Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters in Oregon

[Pookie]

Finicum's vehicle comes to a stop in the snow @ 9:18 and by 9:21 he's out of his vehicle with both hands high in the air with the feds having him fully in their gun sights.

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Then at about 9:29, another figure appears to Finicum's left and shoots Finicum dead at 9:33 - that figure was quite obviously pre-positioned in the tree line 25-30 yards from the "roadblock".

Finicum was renowned for carrying a rifle and his weapon holstered on his right hip, and what makes me highly doubt the FBI's scenario of the shoot is 1) they weren't the ones to shoot him, even though they had him totally covered, and 2) their "version" is that Finicum had a 9mm in his "jacket pocket"...

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http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2016/01/29/04/30AEE90100000578-0-image-a-9_1454041476103.jpg

 

[Disgustipated]

He jumped from the car, possibly aggressively, threw his hands up frantically and reached for what could be a weapon.

 

[Pookie]

He jumped from the car, possibly aggressively, threw his hands up frantically and reached for what could be a weapon.

He did collapse at near free-fall speed. It's like he had thermite in his coat or something.

 

[phrodeau]

He did collapse at near free-fall speed. It's like he had thermite in his coat or something.

It was obviously a magic bullet.

 

[Pookie]

It was obviously a magic bullet.

There's no such thing as a magic bullet.

Everyone knows the bullet was remote controlled.

 

[Disgustipated]

There's no such thing as a magic bullet.

Everyone knows the bullet was remote controlled.

It was a drone strike, ya silly girl.

It will be interesting to see the burn pattern regarding your thermite comment.

 

[Pookie]

It was a drone strike, ya silly girl.

It will be interesting to see the burn pattern regarding your thermite comment.

Nobody has yet explained the warm pools of liquid underneath Finicum after he finished falling. The Government sure isn't talking about it. What do they have to hide?

 

[phrodeau]

There's no such thing as a magic bullet.

Everyone knows the bullet was remote controlled.

Shows what you know.

http://magicbulletmini.com/img/product-set.jpg

 

[Pookie]

Shows what you know.

http://magicbulletmini.com/img/product-set.jpg

How convenient.

 

[Sean]

Looks to me that the cop that shot Finicum was stood on some kind of grassy hillock or knoll.

 

[Pookie]

Looks to me that the cop that shot Finicum was stood on some kind of grassy hillock or knoll.

Notice how he disappeared in that third image. Was he beamed up to the mothership as soon as he pulled the trigger?

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Remember, the second group of vehicles was the backup roadblock in case any of the terrorists tried to flee --- which they did. So, it's fully reasonable they were partially out of sight.

 

[OjosMojo]

http://www.fronterasdesk.org/sites/default/files/field/image/2016/01/Finicum.GIF

And that's the FBI's fault: if they would've just reported Finicum was reaching inside his jacket for a shoulder holstered weapon, I could've have easily seen that. But "jacket pocket"?

Nope. No way.

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[Five_Inch_Heels]

Were you there? No? Didn't think so.

When some trigger happy street cop pops a guy with a cell phone or hose nozzle, I'll be calling for their badge.

When a Trooper whacks a known terrorist during a felony stop who was known to be armed and had sworn not to be taken alive, I'll defer to the Trooper.

 

[Smootg103]

Here's the 26:28 official FBI-released video of the incident:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ

You can see the white Finicum vehicle stops @ about :50 into it in response to the law's attempt to pull him over; Finicum and the other occupants stay in the vehicle and the law does not advance - this the way the situation stays for roughly the next 7 minutes until, @ about the videos 8:15 mark, Finicum decides to take off.

Ride along between the wheel as Finicum for a minute as you steer away down straights and through curves and then, out of nowhere in the middle of a curve (where no sane person would set up a "roadblock"), while you're still at speed, you instantly encounter vehicles blocking the road (9:13 in the video)...

...you're driving - what's your natural reaction?

The families of those law enforcement officers should be thanking Finicum for swerving instantly as he did instead of plowing into them like he would have if he was intent on doing any damage at all.

Finicum's vehicle comes to a stop in the snow @ 9:18 and by 9:21 he's out of his vehicle with both hands high in the air with the feds having him fully in their gun sights.

http://tftppull.freethoughtllc.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/lavoy-finicum-shooting.jpg

Then at about 9:29, another figure appears to Finicum's left and shoots Finicum dead at 9:33 - that figure was quite obviously pre-positioned in the tree line 25-30 yards from the "roadblock".

Finicum was renowned for carrying a rifle and his weapon holstered on his right hip, and what makes me highly doubt the FBI's scenario of the shoot is 1) they weren't the ones to shoot him, even though they had him totally covered, and 2) their "version" is that Finicum had a 9mm in his "jacket pocket"...

I know of absolutely no one besides a total amateur (or an FBI scenerio) who carries a 9mm in their "jacket pocket" - Finicum most assuredly never did.

