slightly less problem with the Old Left, and would reluctantly favor Sanders. The New Left is totally abhorrent and the cause of nearly all of our societal problems since the 1960s.

On the other hand, Sanders would cost me economically quite a bit from what I can tell. So, I would have to support Hillary I guess for strictly personal financial reasons.

I really don't know.

He also voted against Immigration Reform in 2007.

Besides trashing the financial system he is lame on immigration.

He's not even a democrat.

He's a socialist.

I'm convinced all these bubbleheads that support him think socialism is social media or socializing.

Fucking idiots I swear.

 

[toubab]

Thats exactly why anyone who supports Bernie Sanders is uneducated and uninformed about the issues and his voting record and his entire plan.

In other words. People that support Bernie sanders are morons and shouldn't be allowed to vote.

Im so sick of people following "the buzz" candidate.

Out of all the people running for president, Sanders is the total worst person that could be elected.

I'd vote for Ted Cruz before I voted for Sanders and I am a lifelong Democrat.


This poll is also way off and does not reflect the real numbers.

More Republican gamesmanship I suspect.

Are you saying you think the Republicans on this board gamed this poll? Seriously?

 

[Jose_Rick]

I don't think the average Democrat hates democracy, but the Party bosses certainly do. That's why superdelegates exist. Can't let the peasants run the Party.

If the GOP ends up with a brokered convention, they'll probably give serious thought to doing the same thing. The conventions are a showcase for the nominee now. There hasn't been a true brokered convention since 1948, and the last person to win the presidency coming out of a brokered convention was FDR.

Anyone who truly believes that someone could arrive at the convention without a lead in elected delegates but win with superdelegates need only look back as far as 2008. Obama was in exactly the same place as Sanders is at this point in the election cycle - holding his own at the ballot box but facing a massive deficit among the superdelegates. Those delegates all moved to Obama once it was clear that he had taken a decisive lead among elected delegates.

Superdelegates can push a candidate that has a plurality but not a majority over the top. That's the reason they exist. Elevating someone from second place to the nomination would be suicidal for the party, regardless of who the frontrunner might be.

 

[Killswitch1]

Are you saying you think the Republicans on this board gamed this poll? Seriously?

Well then the plus minus is 50 points.

Take your pick.

 

[toubab]

If the GOP ends up with a brokered convention, they'll probably give serious thought to doing the same thing. The conventions are a showcase for the nominee now. There hasn't been a true brokered convention since 1948, and the last person to win the presidency coming out of a brokered convention was FDR.

Anyone who truly believes that someone could arrive at the convention without a lead in elected delegates but win with superdelegates need only look back as far as 2008. Obama was in exactly the same place as Sanders is at this point in the election cycle - holding his own at the ballot box but facing a massive deficit among the superdelegates. Those delegates all moved to Obama once it was clear that he had taken a decisive lead among elected delegates.

Superdelegates can push a candidate that has a plurality but not a majority over the top. That's the reason they exist. Elevating someone from second place to the nomination would be suicidal for the party, regardless of who the frontrunner might be.

As I recall, the superdelegates who moved from Hillary to Obama moved late, 50 or so of them, after Obama had already amassed a huge lead among superdelegates, enough to put him over the top in total delegates needed to win the nomination. Also, it is not to be forgotten that Hillary had won a larger percentage of primary voters than Obama when she conceded in June, because he had amassed such an enormous lead in superdelegates.

 

[TheOlderGuy]

Curiously, both entrance and exit polls showed Bernie winning convincingly with Hispanics, something of a surprise, and somewhat less convincingly with whites, but getting absolutely destroyed by blacks. That's apparently how Hillary managed to gain a win in the delegate count, which is the only thing the Party officially reveals regarding how the individual "voting" went. Not a good sign for Bernie in South Carolina, where the majority of voters will be black.

Ironically, in South Carolina, the Republican suppression of black voters with their new photo ID law could become a factor.

 

[4est_4est_Gump]

Bern and his followers got ripped off again...

500 to 70 now.

 

[toubab]

Ironically, in South Carolina, the Republican suppression of black voters with their new photo ID law could become a factor.

You have as good a chance of winning South Carolina as Bernie does. Face it, Bernie's only chance of getting the nomination is if Hillary is indicted, and that might not be enough.

 

[BotanyBoy]

Ironically, in South Carolina, the Republican suppression of black voters with their new photo ID law could become a factor.

Are black voters prohibited from getting photo ID's? are they charged or made to do things that other races don't have to do to get them?


Ya think you can answer the question, what EXACTLY makes voter ID's anti black or anti minority?

 

[toubab]

Are black voters prohibited from getting photo ID's? are they charged or made to do things that other races don't have to do to get them?


