The hair apparent

[Ewobbit]

Ok, so the wife was watching "that show" again. And I heard Whoopi bashing women depilating the pubic region. Naturally, my first thought was when in her autobiography she admitted in the first few pages to going down on herself. My second was of Ted doing blackface at her roast and her claiming to have put him up to it.

But, then I stood there and thought about what she (and the rest of the women) were saying, that removing the hair there is an effort to look young, as in "attract pedophiles" young, in the porn industry.

I've had a few days since to think about it and I'm scratching my head even harder.

Men depilate their faces and the backs of their necks and, apparently, now even pull out the hedge trimmers on their chests, armpits, legs. Even the eyebrows aren't safe as there is tweezing going on in some dark corners.

Women, on the other hand, have been going at any hair other than the crowns of their heads for decades. A bathroom with a female over the age of thirteen generally looks like a science experiment gone horribly wrong from my experience with lip hair removal creams, arm pit hair removal creams, leg hair removal creams, and of course the various creams to take care of the chemical burns from the removal creams. (Not to mention various make-ups and make-up removal paraphernalia.)

So, none of the rest of that has the same effect? How is writing a story where her fingers caressed his smooth cheek as they broke from a kiss any different than "his fingers caressed her smooth, hairless mound as he lifted his lips from her sweet pussy"?

Just what am I missing that a smooth shaved pussy, or a "landing strip" at the most, is somehow indicative of underage when all the rest isn't? Seriously, I just thought it was a "beauty regimen" thing. So, I guess I have to write my characters with a thick brush of curls now? And God help me if I write about the American Indian Princess (Choctaw) that I knew since it was my understanding that she was naturally smooth at forty.

 

[SecondCircle]

I similarly have never understood this.

Could shaving not just be a thing of personal preference? Some like the hair, some don't, that kind of thing?

I've balked at a thread here before when claims of bare pubic areas make the person look infantile somehow.

Why is that someone's first thought? Does that not say more about the person that assumes as much?

 

[NotWise]

But, then I stood there and thought about what she (and the rest of the women) were saying, that removing the hair there is an effort to look young, as in "attract pedophiles" young, in the porn industry.

I don't think that looking prepubescent has anything to do with it -- especially when you're talking about men and women who are otherwise well endowed and clearly mature. I think it's aesthetic. Some men like looking at feminine details that would otherwise be obscured. I think women like men without body hair as well, though I'm not sure why.

But then to some men, women's body hair is something of a fetish.

Hair removal by young people of both genders seems to be common these days. I read a couple studies of it in college-age people. Both studies found about the same thing. It was done to some degree by a majority of men and women, and was more likely to be done by someone who recently received oral sex.

The Romans, Greeks and Egyptians all practiced hair removal to one degree of another. I think that keeping body hair in European culture actually comes from the Christian tradition that "We're perfect as God made us." There isn't much other reason to do it.

 

[GoldenMaia]

I dated a guy who told me he wanted me to shave off all the hair so I looked like a little girl.

I think some men want it like that. Some women also want a baby face. Sometimes facial hair removal for men is work related....say if you are a chef or whatever. We are all slaves to what society claims is right.

I am more of a bear lover myself because a man should look like a man....not a boy or a little girl. (I hate that shave chest thing.)

Few people insult a man with a lumberjack beard but god forbid a woman wants a 70's bush.

 

[Bramblethorn]

The Romans, Greeks and Egyptians all practiced hair removal to one degree of another. I think that keeping body hair in European culture actually comes from the Christian tradition that "We're perfect as God made us." There isn't much other reason to do it.

There are a couple of bits in the Arabian Nights that talk about making depilatories with arsenic. Probably not a good idea!

 

[lovecraft68]

Goldberg is an idiot wrapped up as a moron wearing a mask of stupidity.

Maybe if she thinks no hair down there would attract a pedophile that means that's how she thinks

 

[YDB95]

Shameless plug: my April Fools story will be about just this. Stay tuned.

 

[NotWise]

There are a couple of bits in the Arabian Nights that talk about making depilatories with arsenic. Probably not a good idea!

