Militia takes over Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters in Oregon

[Five_Inch_Heels]

drive up with a big fucking piece of armour, point a 125mm high velocity piece of ordinance at them and wait for them to blink or twitch

no more armed insurrection

There are supposed to be some Paiute artifacts there so, Ka-Fucking-BOOM!!! may not be a good idea.

 

[OjosMojo]

And he DID make the claim that Finicum was unjustly shot...

Quoted for, you know, flat-out lying.

 

[Hard_Rom]

You cast your vote at the polling station and if it don't go your way you suck it up like an adult. Or move to a country which condones armed insurrection. (only one country I know of that hand holds and molly-coddles armed insurrectionist). Unless you live in one that already does. Not a very democratic, civilized or advanced country if armed thugs can take over government apparatus.

 

[VaticanAssassin]

Eyer is eyesore, playgrounder. And he DID make the claim that Finicum was unjustly shot, although you said no one did.

So are they both shooting the same? Or was Michael Brown more deserving because he was "a worse person and a bigger criminal"? How was he a bigger criminal? How are these related at all? Where did I celebrate Finicum's death?

I said:

"Brown was legally shot. It appears this guy was as well. No one says he wasn't so far and I certainly have not. So trying to make that argument puts you in the stupid category."

Are you fucking retarded? Serious question. I am truly starting to think you are.

Eeyore is no one. He certainly is not a news source. You are the fucking moron that suggested I thought he was not legally shot, despite the fact I never said that or brought it up. It would be impossible for me to backpedal from a potion I never took you nut case. You make that up based on something eyeor says? WOW~!!!

.

 

[Aglaopheme]

It is odd. The comments I see here are more disgusting then anything BB or James said about Brown. Yet, they are being made by the same people who cried and bitched when he was a shot.

By all accounts a worse person and bigger criminal then this guy.

Way to keep it classy you tolerant, examples of political sheep!!!

Care to explain how Brown was "a worse person and a bigger criminal?

Care to show where I said you thought he was not justly shot? I never did.

You said no one claimed that:

Brown was legally shot. It appears this guy was as well. No one says he wasn't so far and I certainly have not. So trying to make that argument puts you in the stupid category

When in fact someone did. That happened

You celebrate someones death and speak of class?


Neither death deserves to be celebrated. That in itself makes you a disgusting piece of shit.

But to celebrate one while bitching about the other not only make you a disgusting piece of shit, but a political sheep and hypocrite as well.

Congratulations!!!

Where did I celebrate his death? Oh yeah, that didn't happen.

It's okay, reading comprehension is not for everyone.

 

[OjosMojo]

And he DID make the claim that Finicum was unjustly shot...

It's okay, reading comprehension is not for everyone.

Preach it to yourself, playgrounder!

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Where did I celebrate his death?

I did. Just like some did for Bin Laden or Jihadi John or many other terrorists.

 

[M. Jordan]

http://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/01/27/feds-bundys-threatened-official-s-life.html

Nice bunch these guys are.

 

[Borscht]

XXXXXX

 

[thør]

FBI Video

 

[sigh]

Roughly 0.3% of adults identify themselves as transgender. That's roughly 700,000 people. Many have argued that such a small percentage does not deserve the attention and special considerations that they've received following the Bruce/Caitlyn affair. Why, it's been asked, does such a small percentage of our adult population deserve special privileges?

According to the BLM, 18,000 permits have been issued for ranching on public land.

 

[thør]

There are still 4 holding down the refuge building.

I say, wait til they run out of snacks.

 

[snugglestruggle]

FBI Video

Decide for yourself what to believe, the FBI video or the eyewitness account of Victoria Sharp who was in the vehicle when the shooting happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGkcdxyv1T8

 

[Disgustipated]

Decide for yourself what to believe, the FBI video or the eyewitness account of Victoria Sharp who was in the vehicle when the shooting happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGkcdxyv1T8

Is there proof she was even at the park? In the car? Witnessed? Hands up, don't shoot? Can't breath?

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

Decide for yourself what to believe, the FBI video or the eyewitness account of Victoria Sharp who was in the vehicle when the shooting happened.

ISIS members defend each other too.

 

[sigh]

Decide for yourself what to believe, the FBI video or the eyewitness account of Victoria Sharp who was in the vehicle when the shooting happened. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGkcdxyv1T8

It's not a matter of believing the FBI video. It's a matter of watching it and drawing conclusions. I watched it and I noticed the guy didn't keep his hands raised in the air like the second occupant of the car did. His hands seemed to stray once or twice toward his jacket where later a gun was found. That's about it. Without clearer video and any audio, it's hard to tell anything more for sure.

Eyewitness who are affiliated with the person shot aren't unbiased. That must be weighed in as well.

Or are you suggesting the video was completely fabricated? That's a possibility too, but if so I think they'd do a better job of exonerating themselves.

 

[Pookie]

There are still 4 holding down the refuge building.

I say, wait til they run out of snacks.

When the lube runs out, they'll surrender.

 

[Sean]

It's not a matter of believing the FBI video. It's a matter of watching it and drawing conclusions. I watched it and I noticed the guy didn't keep his hands raised in the air like the second occupant of the car did. His hands seemed to stray once or twice toward his jacket where later a gun was found. That's about it. Without clearer video and any audio, it's hard to tell anything more for sure.