Ya think you can answer the question, what EXACTLY makes voter ID's anti black or anti minority?

We've had photo ID for voting in my state for several years now, and black people seem to be managing to vote anyway. Clever black people here.

 

[urguyscott]

Let's see the Democratic party is dead which is too bad. You have three anti Constitution anti human rights candidates (I would say to choose from but so far you have seen how crooked the primaries are so what the people want isn't important) Trump who is the fool the republicans have fallen for. He can't take any pressure and if you say something about him he throws a little fit, but if you pat him on the butt like the dictator of Russia did he calls you a great person. He is only in as a cross over candidate who is a close friend of Hillary. Bernie is a full blown communists who isn't smart enough to see what Communism does to a country. Name one country that has made that system work. And then you have good old Hillary. What they call down in Arkansas "trailer trash". Not smart, corrupt, and full of beans. A thief and liar and traitor who cares nothing for women's rights.

Then you have the slaves and fools who back them. Blacks who say they care for black candidates but who really only care for Masters who will provide them with free things like they use to get on the plantation. Hillary and Bernie can do that. Hillary has her own plantation, called Haiti. If they really cared that "black voters count" they would be backing the Doctor and women would be backing the female candidate on the Republican side because she is more for true women's rights. But again fools go were fools belong.

Besides being slaves to the Chinese and Russians can be a good thing. Just ask the people of Tibet and the Ukraine. You don't have to worry about making money, only the party royalty is rich, don't have to worry about education, only the party royalty is allowed to go to college, the rest are told where and what they will be doing. You don't have to worry about free speech, press, or unions. They don't even exist. Just like the unions in Nevada the politicians tell you when and where you can work as long as you obey them and pay your dues and they tell you how to vote, etc.

Yes life will be so much better being a slave then being free and having rights. Look at education. Teachers don't even know how to teach students in the lower grades how to write or do math any more. Education is a bad thing to waste on slaves. It makes them want to think for themselves. Not a good idea. So lets all stuff the ballot boxes and elect Masters who will give us shinny things. And don't think I am for the Republicans. They aren't any smarter and most are just copper heads who prefer to be slaves too. The honest candidates the RNC makes sure are out of the race.

 

[BotanyBoy]

We've had photo ID for voting in my state for several years now, and black people seem to be managing to vote anyway. Clever black people here.

I'm a minority and I have 2 federal and a state ID....I didn't fill have to do anything extra for any of them over the white guys holding the same ID's either.


No matter how many times I ask not a single fucking liburhul ever is able to explain how voter ID in and of it self is racist but they all swear up and down that it is!!

 

[doctor_insanus]

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[renard_ruse]

Sanders got almost 48% of the vote in Nevada yesterday. Reading the headlines I got the impression Hillary blew him away. She was supposed to take Nevada easy.

 

[renard_ruse]

Division between white and non-white Gen Y/Z youth

The Sanders vs. Hillary race is interesting for the fact it is highlighting a major divergence between younger whites and those of other races.

While younger whites are more left leaning than they were a generation ago, they prefer Sanders by a wide margin.

Non-white youth, especially blacks, are supporting Clinton (ironically they favored her opponent 8 years ago). Hispanic youth favor Clinton but not in as wide a margin, which is normal, as they are in between whites and blacks on most issues.

Younger whites are gravitating toward a Euro style Social Democratic program, while other youth mostly support the divisive demographic left emphasis.

Will this divide eventually split the Democratic party in a few years?

 

[BotanyBoy]

Sanders got almost 48% of the vote in Nevada yesterday. Reading the headlines I got the impression Hillary blew him away. She was supposed to take Nevada easy.

(D) wants that to be true so bad they can't help but try and peddle it as such. Notice all the establishment super-delegates are standing firm with Hillary because fuck democracy and fuck the (D) voter....that's how the DNC does things.

While younger whites are more left leaning than they were a generation ago, they prefer Sanders by a wide margin.

Because Hillary (R)odham Clinton is a fucking republican.

 

[Hypoxia]

Will this divide eventually split the Democratic party in a few years?

Parties ain't what they used to be. They ain't been since 1796 or thereabouts, and they get transformed every few years, whenever there's a communications revolution.

Fairly cheap newsprint fueled the Jacksonian restructuring. Telegraph killed the Whigs. Photogravure empowered muckrakers and TR-era progressives. FDR's use of radio switched GOPs into reactionaries and Dems into liberals. TV blew-out the convention paradigm. The Web turned fund-raising retail, out of the hands of party bosses. And smartfones have destroyed media monopolies.

I PREDICT: We will still see Delaware-based corporations called the Republican and Democratic National Committees in the future. They won't mean much. Candidates will call themselves Independent but still seek *some* support from the party offices. Everything will fall apart. We are doomed. Send me your money.