Maybe, maybe not. It might be possible to use arsenic for some positive effects. There was (and might still be, as far as I know) a secretive peasant cult in Austria called "arsenic eaters" that believed there were positive benefits to eating arsenic.

Arsenic was once widely used in medicine and cosmetics. The article here contains some interesting information, including this quotation from an early report about the Styrian (in Tyrol, I think) arsenic-eaters.

But the Styrian peasant-girl, stirred by an unconsciously growing attachment - confiding scarcely to herself her feelings, and taking counsel of her inherited wisdom only - really adds, by the use of hidri [arsenic], to the natural graces of her filling and rounding form, paints with brighter hues her blushing cheeks and tempting lips, and imparts a new and winning lustre to her sparkling eye. Every one sees and admires the reality of her growing beauty: the young men sound her praises, and become suppliants for her favour. She triumphs over the affections of all, and compels the chosen one to her feet.

Thus even cruel arsenic, so often the minister of crime and the parent of sorrow, bears a blessed jewel in its forehead, and, as a love-awakener, becomes at times the harbinger of happiness, the soother of ardent longings, the bestower of contentment and peace!

 

[Ewobbit]

Maybe, maybe not. It might be possible to use arsenic for some positive effects. There was (and might still be, as far as I know) a secretive peasant cult in Austria called "arsenic eaters" that believed there were positive benefits to eating arsenic.

Arsenic was once widely used in medicine and cosmetics. The article here contains some interesting information, including this quotation from an early report about the Styrian (in Tyrol, I think) arsenic-eaters.

Wait, wait, wait.

Did I read that right? She used arsenic as a topical solution to make her boobs grow?

 

[YDB95]

I similarly have never understood this.

Could shaving not just be a thing of personal preference? Some like the hair, some don't, that kind of thing?

Absolutely, yes! Here's what you might be missing if you're not a fan of full, natural bushes like I am: the intolerance for bare pussies that you're seeing is a backlash. A counterattack, even. For a very long time now, women with big bushes have been made to feel unfeminine and even disgusting, and men who are attracted to them often learn not to say so unless we want to put up with a lot of disbelieving "How can you like THAT?!" kind of thing. Years of that does put you on the defensive, and make you want to hit back.

I do agree that it's really not right to accuse anyone who likes the shaven look of being a pedophile, but I do understand the resentment that's causing it in the first place.

So, I guess I have to write my characters with a thick brush of curls now?

No, you don't have to, because I've already written plenty of them.

 

[redzinger]

Shameless plug: my April Fools story will be about just this. Stay tuned.

Shameless plug: I've already done one.

https://www.literotica.com/s/the-mayor-of-bayswaters-daughter

Though it didn't do too well.

 

[le_kitty]

Yep, its been pretty thorough examined by everyone here. I might also add that for some women, it's a comfort thing beyond the aesthetic. Once someone has shaved a few times, having hair grow out there can get insanely itchy if not removed.

 

[Bramblethorn]

Maybe, maybe not. It might be possible to use arsenic for some positive effects. There was (and might still be, as far as I know) a secretive peasant cult in Austria called "arsenic eaters" that believed there were positive benefits to eating arsenic.

Arsenic was once widely used in medicine and cosmetics. The article here contains some interesting information, including this quotation from an early report about the Styrian (in Tyrol, I think) arsenic-eaters.

Indeed it was, but people have used some horrendous things in cosmetics and medicine over the years; some people still poison their kids with lead oxide as a folk remedy, and there was a French company that specialised in radium-based cosmetics. I'd need more than anecdotal evidence to convince me that the supposed health benefits were anything more than a placebo, and I don't think anybody was studying cancer rates among arsenic eaters.

(Well, okay, eating arsenic does help build up an immunity against attempts to poison you with arsenic, but that's a pretty specialised benefit.)

 

[Ewobbit]

Makes perfect sense to me.

That's what had me so puzzled. I couldn't really see just what difference it made whether I wrote a woman with a full, untouched brush of pubic hair or trimmed or clean shaven as far as her age went. Her characterization maybe, together with other clues, but even there I wouldn't have guessed "wants to be young".

As far as the itching, I haven't been able to shave my own face (or neck) for a couple of years now (hands too shaky) and when this thing started growing out I thought I was literally going to go insane from the itching. I gouged bloody furrows in my cheeks at one point. I can just imagine.