Eyewitness who are affiliated with the person shot aren't unbiased. That must be weighed in as well.

Or are you suggesting the video was completely fabricated? That's a possibility too, but if so I think they'd do a better job of exonerating themselves.

Good job it wasn't an eleven year old black kid with a toy gun, then he wouldn't have even had the chance to put up his hands.

 

[sigh]

Good job it wasn't an eleven year old black kid with a toy gun, then he wouldn't have even had the chance to put up his hands.

I was in a circumstance once where I had two policemen draw their weapons and point them at me. I didn't even consider not raising my hands or doing what they said. It's not so much that I respected them as police (though there is some of that) but that they were pointing guns at me and I wanted to live through the encounter. If it came to it (and I'm happy to say it didn't) I trusted a judge more likely to keep more alive than those two at that moment.

 

[sigh]

There are still 4 holding down the refuge building.

I say, wait til they run out of snacks.

Seems like that would have been a good strategy from the start. How much food did they have squirreled away? Was the FBI allowing their supply line to remain intact? This could have ended through attrition.

I have a lot of respect for the local sheriff in this case. I think he did a great job, though I know he feels like he failed because it finally did end in bloodshed.

 

[Five_Inch_Heels]

because it finally did end in bloodshed.

It hasn't ended yet.

Yes, there should have been a much tighter stranglehold from day one - power cut-off, roads barricaded, etc. I'm not sure the Feds took this seriously enough initially though.

 

[sigh]

It hasn't ended yet.

Yes, there should have been a much tighter stranglehold from day one - power cut-off, roads barricaded, etc. I'm not sure the Feds took this seriously enough initially though.

No it hasn't; you're right. I should have said it came to bloodshed. Not ended. Thanks.

 

[OjosMojo]

Here's the 26:28 official FBI-released video of the incident:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAGxDWKrjPQ

You can see the white Finicum vehicle stops @ about :50 into it in response to the law's attempt to pull him over; Finicum and the other occupants stay in the vehicle and the law does not advance - this the way the situation stays for roughly the next 7 minutes until, @ about the videos 8:15 mark, Finicum decides to take off.

Ride along between the wheel as Finicum for a minute as you steer away down straights and through curves and then, out of nowhere in the middle of a curve (where no sane person would set up a "roadblock"), while you're still at speed, you instantly encounter vehicles blocking the road (9:13 in the video)...

...you're driving - what's your natural reaction?

The families of those law enforcement officers should be thanking Finicum for swerving instantly as he did instead of plowing into them like he would have if he was intent on doing any damage at all.

Finicum's vehicle comes to a stop in the snow @ 9:18 and by 9:21 he's out of his vehicle with both hands high in the air with the feds having him fully in their gun sights.

http://tftppull.freethoughtllc.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/lavoy-finicum-shooting.jpg

Then at about 9:29, another figure appears to Finicum's left and shoots Finicum dead at 9:33 - that figure was quite obviously pre-positioned in the tree line 25-30 yards from the "roadblock".

Finicum was renowned for carrying a rifle and his weapon holstered on his right hip, and what makes me highly doubt the FBI's scenario of the shoot is 1) they weren't the ones to shoot him, even though they had him totally covered, and 2) their "version" is that Finicum had a 9mm in his "jacket pocket"...

I know of absolutely no one besides a total amateur (or an FBI scenerio) who carries a 9mm in their "jacket pocket" - Finicum most assuredly never did.

Instead, instinctively swerving to avoid the ambush and saving lives, instantly emerging from his vehicle with hands fully up, the feds with him dead to rights in their sights, I like to imagine him reaching for what was more logically inside his jacket pocket: a personal copy of the Constitution to hold up as his defensive weapon for dramatic effect.

And that's the FBI's fault: if they would've just reported Finicum was reaching inside his jacket for a shoulder holstered weapon, I could've have easily seen that. But "jacket pocket"?

Nope. No way.

 

[Sean]

Finicum was renowned for carrying a rifle and his weapon holstered on his right hip, and what makes me highly doubt the FBI's scenario of the shoot is 1) they weren't the ones to shoot him, even though they had him totally covered, and 2) their "version" is that Finicum had a 9mm in his "jacket pocket"...

I know of absolutely no one besides a total amateur (or an FBI scenerio) who carries a 9mm in their "jacket pocket" - Finicum most assuredly never did.

.

http://www.fronterasdesk.org/sites/default/files/field/image/2016/01/Finicum.GIF

 

[Wrong Element]

It hasn't ended yet.

Yes, there should have been a much tighter stranglehold from day one - power cut-off, roads barricaded, etc. I'm not sure the Feds took this seriously enough initially though.

Since these folks were obviously ineffective loons, the decision was made to wait them out rather than create new martyrs. Case in point: David Koresh, a proven c***d m******r responsible for the killing of four ATF agents, but lionized as a modern day John the Baptist by the militia types.

But I'm not sure why they were allowed to come and go at will. That seems to be taking a decision not to escalate to ridiculous extremes. You're just inviting more of it in the future.