Instead, instinctively swerving to avoid the ambush and saving lives, instantly emerging from his vehicle with hands fully up, the feds with him dead to rights in their sights, I like to imagine him reaching for what was more logically inside his jacket pocket: a personal copy of the Constitution to hold up as his defensive weapon for dramatic effect.

And that's the FBI's fault: if they would've just reported Finicum was reaching inside his jacket for a shoulder holstered weapon, I could've have easily seen that. But "jacket pocket"?

Nope. No way.

ahaha he hits the cop wit da truck and they waste his redneck ass lol

 

[Borscht]

XXXXXX

 

[snugglestruggle]

Is there proof she was even at the park? In the car? Witnessed? Hands up, don't shoot? Can't breath?

She was detained by the FBI, interviewed and released (not charged). So yeah she was there in the car when this went down.

Here is a shorter account , its about 1:30 long.http://forum.literotica.com/newreply.php?do=postreply&t=1267004

She says clearly his hands were in the air when they shot him and shot him 3 more times when he was on the ground. Decide for yourself what to believe.

It's not a matter of believing the FBI video. It's a matter of watching it and drawing conclusions. I watched it and I noticed the guy didn't keep his hands raised in the air like the second occupant of the car did. His hands seemed to stray once or twice toward his jacket where later a gun was found. That's about it. Without clearer video and any audio, it's hard to tell anything more for sure.

Eyewitness who are affiliated with the person shot aren't unbiased. That must be weighed in as well.

Or are you suggesting the video was completely fabricated? That's a possibility too, but if so I think they'd do a better job of exonerating themselves.

I'm not suggesting anything other than with these kind of events the early info is often wrong because the "news" sensationalizes everything for ratings. Plus the government is not above lying to cover it's ass. I'm willing to entertain the truth lies somewhere in between.

I watched the FBI video and I cant see him reaching for his pocket. I think Finicum wanted to be a martyr & there were some cowboys in the LEO ranks that thought they were defending the "Homeland" from terrorist.

The way this went down, it is reminiscent of Ruby Ridge which is something as a nation we don't need another right now. The Militia people acted stupid so did LEO.

I do have 1 question though, why would he be carrying a pistol in his pocket? Here is a photo of him carrying 2 pistols. A revolver on his hip and a semi auto in a shoulder rig.

http://libertynews.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/Screen-Shot-2016-01-29-at-2.35.07-PM.png
Why would he carry a gun in a pocket where it would be unsecured?

 

[phrodeau]

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Why would he carry a gun in a pocket where it would be unsecured?

So he could get at it easily from behind the wheel.

 

[snugglestruggle]

So he could get at it easily from behind the wheel.

This post brings a couple possibilities to mind...

1) You've been watching too many Police shows on TV.

2) Know basically nothing ( I'm being very generous) about carrying a pistol while driving.

My Money is on #2

 

[OjosMojo]

Why would he carry a gun in a pocket where it would be unsecured?

He wouldn't, nor would any person who is experienced in and serious about practical personal protection carry.

Not one.

That's objectively inarguable.

 

[phrodeau]

This post brings a couple possibilities to mind...

1) You've been watching too many Police shows on TV.

2) Know basically nothing ( I'm being very generous) about carrying a pistol while driving.

My Money is on #2

I know how to dress for winter in Oregon. That photo of him is not how he was dressed when he was shot.

 

[Que]

I know how to dress for winter in Oregon. That photo of him is not how he was dressed when he was shot.

A shoulder rig is specifically designed for carry under a . . . coat.

 

[sigh]

Did the FBI say he was going for his pocket? I didn't catch that. All I said was that his hands came partway down more than once, and his hand appeared to stray toward his jacket. Since both of his guns (assuming he was wearing them as in the photo) would have been under his jacket, that's relevant. I can't say for sure, though, that his hands were going for his jacket. It just appeared so to me. For certain his hands were not kept high up all the time.

I don't think the video is all that telling either way.

Regardless, he was involved in criminal activity and didn't follow instructions when arrested. That's not a smart thing to do when you're surrounded by people with badges and guns. Especially when they KNOW you are armed and have already expressed a willingness to die rather than be arrested. Which is why I told my little tale about my encounter with people with badges and guns. I'm here to tell that tale because I wasn't stupid enough to not do what they said.

 

[sigh]

So why was is this outsider from Arizona suddenly a hero? There was a lot of valid criticism about outsiders stirring up things in Ferguson, but now the same people who complained bitterly about outside agitators in Missouri are lionizing these outsiders who came to Oregon to do just that.

Just wondering where the logic went.

 

[Que]

So why was is this outsider from Arizona suddenly a hero? There was a lot of valid criticism about outsiders stirring up things in Ferguson, but now the same people who complained bitterly about outside agitators in Missouri are lionizing these outsiders who came to Oregon to do just that.

Just wondering where the logic went.

The flip side of that is equally true. Those screaming loudest about the rioters having every right to "protest" suddenly were calling for and being pleased with getting a violent response.