 

[redzinger]

I've shaved once down there. Never again. *shudders*

I'll stick to trimming & epilation.

 

[SamScribble]

I've shaved once down there. Never again. *shudders*

I'll stick to trimming & epilation.

Many, many, many years ago, I had a lady friend who, when grumpy with the world, would give herself a pubic crewcut. For the next week or so, it was like making love to a porcupine - a loveable porcupine, but a porcupine nevertheless.

 

[NaokoSmith]

(Well, okay, eating arsenic does help build up an immunity against attempts to poison you with arsenic, but that's a pretty specialised benefit.)

I think eating arsenic was also good for your skin and hair. I believe one community of people would feed it to their horses to make them glossy magnificent beasts? (I read this in a Dorothy Sayers novel - perhaps not the most reliable source )

Another shameless plug! My blogpost reviewing some hair-y stories. They both happen to be Welsh ... I don't know if that means anything.

 

[redzinger]

Many, many, many years ago, I had a lady friend who, when grumpy with the world, would give herself a pubic crewcut. For the next week or so, it was like making love to a porcupine - a loveable porcupine, but a porcupine nevertheless.

Hah! Exactly this. But I'd be pricking myself too. And it made me even more grumpy.

 

[Ewobbit]

Hah! Exactly this. But I'd be pricking myself too. And it made me even more grumpy.

There's a prick joke there somewhere... but I'm too afraid to touch it.

 

[NaokoSmith]

There's a prick joke there somewhere... but I'm too afraid to touch it.

I'm never afraid of little pricks

My friend super MILF told me her best lover was a guy with a small dick, incidentally. He was a drummer in a band, so he still had to show off his big sex drive of course, and therefore he became very inventive to make up for being lesser endowed in physique as opposed to imagination.

(Toria, I owe you an email - have been bogged down in teaching preparation. Will reply soon - I promise not too long after you Welsh have further crushed our ragged Scottish ambitions to avoid the wooden spoon this year )

 

[redzinger]

There's a prick joke there somewhere... but I'm too afraid to touch it.

I'm never afraid of little pricks

I set 'em up, you knock 'em out of the pack.

 

[TxRad]

In my long and sorted past, I have had the pleasure to observe, groom, and manicure numerous ladies lawns, shall we say. Some have been wild jungles that I should have had a machete handy to make the exploring easier. Some have been manicured lawns that drew the eyes to the central attractions. Some had landing strips, some had arrows pointing the way, some had wild forests above the slickly groomed playground below. Some have been completely slick, not a hair in sight.

So which is better? All of the above of course.

I learned a few things along the way. Clearing a jungle can be fun. It can also send the lady up a wall the first time a tongue is applied to the newly bared skin. Oils make for smoother less irritated skin than soap and water. A small beard trimmer can become a sex toy very quickly.

Hair or no hair is a personal decision. Having someone else trim or shave it is or can be very exciting for both people involved.

Ah yes, the pleasures of being a dirty old man.

 

[DwellerDark]

I like the hair. All the women in my stories so far have pubic hair, and I intend to keep it that way because I like it.

However, it's a matter of personal preference and I generally don't care one way or another because I've rarely ever seen a vagina I didn't think was beautiful, fuzzy or not. I don't make the connection between shaved vulvas and "youth" or anything like that. That's an old, lazy accusation used by people who want to "win" an argument without actually doing any thinking.

What I have a problem with is when men demean women when the women don't shave it.

 

[Asbel]

I agree that shaving a bush has nothing to do with pedophilia. To be honest, I personally believe that the porn industry encourages shaved bush because you can see everything better. It's also far more sanitary, as it discourages the transmission of crabs.

You ever notice most dudes in the porn industry have shaved pubes too? No one ever mentions that. Pedophilia, my ass.

I could share personal experience, but I'll just go ahead and state that going down on a chick is way better when I don't have a mouthful of hair to dig through.

 

[Ewobbit]

Ok, now shit is getting just too weird. Even for me.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkin

So, this is like "a thing" now? Seriously?

Some days I realize I am just too fucking old.

Although, I do grant this has possibilities.